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Posted: 11/18/2017 5:54:49 PM EDT
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These are photos from this year's AUSA show. I was told these would be coming out at or by the SHOT show.
1000 lumen Maxvision XH35 weapon light with a low 500 lumen, high 1000 lumen, and strobe settings. 
500 lumen TIR EDCL1-T 
Sure-Fire released the 1200 lumen TIR EDCL2-T this month. I'd like to see more lights with the 18650 option like the Peacekeeper. |
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Posted: 11/21/2017 5:39:08 PM EDT
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I will have one
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Posted: 11/22/2017 12:39:33 AM EDT
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Anyone know what battery life is going to be?
What about white light/IR models, will they see lumen increases? |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:48:58 AM EDT
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Battery life will be dependent on the cell you use in the light, a LOT of choices in 18650 batteries.
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Posted: 11/22/2017 12:35:15 PM EDT
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With my 600 lumen lights I can set my t2 on power 9 or 10 and it doesn’t bloom to much in the dark and it doesn’t wash out with the light on. I wonder if 12000 or 15000 lumens would cause one to have to adjust the aimpoint. Thoughts?
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Posted: 11/22/2017 6:20:15 PM EDT
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With my 600 lumen lights I can set my t2 on power 9 or 10 and it doesn’t bloom to much in the dark and it doesn’t wash out with the light on. I wonder if 12000 or 15000 lumens would cause one to have to adjust the aimpoint. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 6:48:00 PM EDT
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Welcome, Surefire. Welcome to 2014. I'm glad you finally made it. I've had a 1,250 lumen (don't laugh...) Armtek for nearly two years now... |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 6:53:51 PM EDT
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The o light has a shitty beam, is relatively untested, and almost no one makes holsters for them. Streamlight has really upgraded their game as of recent, but I've broken more streamlights than I have Surefires. a 1500 lumen tir scout will, I predict, be even better than An HLX and fit on a carbine better. Let's not be dramatic here, for duty use, SF is still the goto Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol! I edited my prior post because I thought I was overly harsh on SF.... but this post nails it. Maybe someday they'll actually make something that isn't chasing someone else's product (such as Olight or Streamlight who are kicking the snot out of SF). Streamlight has really upgraded their game as of recent, but I've broken more streamlights than I have Surefires. a 1500 lumen tir scout will, I predict, be even better than An HLX and fit on a carbine better. Let's not be dramatic here, for duty use, SF is still the goto |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 7:42:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know plenty of professionals that use Streamlight. After years of getting their shit packed by a dozen other brands, SF might finally start getting with the program. Maybe. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 7:43:45 PM EDT
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Battery life will be dependent on the cell you use in the light, a LOT of choices in 18650 batteries. |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:46:37 PM EDT
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what's the go to for high quality, long lasting 18650's? |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 11:48:23 PM EDT
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How’s about THESE
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Posted: 11/23/2017 1:38:07 AM EDT
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No track record, as in almost all 18650 batteries they are probably coming out of China.
I’ll stick with proven suppliers. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 7:10:12 AM EDT
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The o light has a shitty beam, is relatively untested, and almost no one makes holsters for them. Streamlight has really upgraded their game as of recent, but I've broken more streamlights than I have Surefires. a 1500 lumen tir scout will, I predict, be even better than An HLX and fit on a carbine better. Let's not be dramatic here, for duty use, SF is still the goto |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:41:09 AM EDT
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$16 for a battery that says Surfire? Anyone that pays that is out of their mind.
I don't know the amperage of the new Surefire lights, but as long as you stay at or below you will be fine. Protected batteries are the best bet I buy all my (Panasonic, IMR, Efest) batteries here. https://liionwholesale.com/pages/search-results-page?q=18650+button+top More info http://best18650battery.com/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:42:51 AM EDT
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It'll depend WAY MORE on candela than lumens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With my 600 lumen lights I can set my t2 on power 9 or 10 and it doesn't bloom to much in the dark and it doesn't wash out with the light on. I wonder if 12000 or 15000 lumens would cause one to have to adjust the aimpoint. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 11:59:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2017 12:07:32 PM EDT
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$16 for a battery that says Surfire? Anyone that pays that is out of their mind. I don't know the amperage of the new Surefire lights, but as long as you stay at or below you will be fine. Protected batteries are the best bet I buy all my (Panasonic, IMR, Efest) batteries here. https://liionwholesale.com/pages/search-results-page?q=18650+button+top More info http://best18650battery.com/ |
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Posted: 11/26/2017 9:34:34 PM EDT
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I'd like to get one of these soon. In the meantime, I'll just have to make due with my little 500 lumen tan Mini-Scout when it gets here.
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Posted: 11/28/2017 3:31:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HL-X comes in a weapon light configuration ("HL-X rail mount weapon light"). Unlike Surefire, they also come with clamp, wiring for tape switch, tape switch itself, and adhesive pad and zip ties (oh, and battery too). And all for 1/3 the price of the Surefire. Granted, the HL-X is 1k lumen (vs this new SF 1.5K lumen), but still... that's a hell of deal for a SF competitor. ETA: and the HL-X can use 18650 batteries too. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 1:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDefinitely good batteries but not protected. Makes me a tad nervous.
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Posted: 11/29/2017 6:32:04 AM EDT
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Definitely good batteries but not protected. Makes me a tad nervous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Unprotected IMR and NCR batts are gtg. |
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Posted: 12/1/2017 3:25:30 AM EDT
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Is there an eta on this light?
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Posted: 12/1/2017 2:55:36 PM EDT
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Is there an eta on this light? I compared a 1000 lumen light to a 600 lumen and the difference wasn’t that noticeably huge to me. At least not and extra $200 worth. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 6:31:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the drama here is SF's pricing. If they keep it up, they'll (easily) be surpassed quite quickly. SF is playing catch up with it's competitors (notice how they REACT to competition, instead of leading it?). However, their competitors are gaining in durability, rep, and quality (not to mention less than 1/2 the $ of SF) and have surpassed them, already, in some ways. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 6:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But many of their competitors products are made in China. SL has pistol lights well over $300 that are only "assembled" in the US. If SF starts selling cheaper lights that means they've either cut corners and/or have outsourced foreign labor and materials, so I'd just rather them "keep it up". Coming from a SF and SL collector.  ).
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Posted: 12/2/2017 10:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But many of their competitors products are made in China. SL has pistol lights well over $300 that are only "assembled" in the US. If SF starts selling cheaper lights that means they've either cut corners and/or have outsourced foreign labor and materials, so I'd just rather them "keep it up". Coming from a SF and SL collector. There are NO U.S. manufactured LED’s. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 12:52:35 PM EDT
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The TA01 ACOG came out 30 years ago, and it still costs $1,000. Why does everyone fawn all over Trijicon for being a quality, US-made product that uses old technology while at the same time deriding Surefire for doing the same thing?
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Posted: 12/2/2017 1:30:24 PM EDT
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Because no one has brought out something that is several quantum leaps past an ACOG, that can’t be said about Surefire.
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Posted: 12/2/2017 2:42:38 PM EDT
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The TA01 ACOG came out 30 years ago, and it still costs $1,000. Why does everyone fawn all over Trijicon for being a quality, US-made product that uses old technology while at the same time deriding Surefire for doing the same thing? |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:04:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that the LED is manufactured in China? There are NO U.S. manufactured LED’s. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 11:16:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SF is "last years tech at next years pricing" (hey I like that... I think I've found SF's new slogan! ).
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Posted: 12/5/2017 4:38:13 PM EDT
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Surefire still has the best weapon mounts and switches. For a pocket light no way but if it's weapon mounted surefire really does it right.
I would prefer not to pay the price for that and if they could cut prices a bit I think they could sell even more. If the other light companies really want a piece they need to work on mounts and switches. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 5:58:49 PM EDT
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Surefire still has the best weapon mounts and switches. For a pocket light no way but if it's weapon mounted surefire really does it right. I would prefer not to pay the price for that and if they could cut prices a bit I think they could sell even more. If the other light companies really want a piece they need to work on mounts and switches. I’ve spent well over $2,000.00 over the years drinking the Surefire kool aide. Not anymore unless it’s a weapon light and then I’ll probably change out the head. For hand held lights it’s Fenix. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 6:03:01 PM EDT
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Surefire still has the best weapon mounts and switches. For a pocket light no way but if it's weapon mounted surefire really does it right. I would prefer not to pay the price for that and if they could cut prices a bit I think they could sell even more. If the other light companies really want a piece they need to work on mounts and switches. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 1:18:29 AM EDT
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TAPS looks to be outpacing the Surefire switch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Surefire still has the best weapon mounts and switches. For a pocket light no way but if it's weapon mounted surefire really does it right. I would prefer not to pay the price for that and if they could cut prices a bit I think they could sell even more. If the other light companies really want a piece they need to work on mounts and switches. I'm not a surefire koolaid guy but their stuff is slick mounted. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 3:38:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I’ve spent well over $2,000.00 over the years drinking the Surefire kool aide. Not anymore unless it’s a weapon light and then I’ll probably change out the head. For hand held lights it’s Fenix. I have been testing the Inforce APL Gen 3 as a replacement to my X300s. After some initial problems with flickering I thought they were going to be a pass but after discoving you really have to crank down the bezel to ensure a solid connection with the battery I have yet to have a problem with the two I have been testing. While I am not there yet, the APL is starting to look like an option for me as an X300 replacement. Point is Surefire has some serious contenders in this market. They are going to have to step it up. Improve their pricing, drastically improve their customer service and continue to innovate. Just my opinion on the subject. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 12:50:36 PM EDT
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Surefire MIGHT offer a light like this in TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
This is the Fenix TK75 2018 I have an older unit that “only” outputs 4,100 Lumens. You can purchase this light for around $220.00 and it’s built like a tank. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:21:59 PM EDT
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Surefire MIGHT offer a light like this in TEN YEARS FROM NOW. https://i.imgur.com/LfVwyet.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mcH0hhI.jpg This is the Fenix TK75 2018 I have an older unit that “only” outputs 4,100 Lumens. You can purchase this light for around $220.00 and it’s built like a tank. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 8:07:35 PM EDT
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Surefire MIGHT offer a light like this in TEN YEARS FROM NOW. https://i.imgur.com/LfVwyet.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mcH0hhI.jpg This is the Fenix TK75 2018 I have an older unit that “only” outputs 4,100 Lumens. You can purchase this light for around $220.00 and it’s built like a tank. Battery type or recharge-ability are not on my radar. Gimicks like strobes, multi-output, weird switches are a turn off to me. Weapon mounted lights should be purpose built for weapon mounting. Handhelds aren’t that important to me, but simple and small are good. I want something that works, not some candlepowerforum member’s wet dream. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 8:29:10 PM EDT
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Are these both made by surefire? The top light looks great
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Posted: 12/6/2017 8:38:55 PM EDT
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Edited; not GD -- sju
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Posted: 12/7/2017 12:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess we have completely different requirements for lights. For me the number one attribute is durability and reliability. A distant second is output. Third is ease of mounting. Battery type or recharge-ability are not on my radar. Gimicks like strobes, multi-output, weird switches are a turn off to me. Weapon mounted lights should be purpose built for weapon mounting. Handhelds aren’t that important to me, but simple and small are good. I want something that works, not some candlepowerforum member’s wet dream. *owns a very dated m952v *might buy this new scout even though it’ll be overpriced |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 1:40:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo these showed up yesterday in the mail and no bueno. Sort of. They don’t work in my Streamlight hl-x. Too short. Compared to the protected models they are short. Compared to my trustfires they are really short. So I put them in my olights and put the protected version in the Streamlight hl-x. The protected version is long enough. Just a heads up for some of you out there. I’ve always heard about people complaint about the different 18650 sizes but this is the first time I’ve had an issue. Going back to olight. They make awesome lights. My Surefire feels a tad better built than my Streamlight and my olight feels a tad better than my Surefire. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 7:32:46 PM EDT
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So these showed up yesterday in the mail and no bueno. Sort of. They don't work in my Streamlight hl-x. Too short. Compared to the protected models they are short. Compared to my trustfires they are really short. So I put them in my olights and put the protected version in the Streamlight hl-x. The protected version is long enough. Just a heads up for some of you out there. I've always heard about people complaint about the different 18650 sizes but this is the first time I've had an issue. Going back to olight. They make awesome lights. My Surefire feels a tad better built than my Streamlight and my olight feels a tad better than my Surefire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
So I put them in my olights and put the protected version in the Streamlight hl-x. The protected version is long enough. Just a heads up for some of you out there. I've always heard about people complaint about the different 18650 sizes but this is the first time I've had an issue. Going back to olight. They make awesome lights. My Surefire feels a tad better built than my Streamlight and my olight feels a tad better than my Surefire. Seems like the HL-X is scaled to fit protected batts only. Now I wonder if the HL-X has any built in protections. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 9:02:02 PM EDT
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Surefire is finally starting to come out with some innovative products again. Quite refreshing. Do want. 
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Posted: 12/8/2017 10:37:48 AM EDT
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Protected 18650s may be taller, due to the protection chip on the ends... The sizing problems show themselves in most cases, with flat vs button tops. I've personally never had an issue with either protected/unprotected batts in the lights I use. I normally use Klarus, Orbtronic or generic Panosonics. This issue has happened to people, though. Seems like the HL-X is scaled to fit protected batts only. Now I wonder if the HL-X has any built in protections. |
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Posted: 12/8/2017 10:40:57 AM EDT
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Will have |
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Posted: 12/8/2017 10:41:38 AM EDT
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Correct, as will I. 
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Posted: 12/8/2017 2:05:53 PM EDT
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Ok, so it turns out streamlight leads for the TAPS switch aren’t anywhere near ready.
When is this light going to be available? Looks like I’ll have to blow excess money just for a god damn lead. Sigh. |
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