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Posted: 2/28/2004 8:23:33 AM EDT
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Hello all Just getting my rifle project up and going. Have a Bushmaster M4 postban with KAC RAS2 and the fixed car stock. I've never used a quality sling, I have only used the sling that came with my Bushy and I find that thing useless. As of now I have my eye on the CQB solutions HST or Mount single point slings(KISS). My question to you guys is " What's your preferance in terms of Single Point and 3 Point? " and Why? |
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It depends on individual needs. A 3 point has a section of sling running along the side of the receiver adn might get in the way of the bolt release depending on how it fits and how you hit the release, but that extra attachment point keeps better control of the weapon. Single points don't get in the way as much but the muzzle is more free to swing around hanging from the sling. |
| 3 point slings also offer you more ways to cary your weapon. Aside from your standard ready position you can also sling it like a backpack. The down side is there is more material that can get hung up. It's more a matter of what you plan on doing with your rifle. Whether you plan on trekking through the back country with it or just urban close combat, OR you can be really prepared and have both at hand. [;)] |
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My Uncle is a Lt., and a Firearms and tactical entry instructor for N.C. swat teams and when I was looking to buy a sling this is what he told me. "A sling system is to a rifle what a holster is to a handgun. A single point sling is the least cumbersome, but you also need an attachment plate and some slight gunsmithing. http://botachtactical.com/cqbhigspeedt.html and http://www.botachtactical.com/gggrecendpla.html Most two point "carry slings" are useless. V-Tac slings are much better if you want a two-point. http://www.vikingtactics.com/ForSale/VTAC%20Sling%20Installation.htm" While his applications are going to be geared toward more of a urban tactical/police enviroment which most of use do not do, he does bust down doors for a living, owns 3-4 AK's, and teaches one of his entry team classes with his personal AR...so I trust his judgement. Almost forgot, three point slings he says are too cumbersome for tactical use and they cover the bolt release, as posted above, so they might hinder in an emergency reload situation. |
| I went with the CQB solutions single point sling with the "emergency release buckle". All I had to was remove my stock and place the GG&G single point sling adapter between the stock and the receiver. Took about 5 minutes to install. I have used a buddy 3-point sling and I like the single point for the same reasons mentioned in above posts. HTH. |
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If all you need is some way to catch the weapon when you transition to a sidearm, then get the single-point. If what you want is something to make it more comfortable to patrol with for hours/days, get the 3-point. But get one that has a release fitting so you can go prone, etc. without having to pull an arm out. You may have to compromise. Where I train we run a hot range and 3-point slings must be adjusted so they hang pretty much straight down. At that rate you might as well run a single-point. Finally, consider that a 3-point is functionally just a 2-point where the forward attachment is near the rear of the handguard. Since you have a rail system you can simply add an attachment point and use a 2-point sling. |
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I can def say then I've narrowed down the options. I'm going with a single point style sling. The ability to use both shoulders along with the simpler design seals the deal for me. Now that's out of the way. HST and Mount sling from CQB solutions? I really like the idea of the quick release on the MOUNT sling, but have read complaints about the extra webbing tab making the gun ride to low when transitioning. Anyone have any problems? |
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I went with the CQB MOUT and GG&G single point plate on my entry 870 (I know, not an AR). Unfortunately as CQB didn't get my order shipped for a month I used a length of 1.25" OD webbing with a water knot for an improvised single point system at a recent adv tactics class. Offside transitions aren't a problem with repetitions for muscle memory, and it drops to offside hang in a muzzle safe way for transitions to strong side sidearm draw. I *like* the MOUT, and bought an extra gun-side connector assembly for my AR (when I get a build together). If you go single point, get used to either kicking your gun if you have to move fast, or sweeping it behind you making access that much slower. Having said all that, an instructor / tac-member friend doesn't train offside transitions, instead keeping it simple and instructing angles etc, and doesn't like single points for the lack of weapon stability when slung. Buy both and report back :) |
| I'm runninga ZM weapons Bungee sling with a DPMS reciever plate with the small hole on the bottom as opposed to the longer plate that the whole sling slides through. Makes it easier to work the charging handle with a Badger tac latch. The Bungee makes it much easier to transition to both shoulders also allows for a shorter sling. |
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Ed Verduca over at GRSC ([url]www.snapsling.com[/url]) has some great adapters for very reasonable prices. Here are some pic's of his new "universal" adapter on my AR (it's not shown yet on his web site). It's ambi and can accept either a hook or webbing attachment. [img]http://home.comcast.net/~rocketscienceracing/adapters/left.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~rocketscienceracing/adapters/right.jpg[/img] The MOUT sling seems overly complex. Buy some nice 1.5" webbing and a tri-glide from CQB Sol. and just make a loop. Then throw an HK snap-hook on there (you can get them from Adrenaline Arms on the EE), or if you want super quick-release a snap-shackle like on the Chalker rig (available at any boating store). |
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Quoted: Now that's out of the way. HST and Mount sling from CQB solutions? I really like the idea of the quick release on the MOUNT sling, but have read complaints about the extra webbing tab making the gun ride to low when transitioning. Anyone have any problems? About 5 posts down: [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=19&t=182016]HSTS vs MOUT[/url] Me, I think the MOUT hangs too low [;)] |
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