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Posted: 2/20/2009 5:22:51 PM EDT
| I know Surefire is the Cadillac of weapons lights, but my budget says I can only afford a Chevy. I'm looking for something similar to the Surefire Scout M600, and I would like to keep the price under $200 as the light will probably only be used on a home defense AR. What options do I have for a Scout-like weapons light near the $200 price range? |
I usually refrain from posting on weapon light threads. But what the heck. 
I have a 6P with an LED drop in. It's been slung under glocks and on various AR's. It's pretty bright. You don't look into it. If you point it at someone 20 yards away, they will yell at you to shut it off. It's brighter with rechargeable protected RCR123 batteries than with disposable Surefire SF123A batteries, because the rechargeable batts have a higher peak voltage. It will easily light up my garage 35 yards away. I mount it with this $2.50 mount, or the top half of this slightly wider (stronger?) $6 mount. About a year and a half ago, I bought one of these lights for $17 and one of these lights for $17. I put them on guns and shot the guns. Over the next year, i bought two more of each plus some more of those mounts, and i put all those on guns, and i shot the guns. The $17 Romisen lights are slightly brighter than my 6P, the machining of the components is as good if not better than the 6P. None have ever failed. None have broken. None have blinked, dimmed, or flickered. I'm not surprised though. All they are is an aluminum tube with batteries, a clicky switch, a driver circuit, and a decent LED. None of those items are shock sensitive. They just aren't. You have to really bash the crap out of them to get them to fail. Other pros: Shipping was free. The lights all have CC drive circuits so they have stable output across battery life. They run 45 & 25 minutes continuous (big and small light, resp) on RCR123's, and much longer but with some late dim-down on disposable 123's. Okay. So that's my 2 cents on weapon lights. I'm not kidding. I really did buy 6 lights with mounts for less than $150 total. I really do use them. They really are bright. They really do not fail. Good luck! 
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I usually refrain from posting on weapon light threads. But what the heck.
I have a 6P with an LED drop in. It's been slung under glocks and on various AR's. It's pretty bright. You don't look into it. If you point it at someone 20 yards away, they will yell at you to shut it off. It's brighter with rechargeable protected RCR123 batteries than with disposable Surefire SF123A batteries, because the rechargeable batts have a higher peak voltage. It will easily light up my garage 35 yards away. I mount it with this $2.50 mount, or the top half of this slightly wider (stronger?) $6 mount. About a year and a half ago, I bought one of these lights for $17 and one of these lights for $17. I put them on guns and shot the guns. Over the next year, i bought two more of each plus some more of those mounts, and i put all those on guns, and i shot the guns. The $17 Romisen lights are slightly brighter than my 6P, the machining of the components is as good if not better than the 6P. None have ever failed. None have broken. None have blinked, dimmed, or flickered. I'm not surprised though. All they are is an aluminum tube with batteries, a clicky switch, a driver circuit, and a decent LED. None of those items are shock sensitive. They just aren't. You have to really bash the crap out of them to get them to fail. Other pros: Shipping was free. The lights all have CC drive circuits so they have stable output across battery life. They run 45 & 25 minutes continuous (big and small light, resp) on RCR123's, and much longer but with some late dim-down on disposable 123's. Okay. So that's my 2 cents on weapon lights. I'm not kidding. I really did buy 6 lights with mounts for less than $150 total. I really do use them. They really are bright. They really do not fail. Good luck! My experience with Dealxtreme flashlights was not so great. As in, 3 of the 4 crapped out within 2 months. The 4th went in the trash. |
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DD Omega rails came in today, and I decided to order the Surefire G2 LED/LaRue LT-606 flashlight mount combo. I searched the internet for the best prices on the light and the mount, and by the time I figured in shipping, the $142 combo direct from LaRue was the best deal.
Thanks again for the suggestions: AR15.COM is a great place to get ideas (and help me spend my money ).
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Talk to Kevin at Brightflashlights! I just picked up a 6P led and a Z49 encap for a super low price. He asks that you dont post prices online but if you email him for the specials you will be very happy you did.
I mounted the 6PL in a VLTOR mount on my CASV-EL and it works perfect and did not break the bank. I had to order the 6PL becuase my wife found my G2L that I had on it and liked the light so much she stole it from me! No shit. Brightflashlights prices are so good I got the 6PL for the same price as a G2L locally! |
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Not sure if you're into eBay, but if you are keep an eye on this guy
He's been selling Surefire 6V Millennium Weaponlights with mounts, momentary switches, and infrared filters. At the moment he doesn't have anything listed, but he'll probably list more. They've been selling anywhere from $125 to $200, and that's a pretty smoking deal. His feedback is perfect-so he isn't selling Airsoft knockoffs. If have no affiliation with this guy, but I've been watching his auctions for a few weeks now. ETA: Here's a new Scout with mount for $185 LINK |
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I usually refrain from posting on weapon light threads. But what the heck.
I have a 6P with an LED drop in. It's been slung under glocks and on various AR's. It's pretty bright. You don't look into it. If you point it at someone 20 yards away, they will yell at you to shut it off. It's brighter with rechargeable protected RCR123 batteries than with disposable Surefire SF123A batteries, because the rechargeable batts have a higher peak voltage. It will easily light up my garage 35 yards away. I mount it with this $2.50 mount, or the top half of this slightly wider (stronger?) $6 mount. About a year and a half ago, I bought one of these lights for $17 and one of these lights for $17. I put them on guns and shot the guns. Over the next year, i bought two more of each plus some more of those mounts, and i put all those on guns, and i shot the guns. The $17 Romisen lights are slightly brighter than my 6P, the machining of the components is as good if not better than the 6P. None have ever failed. None have broken. None have blinked, dimmed, or flickered. I'm not surprised though. All they are is an aluminum tube with batteries, a clicky switch, a driver circuit, and a decent LED. None of those items are shock sensitive. They just aren't. You have to really bash the crap out of them to get them to fail. Other pros: Shipping was free. The lights all have CC drive circuits so they have stable output across battery life. They run 45 & 25 minutes continuous (big and small light, resp) on RCR123's, and much longer but with some late dim-down on disposable 123's. Okay. So that's my 2 cents on weapon lights. I'm not kidding. I really did buy 6 lights with mounts for less than $150 total. I really do use them. They really are bright. They really do not fail. Good luck! I bought a light and a mount yesterday from them. Going to try them out and see how they function. For $20 you cant really go wrong. |
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How does the G2L compare to the X300 in terms of: - weight - durability - light output I like the small size of the X-series -Z G2 vs. X300 Weight: G2 is heavier Durability: They are both dang near bulletproof Output: X300 puts out over 2X the light presuming the X300 is equal to the M600C and E2DL. In my experience, it is the same as both. |
| What about the Laser Devices Operative (OV-1)? It has the slimmer profile like the Scout light and incandescents can be had for around $75 and I believe the bezel is shock isolated. The LED version is almost a hundred bucks more but output goes from 90 lumens to 150. |
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from the pelican website
http://www.pelican.com/lights_category.php?Category=Tactical&LampType=%&Submersible=%&New=% and this also found via Google - not sure of its validity http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/pelican_m6_2390.htm Quoted:
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My Pelican M6 is brighter that my buddy's Surefire and I paid half the price he paid. Best $40 flashlight I have ever seen: http://www.lapolicegear.com/pem6lifl1.html That looks like a nice light. I curious about the run time since they don't list it. |
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What about the Laser Devices Operative (OV-1)? It has the slimmer profile like the Scout light and incandescents can be had for around $75 and I believe the bezel is shock isolated. The LED version is almost a hundred bucks more but output goes from 90 lumens to 150. I personally like the M600C. Many reasons. It is VASTLY under-rated, with IS tests I have seen ranging from 160-170 to one 200 lumen freak. These are real, out the front lumens. Not DX drop-in claims or hyperbole. Very few lights actually put out what they claim. Also, with the TIR optic, you get a hot-spot 2-3x as large as most reflector equipped lights. This is GREAT for a moving target. Sure it "only" throws out to 275-300 feet (I could differnentiate between 2 people of the same ethnicity, build, features at this distance with it), however, it is useful in that your target wont just move out of the beam (hog hunting/combat, whatever) like it would with something like a Super Tac or something else that throws a very intense, but narrow beam. With the F04 diffuser in-place, my M600C put out 148 lumens after being warmed up, which equates to a wall of light extending 20-30 meters and lighting up a pretty dang good piece of real-estate. Barring this, I would purchase one of Victor's TNVC drop-ins. It also has a very usable hot-spot, I like it's beam profile a lot. I am working on getting IS numbers on it's true OTF lumens as well. Stand by for that one. (An Integrated Sphere costs between 10 and 20 thousand dollars. I do not own one, thus I rely on friends who do, and them making the time for my test-mules). ETA: If the LUX readings are true and normally representative for this light, it is one I would look at. The E2DL/M600C has around the same LUX at 1M. I still have yet to see a light with a better hot-spot though. http://www.pelican.com/lights_detail_specs.php?recordID=2390 |
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...blah blah blah Romisen lights are good and cheap blah blah blah... I bought a light and a mount yesterday from them. Going to try them out and see how they function. For $20 you cant really go wrong. Hey - post back here when you get it. IMO - the romisen lights are pretty high-quality lights. It'd be interesting to see other opinions. Great avatar BTW.
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