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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Wolverine lasers (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/25/2007 4:31:20 PM EDT
| Does anyone know if the shipment of Wolverine's are in yet? I ordered mine about two weeks back Tim was waiting for parts I am dieing to try mine out. |
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I am sorting out all the mess, and looking very closely at all of the laser laws none of my laser parts or services go outside the us, unless a soldier were to carry one into battle with him from the states.... I hope to get it all ironed out fast, I have had a lot of troubles responding to emails and getting into my company email, or updating the site, but i am online now and working hard to resolve the situation, it appears they may have been after someone i had dealings with, but i am not sure, they do not have to tell you why they are taking all of your stuff.... the dod was there and took special interest in a corsak laser someone had sent me to play with and inspect, the even took the ar15, the loaded mag, the arms 40, railed handguard, and the eotech 553 that the corsak was attatched to..  that sucksif anyone had been waiting for a part from me you will get it, but only when i am sure it is all perfectly legal, so hang tough, i can research and develop, but not ship |
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PS! do NOT send ANY gen 3 nv gear outside of the US, I have talked with the US Customs agents while they were at my house raiding me with all of the other lettered agencies, it is VERY VERY illegal and even the export of parts for nv gear used by the military is STRICTLY and FURIOUSLY prosecuted, as a general rule any nv part or gear that has an nsn number which starts with 5585 is a heck of a no no to send outside of the US, or to sell to someone who you have knowledge of the person taking it out of the US after the sale this is serious buisiness guys, I do not send anything like that out of the us, neither do any of the huge companies who make nv parts or gear |
Yeppers always has been unless of course you have all the Export Compliance paperwork setup but ALL one's i's and t's better be dotted and crossed! On ALL my invoices for NV that are sent out to verified US addresses, I have an ITAR statement that states this, "EXPORT OF THE COMMODITIES DESCRIBED HEREIN IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED WITHOUT A VALID EXPORT LICENSE ISSUED BY THE U.S. DEPT. OF STATE OFFICE OF MUNITIONS CONTROL PRE-SCRIBED IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC IN ARMS REGULATION (ITAR), TITLE 22, CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS,PARTS 121-128." Thanks for the heads-up Tim! |
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Tim, Hang in there. As soon as you get back running, I have additional items I am going to order from you.he |
That covers APO/FPO as well? |
not as far as i know I thought the corsaks were good to go, we will see i guess, and i have been asking around.... I did find out that a lot of the green lasers you see on the market are overpowered and possibly illegal, go figure.... |
I am looking into that as well, I was told that it could be sent to iraq for troops but there are certain ways it has to be done to be all on the up and up, at this point i would not send anything out of the states |
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Tim: Hope all works out well on this - hadn't talked since right after this happened. You are a good guy and make a good product - hang in there. Let me know if you need anything else from me. Oh, and ignore the black van in fron tof your house - it is just there to keep an eye on the black helicopter overhead... |
| Tim, I know you're going through alot and I'm not trying to downplay any of it. That being said, I think you should give your customers a courtesy call. I'm not saying you go in to many details; however just a phone call will make a whole lot of people who are waiting on orders feel re assured. I know you said you'd call me and i haven't received a call to date. I've called you several times and left mesages and got no return call. I was wanting to buy nightvision as well as discuss the IR module I ordered. Since I got no responce, I bought nightvision from another vendor and called my CC company regarding the pending order; that I placed over a month ago.... |
| He sent a email last week but nothing since then. I have been giving some time to Tim to get things straightened out but my wife is starting to ride my Butt to get my card refunded. If I don't hear something solid soon I will let her go do that so I don't get my *** riden over this any longer. I hope he comes through soon. |
I'm suprised you didn't do it already. When my credit card company sent me a letter, they indicated that Tactical Supplies didn't even respond to their corresponcences. My refund was automatic. |
Tim is a good man and he'll make good with product or $. Let's not condem the man. These things take time. |
Should have tried to get my money back earlier. Now Tim won't even return my emails. This sucks!|
you guys are fuckin instant gratification lovers am I right? I know I know...3 bills is 3 bills but damn the guy just got his whole place seized by feds. It's gonna take him a bit to get back on his feet IMO. Don't write him off already. Put yourself in his shoes. |
That sucks the big green weenie! I gave him over a month before I called my credit card company. Before I did that, I called him at least 15 times and left 10 or more answering machine messages. He did contact me once or twice via IM and promised he'd call me. He never did. Had he had given me one courtesy call I would have held out. At this time, I don't blame anyone for calling their credit card companies. Like I said earlier, I do feel bad that he got raided by the Feds. It was a gross injustice! However, evidentially his phone and answering machine still works; so why hasn't he returned any of his calls? Just because he got dicked over doesn't mean he has to dick over his customers. What I mean by dicking over is not taking it upon himself to refund payments and or give courtesy calls. |
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@ fivepointoh Bought the thing on ebay via Buy It Now on April 29, so yeah, in my case it WAS supposed to be an instant gratification thing. I waited until well into June before I pulled the plug on the order. I have every intention of buying a unit from the guy if and when he gets going again, but in the interim that money will be allocated elsewhere. I have no hard feelings toward the guy whatsoever. I'm looking out for MY best interests, just as HE's looking out for HIS by laying low, not returning calls, not shipping product until he's in the clear, etc. Not a flame, more of an explanation. |
| The problem is the lack of Info from Tim. I paid for a laser back in April and have only had contact with him once since then. I beleive Tim to be a honest man and know his troubles, but when he does not return emails or calls It seems like he is avoiding you period. How many months must I wait and trust a guy I have never meet in person, only bought from one time in the past and have yet to get the product after several months from that sell? I am a trusting guy and beleive me waiting since April with one contact from him more than shows that, But I do have a limt and it is my money which I work physical labor for a liveing and 3 bills is pretty much two days of working my *** off in 90 degree heat right now. Overall I am not very happy just a email or call once in a while telling me the current status would make me feel better about the whole deal. No contact at all gives me a bad feeling about the deal after months go by! |
| Very well stated Terry. I'm sure Tim is a good guy, but the lack of communication is unacceptable. Tactical supplies changing owners has not inspired a lot of confidence either. Tim may battle the feds for 2 years. Our government is not exactly fast at resolving problems. I have waited for two months with one email several weeks ago. I do not believe I am being unfair or unreasonable. The time has come for me to try and get my money back. Unfortunatly, it looks as if I may not be able to do that. |
I hate to say it but knowing how PayPal works, I think you're screwed. If you've waited over 45 days, you have no recourse with Paypal. Your only hope is that Tim does the right thing and either delivers your product or refunds your money. Like I stated, there is no excuse for Tim not giving a courtesy call ;without he going into too many specifics. |
Exactly! |
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been watching this thread for a while, sigh, I think Tim is not answering because more than likely any contact with us out here, the feds might consider that as business, and if they shut him down, bet his lawyer said, stay quiet for now, and the other thing which I hope has NOT happened of,he is sitting in the can on some techinicality,  my bets are a yr or more before we hear more from him,  the other thing is his location, anyone look up where his business was, not far from dearborn, considering where the largest group of muslims in the US is,(read between the lines here) I can see some other govment concerns on top of the FDA technicality games, all we can do is watch, and hope the poor guy can get out of whatever bind he is in, it would be interesting if someone that lived nearby went to, the old (to see whats there) and new storefront, and did a face to face with the new owner, might find out some new info that way |
I was thinking the exact same thing. He probably sold some shit to a Ali Baba on a watch list, which drew attention to him and got him raided........ |
| I sent Tim a couple of Crimson Trace laser grips to look at doing some improvements, and they literally arrived the day before the feds came and raided his place. I was able to talk to him via phone a couple of days after the incident, but I never received a return shipment of the grips (which he said were unopened, so he could have just dropped them off at the post office with a "return to sender" label), nor have I been able to establish contact via phone, answering machine, e-mail, or IM since that phone call. I have a feeling that I am never going to see those grips again (which are almost $300 a piece). I head a lot of great things about Tim and his work but this business with absolutely no one being being able to get in contact with him is pretty bad. |
I know BUT,thing is, a few yrs back we had a local gun shop get the fed treatment on some technical stuff that was stirred up by a local competing gunshop(who happen to also be owned by a local LE) how things were handled created a bit of blowback at local LE on how things got handled, and local gun owners boycotted the shop that stirred up the mess, (its now defunct ) anyway, if it wasnt for knowing the family of the shop owner,(the only way I found out what had happened) no one out and around knew anything,nothing /nobody got told anything till the lawyers got done , about 4 months later, and the shop got sold during the time the lawyers were cutting thier deals, this is what I think is going on right now, |
That's possible but I doubt it. I suspect Tim is desperate and knowing he can't deliver products, at this time, is holding on to peoples money as long as possible; in an effort to stay afloat...... My main "beef" is the lack of communication. He can find some way to keep his customers updated, either by phone or posting on the net, or even on his site. Where there IS a will, there IS a way. |
| I agree. Unless he is behind bars he should have contacted folks to give them piece of mind. I know I usually have to save up for a purchase of a few hundred dollars and it burns a hole in my pocket when I am finally able to get it. I would not want a few hundred dollars suspended in limbo either. But don't crucify tha man yet. He seems like a great dealer/person and I am sure there is a good reason behind his lack of contact. |
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FIRST - If being without your $300 for a few months is going to put some of you guys in the poor house then you shouldn't be spending money on toys you will likely never use to begin with. This is probably a good time for you to re-evaluate your spending habits. SECOND - I'm certain that any communication made between Tim and a past, current or future client would be viewed as an act of conducting business, something he is restricted from doing at this time. THIRD - Tim seems to be a stand up (true Christian) guy. That buys a man a lot of time, patience and understanding from where I'm sitting. |
In the case of the guy who paid by Paypal, his money is lost.
You say Tim seems to be a stand up Christian Guy. There are lots of people who seem that way; that really aren't. I'm not saying that's the case with Tim but it's definitely something to consider.
Where are you sitting? Is Tim holding your hard earned dollars and hasn't communicated with you in a month and a half? |
on this,
well, Im in that boat too, but there are times it takes patience, we might not hear anything from Tim for quite sometime, all we can do is wait ,
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| Regardless of what happened to Tim ( I have talked with him several times and he always seemed like a great guy) he was gotten himself into a situation that is affecting his business and customers. It is not wrong to want to know what is going on with your money. |
I agree, it's a trajedy for all parties involved. Well, we can all thank our government for this miscarrage of justice. At least they're not wasting their resources on drug dealiers, border enforcement and illegal aliens.  A fine example of your tax dollars at work for you................
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I'm into Tim for about $150 cash and another $200 worth of product that I sent him. If Tim goes down because of this, I don't need him to repay me. If he manages to make it through, it would be cool if I got my stuff. I sent him an IM saying as much, but never got a response. I'm not rich either, but if you guys can't write off a few hundred bucks, you probably can't afford to be buying IR / NV stuff. His whole world has just been turned upside down, and his business gutted. I would feel like I was kicking him when he was down to ask for my money back. |
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How is it BS? Are you saying I don't really feel this way? How would you know? Sorry to disappoint you, but I could give a fuck what you think about me. Tim has gotten kicked in the nuts pretty hard. It sucks on a lot of levels. If they have taken his computers, his parts, and his records, he probably has no way of knowing who even sent him money. Believe me, I've got a lot of things I could do with that money, too. I'd much rather get what I payed for, than get my money back. I don't know the facts on what happened. I do know that I'd feel like I was kicking him when he was down if I tried to get money out of him now. Let your conscience be your guide. I paid for a similar product from a guy named Steve Kelley (S.K. or SK Industries) with a web page called 'law-17.com'. That guy was a lying thief. Never got my money back from him, and never got any product. This is not the same kind of deal. |
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Easy Boys. I know Tim and I know this much about him. If anyone paid him money for a product you will eventually get your money or your product. If he has to work the night shift at a 7-11 to pay people back he will. That it the type of guy he is. He once sucked up a $1900 dollar loss becuse the Night Vision Company he USED to be a dealer for. They sent out a defective D 740 to a customer of Tims, and then would not replace it with another 740 becuse they did not have any more from Russia. Then they subbed it with something else. ANYWAY, This came at a very bad time for Tim. You see he had a HUGE order for IR lasers come in. So he SOLD all but one of his own fire arms to buy the raw materiels. Yes you read that right. He had just moved his location as well so the FEDS could not have picked a worse time to "go in" as it were. His computer is gone, ALL the lasers he was about to ship, gone and if I am not mistaken he can not even ship replacements if he makes more under the current situation. This is "a kick in the nuts." Imagine, LEOs come into your home with guns and warrants and walk off with not only your stuff but customers stuff as well... I would feel like shit till it was resolved and then some. HELL we ought to be seeing about getting a legal defense fund toghter for him. Tim is the only other manufacter besides Hays to even TRY to bring IR lasers to the civilian market. He stuck his neck out for us... IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
Like i've said numerous times, I do feel bad for what happened to Tim. I just wish he'd find some way to communicate with his customers. You can't blame people for getting "antsy" when He has your money and hasn't contacted you in any way, shape or form? He could post a mesage on his website. I actually like the idea of a defense fund. However, how are we to get it to him if we can't even contact him? |
Yep, that was my scope and the company that F%@ked Tim and I was US Nightvision But, Tim did come thru in the end..... |
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