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3/7/2005 5:14:13 PM EDT
I have been looking over lowers lately and seen many marked 5.56 only. What lowers besides Bushmaster are 5.56/.223? Sorry if its a silly question but I am planning a build and want to keep my options open and also want .223/5.56. Thanks


Denn
3/7/2005 5:18:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Are you asking which lowers will fire .223 or 5.56 ammo?

Or do you just want both numbers on your lower for some reason?
3/7/2005 5:45:49 PM EDT
[#2]
Should have clarified that. I would like to shoot both .223and 5.56. I dont what other lowers have that capability.
3/7/2005 5:48:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Makes no difference with the lower and usually no difference with the upper, only has to do with a slight casing shoulder difference.  Fire away if I'm wrong here, not  joe the expert.
3/7/2005 5:52:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Well since the only difference between 5.56 and .223 occurs during chambering, the lower plays no role in this at all.  It's just marketing.  Some people don't know they can shoot .223 in their 5.56 marked ARs I suppose.  

Don't shoot 5.56 in a .223 only marked weapon however.  I've never seen a .223 only AR upper, but I suppose there's one out there somewhere.

Don't worry about the lower, the markings on the barrel are what should concern you.  You want one that says 5.56 whether or not it mentions .223 doesn't matter.
3/7/2005 5:57:16 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Should have clarified that. I would like to shoot both .223and 5.56. I dont what other lowers have that capability.



Your lower will be capable of either 223/5.56 unless specifically stated, i.e. an ar10 lower.

The same lower can be used for 223, 5.56, 9mm, 6.8...
3/7/2005 7:21:55 PM EDT
[#6]
Yeah - the difference is in the barrel rifling and the designed pressure capacity of the chamber.  5.56 is a more powerful load than the .223 and the 5.56 is just a hair longer so there is more rifling removed to seat the bullet in the barrel.  So if the barrel says 5.56 or 5.56/.223 shoot whichever you get your hands on, if it says .223 then you run a risk with 5.56.

But - now I have a question for the more seasoned ARFCOMMERS - if I decide to get a 7.62 upper down the line, is there any difference that would make a 5.56 marked lower incompatible with that?  And what do youdo for mags - I've seen plenty of 6.8 mags advertised, but no 7.62s.  The versatility of this platform really plays to my difficulty to commit.  Guess I'm a 'typical man'
3/7/2005 9:16:48 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Yeah - the difference is in the barrel rifling and the designed pressure capacity of the chamber.  5.56 is a more powerful load than the .223 and the 5.56 is just a hair longer so there is more rifling removed to seat the bullet in the barrel.  So if the barrel says 5.56 or 5.56/.223 shoot whichever you get your hands on, if it says .223 then you run a risk with 5.56.

But - now I have a question for the more seasoned ARFCOMMERS - if I decide to get a 7.62 upper down the line, is there any difference that would make a 5.56 marked lower incompatible with that?  And what do youdo for mags - I've seen plenty of 6.8 mags advertised, but no 7.62s.  The versatility of this platform really plays to my difficulty to commit.  Guess I'm a 'typical man'



The lower will be fine.

You will have to basically get a complete upper w/bolt/carrier/charging handle that is made for 7.62x39. You will also have to try to find reliable 7.62 mags (rare and expensive because only Colt made good ones) but there are Frankenmags from DPMS.

WIZZO
3/8/2005 3:59:12 AM EDT
[#8]
any ar15 lower should work with either .223 or 5.56 since the chamber is the main issue


as long as it was meant for either 5.56 or .223 it should work fine
3/8/2005 6:56:29 AM EDT
[#9]
Yes, it is not the lower but the upper that determine the cal., .223/5.56, 7.62X39, 9MM, and so on.
3/8/2005 8:28:12 AM EDT
[#10]
I would like to thank everyone for the information. I know these may seem like stupid questions but the only way I'm gonna learn is to ask. Thanks again
3/8/2005 9:20:00 AM EDT
[#11]
.223 is a U.S. caliber size, 5.56mm is the NATO size (metric system) and they are the same. Just as .308 and 7.62mm Nato are the same.  6.8mm and 9mm use AR lowers with different uppers, but .223 and 5.56mm are one and the same. That fact that knowone else has told you this to this point blows my mind!
3/8/2005 9:26:22 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
.223 is a U.S. caliber size, 5.56mm is the NATO size (metric system) and they are the same. Just as .308 and 7.62mm Nato are the same.  6.8mm and 9mm use AR lowers with different uppers, but .223 and 5.56mm are one and the same.



WRONGO!!!!

They are very similar, to the point of being interchangeable in most cases. But they are not the same. Different specs alltogether. The lowers  for 5.56/.223 are one in the same, but the calibers are different.
3/8/2005 11:41:47 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
.223 is a U.S. caliber size, 5.56mm is the NATO size (metric system) and they are the same. Just as .308 and 7.62mm Nato are the same.  6.8mm and 9mm use AR lowers with different uppers, but .223 and 5.56mm are one and the same.



WRONGO!!!!

They are very similar, to the point of being interchangeable in most cases. But they are not the same. Different specs alltogether. The lowers  for 5.56/.223 are one in the same, but the calibers are different.



WRONGO!!!

There is so much wrong with most of the information posted above.... mostly because everyone's points, including yours, is incomplete.

People, spend a little time at the ammo-oracle.  www.ammo-oracle.com/


The *caliber* is the same.  Caliber describes the projectile size, which is the same.  

The *dimensions* of the loaded cartridge is the same.  From the oracle:


Dimensionally, 5.56 and .223 ammo are identical, though military 5.56 ammo is typically loaded to higher pressures and velocities than commercial ammo and may, in guns with extremely tight "match" .223 chambers, be unsafe to fire.



Therefore, the AMMO is identical is size... just a higher spec for the powder charge/pressure of the NATO spec 5.56 ammunition.... and you will typically see crimped primers, sealed primer and bullets, etc, on milspec ammo, but you can see these on commercial loadings to SAAMI spec as well.

What differs completely... is the chamber....

www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#chamb




Details, details.
3/21/2005 12:54:03 PM EDT
[#14]
I would like to thank everyone for their help.
Dennis
3/22/2005 7:29:01 PM EDT
[#15]
+1 for FALARAK! The question was about the lower being able to fire 5.56 and .223 so +.5 to sapper! I know him, so he proablly left that open to draw fire! You can see that he did that by mentioning the 9mm and 6.8 shooting off AR lowers. Any way Good Job Falarak, not to many AR nuts know the difference!
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