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Posted: 12/13/2006 7:51:16 AM EDT
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Hello, First I'd like to thank you all for the help, I have been lurking here and just finished my Stag Lower. It was alot easier then I thought it would have been. The instructions and advice I have found here is priceless. I am in the process of trying to find an upper, however I live in Southern California. My understanding is that I can not have bayonet Lugs or a flash hinder, so I am looking for an upper that is legal in So Cal. Also, I have been looking at the stag A3 flat top upper with a BUIS rear flip up sight and a 16" however I read that I should avoid the M4, why is that? Well i have alot of reading to do, I hope this is in the right section , if not sorry. Thanks. |
Last I checked bayo lugs and flash hiders were not banned in So Cal. all uppers are legal if they are 16". Question> How did you fix the Mag, or are you going with no grip? I'm searching now for the rule on the bayo lug / flash hider rule...but you should look for your own piece of mind. Never trust someone elses word. |
No grip, that's funny. 
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then you have to comply with the law for 2006 heres a cut and paste The term “assault weapon” also means any firearm that falls under one of the following definitions pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1: (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (B) A thumbhole stock. (C) A folding or telescoping stock. (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher. (E) A flash suppressor. (F) A forward pistol grip.(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches. (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer. (B) A second handgrip. (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel. (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip. (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (A) A folding or telescoping stock. (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip. (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine. 14 California Firearms Laws 2006 (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. The following definitions shall apply relative to defining assault weapons: (1) "Magazine" shall mean any ammunition feeding device. (2) "Capacity to accept more than 10 rounds" shall mean capable of accommodating more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds. (3) "Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured prior to January 1, 1899. The term “assault weapon” does not include any of the following: (1) Any antique firearm. (2) The following pistols sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes. (Penal Code § 12276.1.): MANUFACTURER MODEL CALIBER BENELLI MP90 .22LR BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG BENELLI MP95 .22LR BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG HAMMERLI 280 .22LR HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG PARDINI SP .22LR PARDINI SPE .22LR WALTHER GSP .22LR WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT (3) Any model of competitive pistol that would otherwise fall within the definition of “assault weapon” but has otherwise been expressly identified as exempt by the Department of Justice. The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the Department of Justice deems relevant. The current list of California Firearms Laws 2006 15 exempt pistols is available on the Firearms Division website at http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/op.pdf. (Penal Code § 12276.1.) The term “assault weapon” also means any firearm specified by the Department of Justice as an AK or AR-15 series weapon pursuant to Penal Code section 12276(e) and the California Supreme Court decision in Kasler v. Lockyer. As a result of this Penal Code section and court decision, all AK and AR-15 series rifles are assault weapons regardless of their characteristics. The Department of Justice maintains a roster of firearm makes and models which the Attorney General has identified as AK and AR-15 series weapons. The most current list is available on the DOJ website at http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/awguide. At the time of this printing, this list includes the following; That no grip thing may work for now...but keep watching the AG website. they are really focusing on nailing guys who are doing that. |
I used a kit called a Prince50 Mag lock kit. It replaces the release button with one that has an allen screw and it locks the mag down so it can not be removed with out use of a tool. Really? I was under the impression that Bayo lugs were illegal, I'll have to check again but I am pretty sure the flash suppressors ( are hinders and supperssors the same?) |
I see nothing about bayo lugs any more. a flash hider is only illegal if it divert the flash away from the shooters field of view. the AG is redefining capacity to accept to mean PERMANITY altered, so a allen screw locking the mag release will not due. they are now talking about welding the mag in place and/or riveting the mag onto the lower. |
But it is still legal to just lock it down for now right? I see you are in CA also, how did you make yours legal? |
My older ar-15s are registered. My newest is a Bushmaster top loader so its completely legal. Ya for now you can just lock out the mag release. I would keep an eye on the AG website for changes. Most think the new rules on Capacity to accept is only for listed lowers...dont assume anything. If your name and weapon come across the AG desk for any reason they will do what they can to screw you, even violate their own laws. It takes more time, effort and money on your part to defend yourself, so its no big deal to them. |
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