Warning

 

Close
Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Cancel Confirm
AR15.COM
AR Sponsor
12/8/2006 12:56:57 PM EDT
is it a bad idea to try and build an upper from parts for a first timer? how difficult is it?
12/8/2006 6:11:34 PM EDT
[#1]
If you are mechanically inclined and don't have an aversion to buying a few specialized tools, go ahead.
You will have the option to specifically use the parts you want without buying a complete upper and scrapping the un-wanted parts.
You will have the option of buying the parts a few at-a-time if you can't plop down the money all at once.
Buying the parts seperately IS likely going to cost more than buying a complete upper to start because there is more price competition on uppers than on parts.
There is certainly the pride of DIY in this as well and that's gotta be worth something.

When I built my first upper, I went all-out.
I bought a barrel extension.
I machined the barrel from a remington take-off barrel I was given.
I machined the barrel nut and freefloat handguard from aluminum remnants at work.
I machined the low profile gas block from aluminum remnants at work.

Not everyone would take the path I chose, but I did it just to see IF I could.





That first barrel still shoots pretty good:


12/8/2006 6:13:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Um Randall, that's farking nuts buddy

I think there's something to be said for getting your first AR assembled. Build the 2nd one. although it's not hard or anything.
12/8/2006 6:16:39 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Um Randall, that's farking nuts buddy


Wait, you thought for one moment that I was NOT nuts?
Had I not picked up that $5 barrel extension off the Knob Creek gun show table back in 98, I would certainly not be where I am now...
It was fate.
12/8/2006 6:18:56 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Um Randall, that's farking nuts buddy


Wait, you thought for one moment that I was NOT nuts?
Had I not picked up that $5 barrel extension off the Knob Creek gun show table back in 98, I would certainly not be where I am now...
It was fate.


No shit!?

How hard do you really think it is for an average guy to put together an upper without having any experience with an AR or having one to compare it with? I know a lot of guys build kit guns early on, but the uppers are together already.

edit also to be fair you obviously had experience with machining parts and so on so putting an upper together would not be as big a deal, I don't think-well not that it's that big a deal anyways, but it's not like you were Joe Slob with a panther claw, barrel a receiver and a bunch of parts staring at it with a big over your head.

edit-"Well I bought a barrel extension, so I might as well just machine the rest of it out of bar stock..."
12/8/2006 6:25:45 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
but it's not like you were Joe Slob with a panther claw, barrel a receiver and a bunch of parts staring at it with a big over your head.

edit-"Well I bought a barrel extension, so I might as well just machine the rest of it out of bar stock..."


Oh man would I have killed for a panther claw and a barrel wrench...
I ALSO made my own receiver block (actually really similar to what PRI sells) and pin-style barrel nut wrench for my freefloat tube's barrel nut.
THEN, I made the two spanner wrenches that tighten the handguard tube against the locknut on the barrel nut.
It's all very YHM-esque, but this was years before YHM was making handguards.
The ONLY things I bought for that upper were the gas tube, receiver, bolt carrier group, barrel extension and charging handle, basically the parts you CAN'T easily machine yourself.

The really funny thing is that I STILL use that barrel wrench sometimes.
12/8/2006 6:30:39 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
How hard do you really think it is for an average guy to put together an upper without having any experience with an AR or having one to compare it with? I know a lot of guys build kit guns early on, but the uppers are together already.


It would certainly be easier if you had a complete upper to compare against, but Falarak's BIY write-ups are pretty damn good.

I had never assembled an upper before I built the one above.
I did take some measurements from my first upper (a J&T), but that's it.
I got the barrel dimensions from the American Rifleman article on "upgrading to an HBAR barrel for competetion"
This article was published before the AR was even winning matches.
12/8/2006 9:17:31 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
is it a bad idea to try and build an upper from parts for a first timer? how difficult is it?


With a barrel nut wrench and an upper receiver block (and a decent bench vise) it is very easy. Read the tacked thread on barreling an upper. If you're planning on buying all new parts, you'll find it cheaper to buy an upper already assembled.
12/9/2006 9:03:10 AM EDT
[#8]
well i glanced through that tacked thread before but it doesnt make any mention of attaching the gas block or gas tube IIRC.
12/9/2006 10:07:09 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
well i glanced through that tacked thread before but it doesnt make any mention of attaching the gas block or gas tube IIRC.


The front sight base (gas block) will come already installed on the barrel.
The gas tube simple pushes into the front sight base and one roll-pin holds it there.
It's really so simple that no explanation is necessary if you had the parts in front of you and know which end of a hammer and punch to use.
12/9/2006 11:58:55 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How hard do you really think it is for an average guy to put together an upper without having any experience with an AR or having one to compare it with? I know a lot of guys build kit guns early on, but the uppers are together already.


It would certainly be easier if you had a complete upper to compare against, but Falarak's BIY write-ups are pretty damn good.

I had never assembled an upper before I built the one above.
I did take some measurements from my first upper (a J&T), but that's it.
I got the barrel dimensions from the American Rifleman article on "upgrading to an HBAR barrel for competetion"
This article was published before the AR was even winning matches.


You must of also have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express
12/9/2006 2:11:45 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
well i glanced through that tacked thread before but it doesnt make any mention of attaching the gas block or gas tube IIRC.


It doesnt?


3. Next, we need to knock out the roll pin that holds the gas tube into the front sight assembly.  The correct size if 5/64".  Try finding a 5/64" punch at your locl hardware store!.  Use a 1/16” punch.  I didn't have one that small, so I just used a really small drill bit to knock it out. It can be tapped out from either direction. Here is a close-up of the roll pin to knock out:



4. Once that is knocked out, you can remove the gas tube. Pull the tube from the front sight base into the upper receiver, until the tube can clear the front sight, then pull it forward to remove it. Sometimes they can be stubborn, and you might have to LIGHTLY grab the tube with a pair of pliers and tap the pliers rearward with a light hammer. Don’t crush the gas tube. If for any reason you damage it, they are cheap. Replace with a new one. Note the gas port on the tube faces down, and note the hole for the roll pin:




---SNIP---

11. Once that is done, you need to make sure that the hole in the spring and the snap ring is aligned so you can insert the gas tube. Insert the gas tube through the barrel nut, delta ring, and into the receiver. Then insert the other end into the front sight block:

12. Now, you can remove the upper from the vise. Tap the roll pin back into the front sight block to hold the gas tube in place. Install the handguards.

---SNIP---

Now we need to remove the FSB (front sight base) from the barrel. The pins in the FSB are typically tapered. This means they can only be removed one way. (I am told that RRA and LMT use straight pins, not tapered, so those should be even easier) Look on both sides of the FSB and determine which side of the pins is the SMALLER end. It should be the left side, and we will be knocking the pins out from left to right. NOTE - Stag Arms has been shipping uppers with FSB taper pins on the opposite side of most uppers - so be sure to examine your FSB!


---SNIP---

4.  Then, we will insert the gas tube into the LaRue gas block, and tap in the gas tube roll pin.  Once complete, slide the gas block on the barrel, as you insert the gas tube into the hole in the upper receiver.  Once you are happy with the alignment, lock BOTH the provided set screws down WITHOUT any locktite, and ensure you are happy with the alignment.  Then, remove ONE set screw, coat it with the provided locktite that came with the block, and reinstall.  Repeat for the second setscrew.




12/9/2006 7:23:45 PM EDT
[#12]
is the pin on the gas block the only thing that holds it in? there is nothing on the other end that needs to be done?
12/9/2006 7:24:53 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
is the pin on the gas block the only thing that holds it in? there is nothing on the other end that needs to be done?



4. Then, we will insert the gas tube into the LaRue gas block, and tap in the gas tube roll pin. Once complete, slide the gas block on the barrel, as you insert the gas tube into the hole in the upper receiver. Once you are happy with the alignment, lock BOTH the provided set screws down WITHOUT any locktite, and ensure you are happy with the alignment. Then, remove ONE set screw, coat it with the provided locktite that came with the block, and reinstall. Repeat for the second setscrew.


Does that answer your question?  I am not sure I fully understand what you are asking?  Hold the gas tube to the block, or hold the block to the barrel?
12/9/2006 7:25:38 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
1. is the pin on the gas block the only thing that holds it in?
2. there is nothing on the other end that needs to be done?


1. Yes
2. No
12/9/2006 7:36:52 PM EDT
[#15]
Tag for future reference.

I'm a graduate of the "Primitive Pete School of Gunsmithing"

Need all the help I can get.

Where's the part about proper use of duct tape, silicone seal and bailing wire?

ZM
12/9/2006 7:38:07 PM EDT
[#16]
yea i was just wondering if there is anything that needs to be done on the other end of the gas tube closer to the reciever like are there any pins on that end or anything.
12/9/2006 7:57:23 PM EDT
[#17]
Well...if you make a mistake how easy is it to wreck parts? When I was building my lower the worst thing that could happen was knocking off an unsuported piece of the reciever when knocking pins in, that was just a matter of being carefull though. How easy is it to make a stupid mistake like that when building an upper? How many things can go wrong?
12/9/2006 7:57:25 PM EDT
[#18]
i just read over your instructions more closely and its all there i think this dummy has figured it out. i just need to figure out what piece i want to build first. the upper or lower.
12/9/2006 8:54:16 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
How easy is it to make a stupid mistake like that when building an upper? How many things can go wrong?


Honestly - MUCH less.  The lower has so many opportunities to screw up... scratching the lower, launching pins, and snapping a trigger guard ear.

The upper is cake.  It is one nut.  Once you figure out how simple that one nut is.... well, there is nothing else to figure out.
AR Sponsor