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Posted: 3/2/2003 4:38:08 AM EDT
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I tried Sears, Lowes, Home Depot, and the small local American Hardware....nobody had them....just used regular ones, the only one I would have really like to have them for is the bolt catch retaining pin. |
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Posted: 3/2/2003 5:24:24 AM EDT
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I definitely recommend buying them. Your roll pins won't get damaged nearly as much. Midway has a 4 piece set made by Lyman for only $10.21 plus shipping. They have lots of other handy items as well, and their prices are better than Brownell's.
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Posted: 3/2/2003 6:08:16 AM EDT
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Buy the set from Brownells. They work and it will help avoid the "scratch"....
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Posted: 3/2/2003 6:48:23 AM EDT
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UH, catch the Snap-On, Mac, or Matco tool truck at any auto repair facility. I have a set from Snap-On and Matco.
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Posted: 3/2/2003 11:36:11 AM EDT
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Snapon would be alot more then Brownells.
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Posted: 3/6/2003 2:25:26 AM EDT
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As much as I dearly love Brownell's, their roll pin punches seem a bit weak. I was installing a teardrop F.A. the other day and the roll pin for it was fairly tight....not impossible...but tight...when I was finished I noticed that the end of the pin punch ( 5/32 )was quite mushroomed......I think I am gonna get a set from the Snap On dude and see how they work.
Gotta admit, too, that a starter punch would have been of a lot of help on that pin and may have saved the end of that punch..... |
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Posted: 3/6/2003 6:54:53 AM EDT
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what's the difference between the starter punches and the regular punches? i bought a cheapo set with 9? punches and a hammer from sportsmans guide and it worked OK. cept when i was putting the trigger guard in, i kind of messed up the punch a little, i just took a file to it and it was fine though. i should probably add that i put the guard in backwards, which may have had something to do with with why i had to pound on that sucker so hard.
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Posted: 3/6/2003 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Just to let everyone know the Snapon rollpin punch set goes for about 80 bucks for the 8 piece set. I orderd mine monday and will recieve them this comining monday. I have a no intrest account with my Snapon dealer. Thats the only reason I bought them.
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Posted: 3/6/2003 4:49:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just to let everyone know the Snapon rollpin punch set goes for about 80 bucks for the 8 piece set. I orderd mine monday and will recieve them this comining monday. I have a no intrest account with my Snapon dealer. Thats the only reason I bought them. [blue] Ain't the tool guys nice... where else can you maintian an account--and pay maybe $10 a week---interest free. [b]And if it breaks, you know who made it, where to get a replacement.... Sorta sounds like AJ Foyt during those CRAFTSMAN tool comercials on Sunday during the NASCAR race......[/b][/blue] |
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Posted: 3/7/2003 1:20:27 AM EDT
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I have no idea what roll pin punches look like. But wouldn't the punches used to mark the exact place for drilling a hole work. The ones I have in mind look like a regular punch but they have a sharp point added on the flat point the end. They come in a metal can like drills do and there's probably about 30 to a can.
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Posted: 3/7/2003 4:39:56 AM EDT
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Ridge_runner,
Roll pin punches have a "pilot pin end". In other words there is a cylindrical smaller protrusion on the end that fits into the hole of the roll pin to keep the punch centered on the roll pin as you push it into place. If you use the punches with the conical point, there is a very good chance that you will spread the slotted roll pin into a mushroom shape, and it will not seat into the hole as desired. As an alternate to actual "roll pin" punches, I would reccomend a flat ended punch. |
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Posted: 6/4/2003 8:22:31 PM EDT
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I wish I had seen this thread before I bought a set of roll pin punches from Brownells. Mine mushroomed, too, on the very first use. I also bought their special non-roll pin punch for removing the bolt catch roll pin. This thing broke didn't mushroom, it just plain broke! And it's not like I'm a clumsy oaf with my tools.
My old non-roll pin punches (unknown manufacturer) have gotten much more use and look brand new. However, I feel they do damage the roll pins a bit, so I'm still searching for a good set of roll pin punches. I guess I'll try the Lyman's at Midway. Anyway, thank God that Brownell's has a satisfaction guarantee. And that'll teach me not to consult the gurus at AR15.com BEFORE I BUY ANYTHING!!! Edited to add: I dearly love Brownell's, too, and won't hesitate to buy all kinds of other stuff there in the future. |
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Posted: 6/4/2003 8:48:25 PM EDT
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i looked all over the place, and had to buy a couple of center punches (sharp tip ones) from a local independant tool dealer. they worked just fine, i put a little CLP on the pin and they seemed to almost slide right into place.
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Posted: 6/5/2003 4:03:44 AM EDT
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i looked last night the ones at home depot are made in china. 3/32 and 1/8 in a pack for something like $6, looks like someone made them on a bench grinder.
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Posted: 6/5/2003 5:23:37 AM EDT
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I couldn't find roll pin punches anywhere locally. Craftsman catalog doesn't list them either.
I bought the Midway/Lyman punches for under $14 shipped. [url=http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=4&CategoryID=8826&CategoryString=649+***]Midway Punches[/url] Lyman 4-Piece Roll Pin Punch Set Product #: 191653 Status: Available Our Price: $10.21 Customer Rating: 5 stars out of 5 Roll pin punches are not absolutely necessary but definitely convenient. I would not use punches with a point on the end because as HarryD has already said, it may mushroom the end. [url=users.zoominternet.net/~pcfitz]P.I.G.S.[/url] |
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Posted: 6/5/2003 7:44:53 AM EDT
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I bought the Lyman set from Midway...they worked fine. Like most others, I found zip at Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, my local ACE hardware...
The only bad thing about Midway is that they tack on an extra handling charge for orders under a certain amount. So I start looking for a few small things to meet the minimum and my $10 punch order turns into a $50+ dollar order with a a punch kit, mag, bore guide...[:)] I believe Natchez and Midsouth also carry punches...generally their prices are comparable to or better than Midway. But they also have a min. order. --Otter |
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Posted: 6/5/2003 8:51:39 PM EDT
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[url]www.mcmaster.com[/url]
Quality is great, price is decent. Just make sure that you order the correct sizes. I ordered the same sizes that came in the Brownell set and they work great. |
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Posted: 6/5/2003 9:21:27 PM EDT
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Ahh you have discovered mcmaster carr. They are also a cool place when you have to order 400 oultlets.
Just a question. Ive never built a lower before so I was wondering; are roll pin punches worth it? |
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Posted: 6/6/2003 6:44:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ahh you have discovered mcmaster carr. They are also a cool place when you have to order 400 oultlets. Just a question. Ive never built a lower before so I was wondering; are roll pin punches worth it? My mother-in-law works at McMaster Carr. I get most items for 40-50% off and she brings them home on the same day. Roll pin punches are absolutely necessary if you don't want to damage your lower or ruin some pins. |
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Posted: 6/6/2003 6:49:32 AM EDT
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My local ACE Hardware carries them.
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Posted: 6/6/2003 6:54:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone know if Lowe's or Home Depot carry Roll Pin/Starter punches? If it wasn't part of the training pitch, they don't even know what it is. I asked if they had a thread file; they had no clue and told me there was no such thing. So I orded one online from [url=http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=299005&categoryId=0]Northern Tool[/url] |
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Posted: 6/6/2003 7:43:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just a question. Ive never built a lower before so I was wondering; are roll pin punches worth it? I had never built one before either. To me they were worth it. Especially for the bolt release pin. It's small, it's hard to get to. Roll pin punches don't slip off. Are they necessary? No. But Midway is cheap. |
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Posted: 6/6/2003 11:22:40 AM EDT
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All right then roll punches it is.
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Posted: 6/7/2003 1:49:49 AM EDT
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I use the 8pc roll pin punch set from Snap-On(PPR708K), and the roll pin starter punch set from Brownell's(080-685-000).
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Posted: 6/7/2003 2:25:11 PM EDT
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Couldn't find them at any hardware stores in a 20 mile radius.
Got a set from Bushmaster for $20.00 - they're listed as "drift punch set", but they do have the roll pin tit. [url]http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/gunsmith/stapnchset.asp[/url] Been using them for over three years now. No breaks or mushrooming. |
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Posted: 6/15/2003 12:12:56 AM EDT
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Grainger has a six piece set for $14 here in Albuquerque. Picked up a set for my first AR. No one else had 'em, some didn't even know what a roll pin punch was....
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Posted: 6/15/2003 7:45:07 AM EDT
[#27]
Brownell's has a listing for a set of 4 roll pin starter punches, in addition to roll pin punches themselves. Are you guys "mushrooming" these, or are you starting the pin with the regular punches?
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Posted: 6/15/2003 12:57:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone know if Lowe's or Home Depot carry Roll Pin/Starter punches? Going to go look later, just wondered if any of you on early might know? I just found a set at Lowes for 12.00...Online wanted as much for shipping as for the punch. |
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Posted: 6/15/2003 4:16:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Brownell's has a listing for a set of 4 roll pin starter punches, in addition to roll pin punches themselves. Are you guys "mushrooming" these, or are you starting the pin with the regular punches? I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but here's my experience. The first time I assembled an AR, I used normal punches and thought the roll pins could have looked better, so on my second AR I bought some of their roll pin punches. The first roll pin I installed looked better than with the normal punches, but the [i]punch itself[/i] had mushroomed. I think their steel is just too soft. Is that what you're asking? |
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Posted: 6/15/2003 5:48:10 PM EDT
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Sproc, Brownell's has roll pin punches AND roll pin starter punches...here are the starter punches:
[url]http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=781[/url] I've got these on order, but obviously haven't used them. I hope these will do what they're supposed to do without mushrooming/marring the pin. |
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Posted: 6/15/2003 9:18:17 PM EDT
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No, I didn't use their starter punches, but my pins started fine, and it wasn't my pins that mushroomed but the punches. I've actualy heard good things about their starter punches. I think a set of those plus a set of somebody else's roll pin punches would be ideal.
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Posted: 6/16/2003 7:59:04 AM EDT
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What I'm thinking/hoping is it was probably starting the pins with the regular punches that mushroomed them. I'll know before too long...I'm gonna be building a lower, and I've got the roll pin punches and starter punches headed my way. I'll follow up and let everyone know what happens.
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