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Posted: 1/3/2021 5:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the 2x with a full field of view. the reticle is very easy to see. I took this picture at dusk https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Scale_Adjusted_Actual_Image_seen_TA45_an-1382011.jpg atually went out and did some drills last night with my 2X. I do like it, but I wish there was a holdover for close up shots like the eotech has. I would rather have that than 500 yard hold overs. shooting 500 yards with a 2X is kinda pointless. although I did take some shots at 513 yards with it and it was pretty close. I found the middle of the ranging lines was about right for 7 yard holdover, but those aren't illuminated. I can see the merit of the ACSS reticule on a LPVO especially a 1-6 or higher, but on a fixed 1 or 2X I think the eotech reticule would be better. maybe the one with a few dots as well. having said all that, I like mine and wont be selling it. Its on my main 16" goto AR. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:32:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if you scale the bottom image to be about 15% smaller than the top image than thats about the 2x reticule. at least on my 24" 1080 monitor. atually went out and did some drills last night with my 2X. I do like it, but I wish there was a holdover for close up shots like the eotech has. I would rather have that than 500 yard hold overs. shooting 500 yards with a 2X is kinda pointless. although I did take some shots at 513 yards with it and it was pretty close. I found the middle of the ranging lines was about right for 7 yard holdover, but those aren't illuminated. I can see the merit of the ACSS reticule on a LPVO especially a 1-6 or higher, but on a fixed 1 or 2X I think the eotech reticule would be better. maybe the one with a few dots as well. having said all that, I like mine and wont be selling it. Its on my main 16" goto AR. If you want close range holdovers you need a Swampfox Blade. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:51:11 PM EDT
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atually went out and did some drills last night with my 2X. I do like it, but I wish there was a holdover for close up shots like the eotech has. I would rather have that than 500 yard hold overs. shooting 500 yards with a 2X is kinda pointless. although I did take some shots at 513 yards with it and it was pretty close. I found the middle of the ranging lines was about right for 7 yard holdover, but those aren't illuminated. I can see the merit of the ACSS reticule on a LPVO especially a 1-6 or higher, but on a fixed 1 or 2X I think the eotech reticule would be better. maybe the one with a few dots as well. For those times you are trying to decide whether to shoot him in the bridge of the nose or the tip of the nose? 
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:41:04 PM EDT
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The photos are scaled so that the images are the proper sizes for 1.5x compared to 2x. What you see is how they each appear to the viewer looking at the same object at the same distance.
Note that the field of view on the 2x is fricking huge compared to the ACOG |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 10:07:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the eye relief like on it? Engineers rate it at 3.6" but it is incredibly forgiving. You can push it much farther out. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 10:27:56 AM EDT
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By changing the zero distance the reticle will appear much larger than current 1X
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Posted: 1/4/2021 11:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Note that the field of view on the 2x is fricking huge compared to the ACOG |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 11:13:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Engineers rate it at 3.6" but it is incredibly forgiving. You can push it much farther out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's the eye relief like on it? Engineers rate it at 3.6" but it is incredibly forgiving. You can push it much farther out.   Attached FileIn green, please and thank you 
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Posted: 1/5/2021 12:07:09 AM EDT
[#9]
Please tell me this optic will feature the new logo, it’s a fantastic update.
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Posted: 1/5/2021 6:13:02 AM EDT
[#10]
Is it time for the pre-order yet?!
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Posted: 1/5/2021 8:08:17 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me this optic will feature the new logo, it’s a fantastic update. New, as in not the goofy Algerian font??? It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 9:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New, as in not the goofy Algerian font??? It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please tell me this optic will feature the new logo, it’s a fantastic update. New, as in not the goofy Algerian font??? It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... Very much this haha |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 10:26:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very much this haha Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please tell me this optic will feature the new logo, it’s a fantastic update. New, as in not the goofy Algerian font??? It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... Very much this haha There have been a few PA threads over the years with lots of logo suggestions. Even a font change to something more professional / less cheesy would have made a big difference. https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/Primary-Arms-Logo-Font/325-288951/ |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 11:27:25 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me this optic will feature the new logo, it’s a fantastic update. YES IT HAS THE NEW LOGO  
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Posted: 1/5/2021 11:38:08 AM EDT
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Can you post a pic of the reticle, looking through the tube?
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Posted: 1/5/2021 11:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you post a pic of the reticle, looking through the tube? I will get some taken |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 5:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will get some taken You are the best. Thanks for keeping us updated. Please let us know when order/pre order will be available. Definitely putting in an order. |
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Posted: 1/5/2021 7:37:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are the best. Thanks for keeping us updated. Please let us know when order/pre order will be available. Definitely putting in an order. And ditto again. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:52:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you post a pic of the reticle, looking through the tube? Cyclops 2 for 5.56/.308/5.45  New 9mm Gemini  |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:00:53 AM EDT
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Is this a true 1x or a 1.1 etc.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:09:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a true 1x or a 1.1 etc. Actual eye relief (where you mount it) and the diopter adjustment for your individual vision have a lot to do with the final apparent magnification. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cyclops 2 for 5.56/.308/5.45 https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/bb190/marsh2001/Cyclops_G2-1xMP_Unilluminated.png New 9mm Gemini https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/bb190/marsh2001/Gemini-1xMP_illuminated.png Thank you |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actual eye relief (where you mount it) and the diopter adjustment for your individual vision have a lot to do with the final apparent magnification. As will the distance to the target to some extent. I have yet to have an optic other than a RDS that has perfect 1x, nor have I had a problem shooting with them. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cyclops 2 for 5.56/.308/5.45 https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/bb190/marsh2001/Cyclops_G2-1xMP_Unilluminated.png New 9mm Gemini https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/bb190/marsh2001/Gemini-1xMP_illuminated.png  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actual eye relief (where you mount it) and the diopter adjustment for your individual vision have a lot to do with the final apparent magnification. A lot of work went into this all new optical system to make this a true red dot alternative. I think we succeeded. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of work went into this all new optical system to make this a true red dot alternative. I think we succeeded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actual eye relief (where you mount it) and the diopter adjustment for your individual vision have a lot to do with the final apparent magnification. A lot of work went into this all new optical system to make this a true red dot alternative. I think we succeeded. I'm sure i will end up with one or more...  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 5:03:27 PM EDT
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I need this optic yesterday. And the 9mm the day before.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 8:35:16 PM EDT
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Is this going to be the only reticle?
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Posted: 1/6/2021 8:44:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this going to be the only reticle? At launch the two reticles posted above wil be available in red and green |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:36:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of work went into this all new optical system to make this a true red dot alternative. I think we succeeded. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 9:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of work went into this all new optical system to make this a true red dot alternative. I think we succeeded. If this is indeed intended to be a red dot alternative, I think a dot reticle should be considered. Perhaps with a circle around it, and maybe some BDC but not really necessary with a 50/200 zero. |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 10:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... Ok....good....I'm not the only one that thought using a Windows font for a logo was cheesy. (Sorry Marshall....lol) |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 1:02:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is indeed intended to be a red dot alternative, I think a dot reticle should be considered. Perhaps with a circle around it, and maybe some BDC but not really necessary with a 50/200 zero. Ehh, vortex makes that. It should be a simple 2moa dot, or an improved / bigger version like they are doing. Looking forward to it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 2:10:08 AM EDT
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I have been waiting for a 1x prism in 1x since the cyclops was announced, never really liked the small size of the cyclops reticle. I'm so glad this is a thing now! I've never pre-ordered anything before. This will be a first for me!
Will the illumination system be the updated version? I heard the new illumination on the green cyclops is really bright, as opposed to the early cyclops sights. Hoping this gets bright too. I think, in order for this to truly be a RDS killer, we need unapologetic daylight brightness! Another thing I'm curious about is how obstructive the illumination knob is. I'm hoping it's not a giant clonker that obstructs the otherwise rapid 1x view. Is this a 16mm or 20mm sight? |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 4:37:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been waiting for a 1x prism in 1x since the cyclops was announced, never really liked the small size of the cyclops reticle. I'm so glad this is a thing now! I've never pre-ordered anything before. This will be a first for me! Will the illumination system be the updated version? I heard the new illumination on the green cyclops is really bright, as opposed to the early cyclops sights. Hoping this gets bright too. I think, in order for this to truly be a RDS killer, we need unapologetic daylight brightness! Another thing I'm curious about is how obstructive the illumination knob is. I'm hoping it's not a giant clonker that obstructs the otherwise rapid 1x view. Is this a 16mm or 20mm sight? previously mentioned website says 1x17mm |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 12:28:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: previously mentioned website says 1x17mm Link to pre-order? |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 2:18:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to pre-order? None that I know of yet  I've resorted to checking their websites several times a day in the hopes that I won't miss it.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 2:33:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Pre ordering should be available around the time of Shot Show
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Posted: 1/7/2021 9:00:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok....good....I'm not the only one that thought using a Windows font for a logo was cheesy. (Sorry Marshall....lol) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's about time, the PA logo alone takes a good product and makes it look cheaper... Ok....good....I'm not the only one that thought using a Windows font for a logo was cheesy. (Sorry Marshall....lol) You must have missed the logo change announcement. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/NEW-LOGO/325-298068/ |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 9:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must have missed the logo change announcement. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/NEW-LOGO/325-298068/ It was actually posted in this thread 8 minutes before that thread was made. |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 10:24:23 AM EDT
[#41]
Very much looking forward to this. I’ve been working my way through sights and so far the Holosun has appeared the clearest to my astigmatism afflicted eyes. The MRO HD was next on my list, but depending on the actual release, this may jump to the top.
Also great to come across this after my disappointment in Vortex’s newest release. It’s too bad they didn’t update the 1x spitfire when they designed their new magnified prisms. |
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Posted: 1/8/2021 12:11:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very much looking forward to this. I’ve been working my way through sights and so far the Holosun has appeared the clearest to my astigmatism afflicted eyes. The MRO HD was next on my list, but depending on the actual release, this may jump to the top. Also great to come across this after my disappointment in Vortex’s newest release. It’s too bad they didn’t update the 1x spitfire when they designed their new magnified prisms. I like the Spitfire 1x. Simple reticle without ranging markers I don't need from 50-200yds. The Bushnell lil' P is smaller than the new PA offering, it has a busier reticle than Spitfire, but still useable fron 50-200. It can be had for 149.00 at Natchez, and has a lifetime warranty, and 50k hour battery life. |
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Posted: 1/9/2021 11:58:40 AM EDT
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Looks like a winner. Pic of the actual reticle reminds me more of my 2x which is perfect. Cyclops I have is nice, but I did always find the reticle to be too small for my eyes regardless of diopter adjustment. Looking forward to being able to buy a few.
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Posted: 1/9/2021 3:57:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As will the distance to the target to some extent. I have yet to have an optic other than a RDS that has perfect 1x, nor have I had a problem shooting with them. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 10:20:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the Spitfire 1x. Simple reticle without ranging markers I don't need from 50-200yds. The Bushnell lil' P is smaller than the new PA offering, it has a busier reticle than Spitfire, but still useable fron 50-200. It can be had for 149.00 at Natchez, and has a lifetime warranty, and 50k hour battery life. The Bushnell might be a decent value for that price. That is a close out because it has been discontinued. It set the standard for size but the tradeoff was too high. It did not perform as well as the other 1X prisms (Vortex, Swampfox, our Cyclops). Our new from the ground up optical system does and beyond. It is far more red dot like and has crazy forgiving eye relief. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 10:41:28 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bushnell might be a decent value for that price. That is a close out because it has been discontinued. It set the standard for size but the tradeoff was too high. It did not perform as well as the other 1X prisms (Vortex, Swampfox, our Cyclops). Our new from the ground up optical system does and beyond. It is far more red dot like and has crazy forgiving eye relief. I am ready Marsh and hope to be first in the preorder list. As much as I like the glx 2x, this should be a home run for me. I look forward to not seeing smears when trying to take precise dots. ETA : that comment in reference to every red dot I have tried not to the GLX 2X which is literally fantastic. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:13:14 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bushnell might be a decent value for that price. That is a close out because it has been discontinued. It set the standard for size but the tradeoff was too high. It did not perform as well as the other 1X prisms (Vortex, Swampfox, our Cyclops). Our new from the ground up optical system does and beyond. It is far more red dot like and has crazy forgiving eye relief. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like the Spitfire 1x. Simple reticle without ranging markers I don't need from 50-200yds. The Bushnell lil' P is smaller than the new PA offering, it has a busier reticle than Spitfire, but still useable fron 50-200. It can be had for 149.00 at Natchez, and has a lifetime warranty, and 50k hour battery life. The Bushnell might be a decent value for that price. That is a close out because it has been discontinued. It set the standard for size but the tradeoff was too high. It did not perform as well as the other 1X prisms (Vortex, Swampfox, our Cyclops). Our new from the ground up optical system does and beyond. It is far more red dot like and has crazy forgiving eye relief. Thanks for the reply, Marsh. I have a few of your offerings, and they have worked out great including an early red dot that still works fine. I may drop the hammer on this new 1x. I really like the spitfire, but would prefer a smaller and lighter package. |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 2:37:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote History@MARSH1 Just want to say I dig the new logo! It was about time you guys changed it looks much better than the old logo. |
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Posted: 1/12/2021 11:18:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the reply, Marsh. I have a few of your offerings, and they have worked out great including an early red dot that still works fine. I may drop the hammer on this new 1x. I really like the spitfire, but would prefer a smaller and lighter package. We started with a clean slate and said how small can you make a optic that will perform to these parameters. I think we nailed it with the new Micro 1X and 3X (more info on 3X shortly). |
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Posted: 1/12/2021 11:23:15 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We started with a clean slate and said how small can you make a optic that will perform to these parameters. I think we nailed it with the new Micro 1X and 3X (more info on 3X shortly). Attached File |
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