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Quoted: Quoted: Took my Gemini versions out. With my 22LR M&P 15-22 pistol the 200 yard dot was right on after zeroing. Fun to just carefree plink with 22LR and ping steel at 200. Just using my stockpile of Remington Golden Bullet. |
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Quoted: Quoted: When were these released? Or, how far back in thread do I need to go to start reading from people actually having these in hand? Page 10 ETA: Joined the email notification for when it is back in stock. |
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So as noted several pages back, I'm looking thru the thread on the GLx 2x
Question, what is the distinction/difference between the SLx line and the GLx line? |
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slx is made in china. Glx in Phillipines. Glx will have better glass quality. maybe other stuff but dunno.
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Quoted: My placement allows BUIS use when 3x is fliped to side. I use the SLx straight spacer for all 3 prisms. I also have no issues with magnification or shifts when 3x is flipped to side. Troy BUIS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0833_jpg-2156478.JPG Knights https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0901_jpg-2156482.JPG Griffin https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0985_jpg-2156496.JPG View Quote 1st post from a new owner and want to say thanks for your input in this thread. The info swayed me to the SLx 1x with 3x magnifier. PA owes you a commission! I got the AR last week and have been deciding on optics. As a 1st time owner there's information overload when it comes to optics, so I've been reading through lots of information on this site. I was set on a RDS, narrowed down to the SLx-25, HS503G, or Romeo4H but then came across this thread. I now decided on the SLx Micro Prism + SLx Micro Magnifier combo. Luckily OpticsPlanet had one last green prism in stock and PA had the magnifier. While considering a RDS, I wanted absolute cowitness with my Magpul BUIS, but it makes sense I may not need to consider this due to the etched reticle of the micro prism. That said, how do your BUIS align within your setups ... did you zero the BUIS with the optics removed? If so, does that cause them to center align with a lower 3rd cowitness in the prism when the 3x is swung to the side? No issue with windage alignment? I'm debating on removing mine from the rail after reading the info in this thread ... Although if they can still be used through the 1x, I see no reason and may just leave them on. |
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Quoted: 1st post from a new owner and want to say thanks for your input in this thread. The info swayed me to the SLx 1x with 3x magnifier. PA owes you a commission! I got the AR last week and have been deciding on optics. As a 1st time owner there's information overload when it comes to optics, so I've been reading through lots of information on this site. I was set on a RDS, narrowed down to the SLx-25, HS503G, or Romeo4H but then came across this thread. I now decided on the SLx Micro Prism + SLx Micro Magnifier combo. Luckily OpticsPlanet had one last green prism in stock and PA had the magnifier. While considering a RDS, I wanted absolute cowitness with my Magpul BUIS, but it makes sense I may not need to consider this due to the etched reticle of the micro prism. That said, how do your BUIS align within your setups ... did you zero the BUIS with the optics removed? If so, does that cause them to center align with a lower 3rd cowitness in the prism when the 3x is swung to the side? No issue with windage alignment? I'm debating on removing mine from the rail after reading the info in this thread ... Although if they can still be used through the 1x, I see no reason and may just leave them on. View Quote Glad to have helped. What I have learned is that the prism shifts the light the way a red dot does not. My BUIS is only accurate if used in the configuration I utilized when I zeroed it. That is, if I zeroed the BUIS thru the 1x prism it seems to work fine as long as I use it thru the prism. If I remove the prism and just use the buis, the poi shifts. On the other hand, if I zero the BUIS without the prism mounted, the poi shifts if I then mount the 1x prism and aim thru it with the buis. What I first noticed was when co-witnessed thru the 1x, the rear BUIS was cranked almost all the way to the left. When zeroing without the 1x mounted, the rear sight was pretty much centered on my rail. So, I zero my BUIS without the 1x prism and here is why: Because of the etched reticle, if I have a problem that still allows me to use the prism, I don't need the BUIS. If something so sever happens to the 1x that I can't see thru it, I need to remove it anyway but can use the accurately zeroed BUIS. |
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Quoted: Glad to have helped. What I have learned is that the prism shifts the light the way a red dot does not. My BUIS is only accurate if used in the configuration I utilized when I zeroed it. That is, if I zeroed the BUIS thru the 1x prism it seems to work fine as long as I use it thru the prism. If I remove the prism and just use the buis, the poi shifts. On the other hand, if I zero the BUIS without the prism mounted, the poi shifts if I then mount the 1x prism and aim thru it with the buis. What I first noticed was when co-witnessed thru the 1x, the rear BUIS was cranked almost all the way to the left. When zeroing without the 1x mounted, the rear sight was pretty much centered on my rail. So, I zero my BUIS without the 1x prism and here is why: Because of the etched reticle, if I have a problem that still allows me to use the prism, I don't need the BUIS. If something so sever happens to the 1x that I can't see thru it, I need to remove it anyway but can use the accurately zeroed BUIS. View Quote Thanks, I figured the angle of the glass in the 1x prism would cause interference with the BUIS alignment, but wasn't sure since Marsh mentioned cowitness is possible through it. It makes sense the BUIS could be zero'ed though the 1x, but then be off without it and visa-versa though. I like your approach of zeroing the BUIS without any optics, having them function as true backup sights; considering the 1x is etched. |
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Quoted: Thanks, I figured the angle of the glass in the 1x prism would cause interference with the BUIS alignment, but wasn't sure since Marsh mentioned cowitness is possible through it. It makes sense the BUIS could be zero'ed though the 1x, but then be off without it and visa-versa though. I like your approach of zeroing the BUIS without any optics, having them function as true backup sights; considering the 1x is etched. View Quote Thanks. I had to return 1 of my 1x prisms to PA for a warranty repair (they replaced it and I had it back in a week or so). While it was gone, I still had a functioning, zeroed carbine because I had zeroed the BUIS without the prism mounted. |
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Quoted: Thanks. I had to return 1 of my 1x prisms to PA for a warranty repair (they replaced it and I had it back in a week or so). While it was gone, I still had a functioning, zeroed carbine because I had zeroed the BUIS without the prism mounted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Thanks, I figured the angle of the glass in the 1x prism would cause interference with the BUIS alignment, but wasn't sure since Marsh mentioned cowitness is possible through it. It makes sense the BUIS could be zero'ed though the 1x, but then be off without it and visa-versa though. I like your approach of zeroing the BUIS without any optics, having them function as true backup sights; considering the 1x is etched. Thanks. I had to return 1 of my 1x prisms to PA for a warranty repair (they replaced it and I had it back in a week or so). While it was gone, I still had a functioning, zeroed carbine because I had zeroed the BUIS without the prism mounted. Honestly there's no harm in having a cheap set of mbus or utg accusync sights on your rifle. They don't cost much and they weigh next to nothing. Worst case scenario all you have to do is take something off of the wrench. Or you just use a QD mount. |
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Quoted: Thanks. I had to return 1 of my 1x prisms to PA for a warranty repair (they replaced it and I had it back in a week or so). While it was gone, I still had a functioning, zeroed carbine because I had zeroed the BUIS without the prism mounted. View Quote Out of pure curiosity, what went wrong to cause the return? |
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Quoted: Out of pure curiosity, what went wrong to cause the return? View Quote The shake-awake feature became erratic. Sometimes the motion required to wake it up was much more than the normal small movement required when it was new or compared to my other 2 SLx 1x prisms. I was outside the 90-day "100% satisfaction" window so I had to pay for shipping to PA. They examined it, decided it was not repairable and shipped me a brand-new replacement on their dime. Total time without the scope was about 2 weeks or so. No complaints at all about PA CS. |
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45 Degree Folding Irons are my choice if you have the space/setup that accommodates them. If you stick with the Bolt-On PA mount, and have a catastrophic optic failure, you ain't using standard BUIS - fast. If you go to an ADM QD mount, then that's fine too. Just my preference, and something to consider, with this 'BUIS through Prism' quirk. My 6ARC, that needs to fit in a Scabbard, has them. My other stuff is 45 degree Red Dots.
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These are amazing and would replace all my 1x optics, except that the reticle is blazing bright from the objective side. Not a big deal for a range gun or an HD optic, but it's a pretty big disadvantage if you wanted to remain hidden using the optic at night.
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Quoted: 45 Degree Folding Irons are my choice if you have the space/setup that accommodates them. If you stick with the Bolt-On PA mount, and have a catastrophic optic failure, you ain't using standard BUIS - fast. If you go to an ADM QD mount, then that's fine too. Just my preference, and something to consider, with this 'BUIS through Prism' quirk. My 6ARC, that needs to fit in a Scabbard, has them. My other stuff is 45 degree Red Dots. View Quote This is what I've done. |
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Quoted: These are amazing and would replace all my 1x optics, except that the reticle is blazing bright from the objective side. Not a big deal for a range gun or an HD optic, but it's a pretty big disadvantage if you wanted to remain hidden using the optic at night. https://youtube.com/shorts/LdDGJQBAjpc?feature=share View Quote Just curious, if you have NVG’s wouldn’t the night vision setting on them reduce that visibility tremendously? Way I see it, if your enemy has night vision and you don’t, you’re already at a tremendous disadvantage. If you had night vision you wouldn’t be using that level of brightness. But you have a good point. I wish PA would get away from horseshoes but it seems they’re unwilling to do so. With that massive reticle comes tons more ambient light. |
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Quoted: Just curious, if you have NVG’s wouldn’t the night vision setting on them reduce that visibility tremendously? Way I see it, if your enemy has night vision and you don’t, you’re already at a tremendous disadvantage. If you had night vision you wouldn’t be using that level of brightness. But you have a good point. I wish PA would get away from horseshoes but it seems they’re unwilling to do so. With that massive reticle comes tons more ambient light. View Quote The thing is, if I know my enemy doesn't have NV, I will just use active aiming with IR. The only reason to go passive is if you are facing someone with NV. You can see the NV settings from the front easily through the NV too, negating the advantage quite a bit. I would pay 2x the price for one of these if it had a diffractive reticle or powered fiber optics so that the light wasn't projected forward. |
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Quoted: Just curious, if you have NVG's wouldn't the night vision setting on them reduce that visibility tremendously? Way I see it, if your enemy has night vision and you don't, you're already at a tremendous disadvantage. If you had night vision you wouldn't be using that level of brightness. But you have a good point. I wish PA would get away from horseshoes but it seems they're unwilling to do so. With that massive reticle comes tons more ambient light. View Quote again nitpicking. sigh |
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Quoted: kinda curious if other optics have this issue? I suspect yes. If not what is their price range? Starting to see nitpicking. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I would pay 2x the price for one of these if it had a diffractive reticle or powered fiber optics so that the light wasn't projected forward. Starting to see nitpicking. Its not "nitpicking." It is an issue that keeps it from being appropriate for my use case, which is generally nighttime focused and is a dealbreaker for that use. People will buy these to replace red dots not realizing the downside and people with my use case will want to know. Not such a big deal if you shoot during the day. Its not even a "flaw" at the price point, just a downside to the tech used. Optics that don't do this: -Red dots and holographics , even 30$ ones off amazon. -LVPOs/prisims with diffractive reticles or fiberoptics Optics that do: Many LVPOs Overall, I love the optic which is exactly why I would pay double or even near acog prices for a 1x prism that didn't project light forward. It would likely replace all my 1x optics. If you only shoot daytime, you likely won't care. I am keeping mine and using it on my competition PCC. I like the horseshoe as well. It would work better for me if it was etched without being lit, due to above. |
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Quoted: Its not "nitpicking." It is an issue that keeps it from being appropriate for my use case, which is generally nighttime focused and is a dealbreaker for that use. People will buy these to replace red dots not realizing the downside and people with my use case will want to know. Not such a big deal if you shoot during the day. Its not even a "flaw" at the price point, just a downside to the tech used. Optics that don't do this: -Red dots and holographics , even 30$ ones off amazon. -LVPOs/prisims with diffractive reticles or fiberoptics Optics that do: Many LVPOs Overall, I love the optic which is exactly why I would pay double or even near acog prices for a 1x prism that didn't project light forward. It would likely replace all my 1x optics. If you only shoot daytime, you likely won't care. I am keeping mine and using it on my competition PCC. I like the horseshoe as well. It would work better for me if it was etched without being lit, due to above. View Quote |
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Quoted: Like what you like but don't expect others to cowtow to your desires. Don't like it don't buy it. Don't expect them to change for you. Moving on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sorry. I forgot having options and not liking what you like are bad things? I do think people expressing what they would like helps companies in the long run. Long story short, this pretty much happened in one thread: Multiple People: "The Reticle on the Cyclops is too small" That one guy: "Nah it's fine. Get eye surgery scrub" Sometime Later PA:"We have made the reticle bigger on the Gen 2" Ironically the reticle on the 1x is still too small for my preferences. However it's the perfect size on the 3x. It's constructive, even if it's negative. |
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Quoted: These are amazing and would replace all my 1x optics, except that the reticle is blazing bright from the objective side. Not a big deal for a range gun or an HD optic, but it's a pretty big disadvantage if you wanted to remain hidden using the optic at night. https://youtube.com/shorts/LdDGJQBAjpc?feature=share View Quote Does the anti reflective cap help at all with this issue? https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-1x-micropris-anti-reflection-device |
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No, those only help with external specular reflections off the coating when viewed from an angle. I tested a killflash and it does nothing, unfortunately!
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I have a question: Has anyone actually taken the 1x, at power level 2 (best for naked eye use in the dark), and placed it where they can walk back 10/20/30 yards, and see if it is detectable? Then done the same with NODs? I suspect, based on my indoor basement testing at a max range of about 20 *feet* - that this is overblown... but I'll reserve judgement until *it stops f'ng snowing in April* and I test as above. I do know, that a 40mm Head on a 7,000mW IR LED (Red Glow) is undetectable once you hit about 80 yards. It'll be interesting to test this in the real world - my test at 20 feet, indicated that unless you had the Chevron on a person's eyeball, they weren't seeing anything.
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I’m wanting to use my Slx 1X micro prism with a Vortex Micro3x magnifier that will be at lower 1/3 height. Does anyone know what ADM mount (if any) will work with my optic to get me to Vortex’s lower 1/3 height? Would the AD-B2 with the riser included with the optic get me to lower 1/3?
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Quoted: But that's part of my point. 1x with a 400yd bdc doesn't make much sense. This doesn't even account for the target being obscured unless you are shooting at something the size of a house. View Quote That should work just fine. The old school Aimpoint 4MOA dot is usable for ranging and holdover for ~400 yards. The problem with 1x is locating and ID'ing the target, not hitting it. |
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Quoted: I’m wanting to use my Slx 1X micro prism with a Vortex Micro3x magnifier that will be at lower 1/3 height. Does anyone know what ADM mount (if any) will work with my optic to get me to Vortex’s lower 1/3 height? Would the AD-B2 with the riser included with the optic get me to lower 1/3? View Quote Have you tired the magnifier with the prism to see if they will even work with your eyes? The vortex mount and primary arms magnifier mount are the same but the inner groove that indexes the mount is ever so slighly smaller on the primary arms vs the vortex. I had to file the inside edges of the magnifier riser plate to work. |
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I’ve been using one of these for around 2 months now. It went on my lightweight, no frills, non night vision capable, throw and go 10.5.
While it’s not what I’d call awesome, I really like it. Especially when factoring in price. Up close (5-50 yards) I’m just a tiny bit slower than I am with an Aimpoint micro. That probably has more to do with familiarity and I’m sure the gap will shrink. I really like the reticle for up close work. Using the space between the bottom of the horse shoe as an aiming point is spot on from 0-20 yards. That’s using the 1.93 riser height with a 50 yard zero. It seems to hold zero. I don’t beat my guns but I don’t baby them. They often ride around in the ranger or truck bed. I had concerns about the factory mount since you are stacking multiple pieces depending on desired height. It’s still zeroed. The illumination is fine. Daylight bright, but I’ve noticed it can appear to be uneven in certain lighting conditions. It threw me off a couple times shooting today. The main negative I’ve noticed is that the glass seems to struggle a bit when looking into shaded or unlit areas. I had a little trouble picking up a steel torso under a large tree at 100 and 200 yards. I have no problem making quick hits on it at those distances with my CompM5. With the PA, i could not see it as well through the optic. Overall, I really like it and I’ll be holding on to it. Not every optic has to be a super operator 1,000 dollar optic. For a non magnified, lightweight ranch gun, this thing is great. |
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Im sure its possible, but at that point why not just run a 1-6 lpvo. NV i guess?
the issue i have read about with the prism+ magnifier is you have to adjust the prism to work well with the magnifier, which means its then not in focus without the magnifier. so while it works i'd say not ideal. to me the 1x MP makes sense on a pdw or short ar pistol, where you are really only ballistically effective out to a few hundred, so maginification isnt really needed. instead of the 1x+6x maybe consider the 3x MP? i put one of those on my 16" ligthweight carbine. |
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Quoted: Im sure its possible, but at that point why not just run a 1-6 lpvo. NV i guess? the issue i have read about with the prism+ magnifier is you have to adjust the prism to work well with the magnifier, which means its then not in focus without the magnifier. so while it works i'd say not ideal. to me the 1x MP makes sense on a pdw or short ar pistol, where you are really only ballistically effective out to a few hundred, so maginification isnt really needed. instead of the 1x+6x maybe consider the 3x MP? i put one of those on my 16" ligthweight carbine. View Quote My experience has been that focusing the prism without the multiplier in line then deploying and focusing the multiplier produced results that were well focused with or without the multiplier on the line of sight. YMMV. |
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Quoted: Im sure its possible, but at that point why not just run a 1-6 lpvo. NV i guess? the issue i have read about with the prism+ magnifier is you have to adjust the prism to work well with the magnifier, which means its then not in focus without the magnifier. so while it works i'd say not ideal. to me the 1x MP makes sense on a pdw or short ar pistol, where you are really only ballistically effective out to a few hundred, so maginification isnt really needed. instead of the 1x+6x maybe consider the 3x MP? i put one of those on my 16" ligthweight carbine. View Quote Quoted: My experience has been that focusing the prism without the multiplier in line then deploying and focusing the multiplier produced results that were well focused with or without the multiplier on the line of sight. YMMV. View Quote |
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Quoted: My placement allows BUIS use when 3x is fliped to side. I use the SLx straight spacer for all 3 prisms. I also have no issues with magnification or shifts when 3x is flipped to side. Troy BUIS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0833_jpg-2156478.JPG Knights https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0901_jpg-2156482.JPG Griffin https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0985_jpg-2156496.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: To my dismay, I found out that you can NOT run a set for fixed of even flip up BUIS with the Micro Prism. What are most people doing for their BUIS, something offset or buying a QD mount? My placement allows BUIS use when 3x is fliped to side. I use the SLx straight spacer for all 3 prisms. I also have no issues with magnification or shifts when 3x is flipped to side. Troy BUIS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0833_jpg-2156478.JPG Knights https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0901_jpg-2156482.JPG Griffin https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/775/IMG_0985_jpg-2156496.JPG What mounts are you using? |
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I sent a sample I bought to a YouTuber to review.
The BEST Budget ACOG: Primary Arms SLx Micro Prism ACSS Gen 2 Cyclops Had I known he was going to use a 9mm I could have sent my 9mm version. But he gets the idea. I just wish my 3x would ship. I now have 5 1x and pending the 3x. All work as intended. In fact I recently installed an adjustable gas block and it returned to zero with no adjustment. |
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I think my 2x GLX was a blem, purchased under that price reduction, and has a small spot like that in the reticle. No biggie as I use the small chevron to aim and not the big circle.
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Just a heads up. They have blems and open box options for $174.
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So looking at getting one of these, and use at 1.93 with the spacer.
Is there a way to get the 3x pegasus magnifier to a 1.94 height? |
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but I ran into an issue where I couldn't get a good focus with magnifier behind the Cyclops. Terrible blur of the image and the reticle and despite a lot of diopter adjustment, it never worked. So I decided to try it with the magnifier in front and it works. Clear without the magnifier, clear with it.
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Now I have to try that. Only problem with the new reticle is it won't be magnified with the image.
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For those having issues with the magnifier behind the prism try this out.
[youtube]shorts/oDlbPzUGbnA?feature=share[/youtube] |
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Quoted: For those having issues with the magnifier behind the prism try this out. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oDlbPzUGbnA?feature=share View Quote Video link isn't working. I might be having this problem so I'm interested to see it. |
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