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A larger and brighter reticle in the 1x model would be awesome
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Agreed. I tried the cyclopse and wanted to love it sooooo much. But no mater what I could do I could not get the reticle crisp enough to ever use it. I really want to try it again but after seeing that 2x.... olalalalalalalalalallalalala
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I don’t understand the comments about the 1x reticle being small. Adjust the diopter and mount it the proper distance from your eye and it’s fine. I also own the 2nd gen 3x and love them both. My 1x is mounted on my HD shorty AR. Works great.
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I don’t understand the comments about the 1x reticle being small. Adjust the diopter and mount it the proper distance from your eye and it’s fine. I also own the 2nd gen 3x and love them both. My 1x is mounted on my HD shorty AR. Works great. View Quote While the reticle may be in focus, the subtentions and chevron are too small to discern the spaces between them. |
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While I do love the cyclops...own two, and they have replaced my MROs on my serious guns, the ranging lines are not visible with my eyes. Not big enough of an issue for me to switch back to a red dot though.
ETA: I like setting 3 on my HD rifle. As a test I left it on that setting in May, turned it up to 4 in November to try and kill it, and just last week did it finally die. |
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Advertised reticle size compared to tube and actual size. It's too small for me https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_reticle-1168587.jpg View Quote |
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Advertised reticle size compared to tube and actual size. It's too small for me https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_reticle-1168587.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: ETA: I like setting 3 on my HD rifle. As a test I left it on that setting in May, turned it up to 4 in November to try and kill it, and just last week did it finally die. View Quote Thanks for sharing. |
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Advertised reticle size compared to tube and actual size. It's too small for me https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_reticle-1168587.jpg View Quote |
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Wow thank you. This is the exact idea I have been toying with in my head for a while. The one thing that holds me back is the weird mounting heights on this optic. I run ADM on everything and would like to basically have what you have setup here. I have never heard of that type of mount you used. I like lower 1/3. Do you think if I bought an absolute height t1 mount, it would mount it to lower 1/3? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I have no idea why PA just didn't use standard heights, although at least they got the mounting pattern right. The verbiage they use on their site is confusing. Edit: Page two of the original thread seems to have answered my question: yes. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Anyone-get-the-Primary-Arms-Cyclops-1x-Etched-Glass-ACSS-yet-/5-2132806/?page=2 Now to buy this or wait for the 2x.... View Quote |
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The blurry photo does not accurately represent the reticle. I have shitty 65 YO eyesight and once you properly adjust the diaopter the reticle is very easy to see and use. It is the same ACSS reticle we are using in the 1.5X ACOGs. View Quote I was an early adopter of the Cyclops, and the reticle is smaller and a little slower to pick up in the FOV (unless you crank up the brightness and treat it like a red dot) than i expected. It's still a good optic, and i much prefer this simpler reticle design |
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Focus is not the point. The images are not mine, both are taken from PA supplied images. the issue is the size of the reticle compared to the field of view. It's too small as it actually is, and the graphic to illustrate it is very misleading, making it appear much larger compared to the area of the tube. My suggestion way back when was to put German #4 bars around it to draw the eye to the center. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_Acss_German_4_bars-983707.jpg View Quote |
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Focus is not the point. The images are not mine, both are taken from PA supplied images. the issue is the size of the reticle compared to the field of view. It's too small as it actually is, and the graphic to illustrate it is very misleading, making it appear much larger compared to the area of the tube. My suggestion way back when was to put German #4 bars around it to draw the eye to the center. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_Acss_German_4_bars-983707.jpg View Quote |
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The size is dictated by ACSS functions BDC. Making it bigger throws both off. Thanks for being persistent on your suggestion. I will bring it up in our next planning meeting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Focus is not the point. The images are not mine, both are taken from PA supplied images. the issue is the size of the reticle compared to the field of view. It's too small as it actually is, and the graphic to illustrate it is very misleading, making it appear much larger compared to the area of the tube. My suggestion way back when was to put German #4 bars around it to draw the eye to the center. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_Acss_German_4_bars-983707.jpg |
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Advertised reticle size compared to tube and actual size. It's too small for me https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_reticle-1168587.jpg View Quote However, to be fair, the Cyclops' original purpose in life was to deal with brightly illuminated 1x without the bloom for us guys with astigmatism. The idea of a chevron aiming point is sound but at 1x, its fat/short legs don't really do much to pull your focus into the tip. If we forgo the idea of using the chevron's legs/thickness for BDC, and the horseshoe size for leads, this would change the game, meaning the horseshoe can be as big as it needs to for CQB role, and the chevron can be as skinny and long as it needs to for the longer range aiming point without looking like a blob. |
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I concur. Been there! However, to be fair, the Cyclops' original purpose in life was to deal with brightly illuminated 1x without the bloom for us guys with astigmatism. The idea of a chevron aiming point is sound but at 1x, its fat/short legs don't really do much to pull your focus into the tip. If we forgo the idea of using the chevron's legs/thickness for BDC, and the horseshoe size for leads, this would change the game, meaning the horseshoe can be as big as it needs to for CQB role, and the chevron can be as skinny and long as it needs to for the longer range aiming point without looking like a blob. View Quote Thanks!!! Marshall |
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Is it too much to ask for a 1 or 2 moa dot, or stacked dot, or triple stack? Idk, seems like to me a 1 moa prism dot (green or red) would sell like hot cakes. I'd buy one for every rifle.
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Quoted: As with any optic not every reticle is right for everyone. The optic/reticle combination have been one of our most offerings every. As I keep mentioning adjusting the diopter very carefully is critical to get a clear sight picture, the chevron is 6MOA! That said there is no reason we can't offer more than one reticle option. The next thing will be the GLX Cyclops with the same reticle and our new true daylight bright technology that will be shown at SHOT this week in the new GLX 2X. I will talk to Dimitri about working on a second Cyclops reticle with some of the feedback received. Thanks!!! Marshall View Quote The only changes I would make in the current reticle is to remove the ranging stadia and replace them with 5yd/15yd marks for very close-in shots. Tomac |
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Bullet "rise" compensators for ranges under 25 yards as opposed to bullet drop compensators for far distances is a great idea. someone else took it though.
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Looks good, I recently bought a Holosun 503R and have found the circle dot to cut down on the realistically minor astigmatism problems for me even in the low light match I used it in(which is where red dots look look the worst for me). Still though I am interested in the cyclops and the new offerings coming soon, although I wonder if I will find it as fast as a red dot. Does anybody have any comments on the their speed/effectiveness compared to a good red dot especially in low light? I have had a 2.5x ACSS for a couple years now and quite like it (my eyes are quite good besides the minor astigatism so I have really no problems making out the fine reticle on it) but have always felt that I was limited in CQB not by just the magnification but just sheer light transmission, ie I could see across a room looking through a red dot with no white light but not with the Prism.
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@Marsh1 was kind enough to send me a prototype 2x Prism sight. First thoughts: It's almost as small as my TA45 ACOG and almost as light. Much better compared to the old 2.5x Prism that I bought and sold. It seems very durable. I like the dual screw, single bar, clamping mount, that is FREE OF PROTRUDING KNOBS (thank you!). It came with three different mount height inserts meaning that there are 4 different height options. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/1E6E2079-1009-4FE2-9401-1EECC4C2647A-1242425.jpg The reticle is a bold horseshoe with a center chevron, and then two bullet drop dots which I assume are 300 and 400 yards. Ranging bars are then below this, but are not shooting holds. The Horseshoe of the reticle is big and easily seen. the center cevron and ranging stadia are still small, but that's okay. I got the diopter adjusted and the reticle is very crisp, including the fine chevron and drop dots. This blurry picture is the best I could do indoors, but it shows the proper ratio of reticle size to tube size. this is actually how big the reticle looks through the tube in person. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/808D6A1E-4960-4307-9BD7-22D6BC4BA0C9-1242541.jpg The reticle is daylight bright at full power. Here is a shot from the inside of my house to my sunny florida yard. Only the horseshoe and chevron light up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C172841F-D6A0-4916-A91B-CB42638C8F5C-1242427.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/5B2C18B1-39CB-42C8-8356-DDE144F6ED4F-1242542.jpg I zeroed it an inch low at 25 yards at a local indoor range and then took it to a 3-gun match on Saturday and did well, placing 6th out of 30. Where most people choked was at the 300 yard line. We were shooting at white steel torso and head silhouettes and one 8 inch circular gong. Lots of folks could not even see the small gong, or chased it with lots of wasted shots. With the 2x, seeing and hitting the torso plates was very easy. I took a few shots to find the hold on the 8 inch plate-just under the chevron, but then was able to drill it easily. I was using Wolf Gold ammunition. The glass is very clear. This equates to head shots at 300 yards. However, on the close quarters stages, when the targets were 10 yards or closer I was a bit disoriented with the 2x power, not as fast as with a simple red dot. maybe that's my non-stereo eyes or something that I could overcome with training. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/56ADC577-B567-4DB7-88CF-DABCA41F7CD3-1242421.jpg Eye relief was a bit short for me. Look how far back it's mounted. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C12618AB-3E02-44FA-8628-DAF4158342CD-1242422.jpg I Like it. Good Job PA View Quote But an eye relief that more closely matches their 2.5x and 3x as opposed to their 1x Cyclops' is worrying. I guess we'll just have to wait for the final specs. Also, for those super close in shots, crank the brightness up and forget about seeing the reticle or anything through the tube really, pretend it's just a red dot. |
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@Marsh1 was kind enough to send me a prototype 2x Prism sight. First thoughts: It's almost as small as my TA45 ACOG and almost as light. Much better compared to the old 2.5x Prism that I bought and sold. It seems very durable. I like the dual screw, single bar, clamping mount, that is FREE OF PROTRUDING KNOBS (thank you!). It came with three different mount height inserts meaning that there are 4 different height options. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/1E6E2079-1009-4FE2-9401-1EECC4C2647A-1242425.jpg The reticle is a bold horseshoe with a center chevron, and then two bullet drop dots which I assume are 300 and 400 yards. Ranging bars are then below this, but are not shooting holds. The Horseshoe of the reticle is big and easily seen. the center cevron and ranging stadia are still small, but that's okay. I got the diopter adjusted and the reticle is very crisp, including the fine chevron and drop dots. This blurry picture is the best I could do indoors, but it shows the proper ratio of reticle size to tube size. this is actually how big the reticle looks through the tube in person. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/808D6A1E-4960-4307-9BD7-22D6BC4BA0C9-1242541.jpg The reticle is daylight bright at full power. Here is a shot from the inside of my house to my sunny florida yard. Only the horseshoe and chevron light up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C172841F-D6A0-4916-A91B-CB42638C8F5C-1242427.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/5B2C18B1-39CB-42C8-8356-DDE144F6ED4F-1242542.jpg I zeroed it an inch low at 25 yards at a local indoor range and then took it to a 3-gun match on Saturday and did well, placing 6th out of 30. Where most people choked was at the 300 yard line. We were shooting at white steel torso and head silhouettes and one 8 inch circular gong. Lots of folks could not even see the small gong, or chased it with lots of wasted shots. With the 2x, seeing and hitting the torso plates was very easy. I took a few shots to find the hold on the 8 inch plate-just under the chevron, but then was able to drill it easily. I was using Wolf Gold ammunition. The glass is very clear. This equates to head shots at 300 yards. However, on the close quarters stages, when the targets were 10 yards or closer I was a bit disoriented with the 2x power, not as fast as with a simple red dot. maybe that's my non-stereo eyes or something that I could overcome with training. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/56ADC577-B567-4DB7-88CF-DABCA41F7CD3-1242421.jpg Eye relief was a bit short for me. Look how far back it's mounted. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C12618AB-3E02-44FA-8628-DAF4158342CD-1242422.jpg I Like it. Good Job PA View Quote |
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Sweet! But an eye relief that more closely matches their 2.5x and 3x as opposed to their 1x Cyclops' is worrying. I guess we'll just have to wait for the final specs. Also, for those super close in shots, crank the brightness up and forget about seeing the reticle or anything through the tube really, pretend it's just a red dot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Marsh1 was kind enough to send me a prototype 2x Prism sight. First thoughts: It's almost as small as my TA45 ACOG and almost as light. Much better compared to the old 2.5x Prism that I bought and sold. It seems very durable. I like the dual screw, single bar, clamping mount, that is FREE OF PROTRUDING KNOBS (thank you!). It came with three different mount height inserts meaning that there are 4 different height options. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/1E6E2079-1009-4FE2-9401-1EECC4C2647A-1242425.jpg The reticle is a bold horseshoe with a center chevron, and then two bullet drop dots which I assume are 300 and 400 yards. Ranging bars are then below this, but are not shooting holds. The Horseshoe of the reticle is big and easily seen. the center cevron and ranging stadia are still small, but that's okay. I got the diopter adjusted and the reticle is very crisp, including the fine chevron and drop dots. This blurry picture is the best I could do indoors, but it shows the proper ratio of reticle size to tube size. this is actually how big the reticle looks through the tube in person. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/808D6A1E-4960-4307-9BD7-22D6BC4BA0C9-1242541.jpg The reticle is daylight bright at full power. Here is a shot from the inside of my house to my sunny florida yard. Only the horseshoe and chevron light up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C172841F-D6A0-4916-A91B-CB42638C8F5C-1242427.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/5B2C18B1-39CB-42C8-8356-DDE144F6ED4F-1242542.jpg I zeroed it an inch low at 25 yards at a local indoor range and then took it to a 3-gun match on Saturday and did well, placing 6th out of 30. Where most people choked was at the 300 yard line. We were shooting at white steel torso and head silhouettes and one 8 inch circular gong. Lots of folks could not even see the small gong, or chased it with lots of wasted shots. With the 2x, seeing and hitting the torso plates was very easy. I took a few shots to find the hold on the 8 inch plate-just under the chevron, but then was able to drill it easily. I was using Wolf Gold ammunition. The glass is very clear. This equates to head shots at 300 yards. However, on the close quarters stages, when the targets were 10 yards or closer I was a bit disoriented with the 2x power, not as fast as with a simple red dot. maybe that's my non-stereo eyes or something that I could overcome with training. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/56ADC577-B567-4DB7-88CF-DABCA41F7CD3-1242421.jpg Eye relief was a bit short for me. Look how far back it's mounted. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/C12618AB-3E02-44FA-8628-DAF4158342CD-1242422.jpg I Like it. Good Job PA But an eye relief that more closely matches their 2.5x and 3x as opposed to their 1x Cyclops' is worrying. I guess we'll just have to wait for the final specs. Also, for those super close in shots, crank the brightness up and forget about seeing the reticle or anything through the tube really, pretend it's just a red dot. Tempted to buy one but I'm not sure yet. Just got my Cyclops set up with an ADM mount lol.. Looks like I'd have to buy another for the new one. But since this is the Gold line I'm assuming the new mount is quality/good to go for duty type stuff? |
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Things got a little confusing in this thread because we started talking about more than one optic so here is the latest info.
The production version of the new GLX (mid tier) series 2X introduced at SHOT has 3.7" of eye relief. It has a 5/1 ship date. More info will be posted in our industry forum as we get closer. LINK TO OUR INDUSTRY FORUM There will be a GLX version of the 1X Cyclops late this year but no details as of yet. Dimitri is looking at all your feedback on the 1X reticles and looking at ways to make the chevron bigger without losing functionality. I will update once we have firm info. Thanks Marshall |
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Things got a little confusing in this thread because we started talking about more than one optic so here is the latest info. The production version of the new GLX (mid tier) series 2X introduced at SHOT has 3.7" of eye relief. It has a 5/1 ship date. More info will be posted in our industry forum as we get closer. LINK TO OUR INDUSTRY FORUM There will be a GLX version of the 1X Cyclops late this year but no details as of yet. Dimitri is looking at all your feedback on the 1X reticles and looking at ways to make the chevron bigger without losing functionality. I will update once we have firm info. Thanks Marshall View Quote |
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Things got a little confusing in this thread because we started talking about more than one optic so here is the latest info. The production version of the new GLX (mid tier) series 2X introduced at SHOT has 3.7" of eye relief. It has a 5/1 ship date. More info will be posted in our industry forum as we get closer. LINK TO OUR INDUSTRY FORUM There will be a GLX version of the 1X Cyclops late this year but no details as of yet. Dimitri is looking at all your feedback on the 1X reticles and looking at ways to make the chevron bigger without losing functionality. I will update once we have firm info. Thanks Marshall View Quote |
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Things got a little confusing in this thread because we started talking about more than one optic so here is the latest info. The production version of the new GLX (mid tier) series 2X introduced at SHOT has 3.7" of eye relief. It has a 5/1 ship date. More info will be posted in our industry forum as we get closer. LINK TO OUR INDUSTRY FORUM There will be a GLX version of the 1X Cyclops late this year but no details as of yet. Dimitri is looking at all your feedback on the 1X reticles and looking at ways to make the chevron bigger without losing functionality. I will update once we have firm info. Thanks Marshall View Quote |
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I didn't like my first one and returned it (too blurry/couldn't see the chevron) , but figured i'd revisit the optic.
I picked up a used one from the EE and it's better than I remember. Seems to be more clear this time... Chevron is small, too small, but i'm able to make out the tip this time. And yes I had previously adjusted the diopter, so that's odd but good news for me. Absolutely helps looking at the optic outdoors, rather than indoors. I like it, i think i'll keep it this time. Still want a 1 moa dot version, or just a big chevron :D |
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Relegated the Cyclops/3x min-mag back over to a 10.5" build. I must say, the more I use these the more I like the set. I can live with the reticle as is, even unmagnified at the current mount point. With my astigmatism corrective glasses it works great for me at least. If PA gives us another option, super. I do agree an "off" knob position between 3-4 would be a good idea (just because they could.) Even if I don't use the illumination all the time. Rock on https://media.fotki.com/2v2HupYpWx9T3R.jpg https://media.fotki.com/2v2Hup7Ngx9T3R.jpg View Quote |
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I just got the 1x and mounted it up the other day. The reticle is a little small but functionally I like it. Horse shoe for close Chevron for far away. Havent shot it yet but my out of box impression is this. The bdc holds in the chevron arent going to work. I like what they were trying to do but for the 1x the chevron is to small. But on the other hand for precision I believe it to be adept. Much like a small dot like an aimpoint. For the distance one would use a 1x I feel confident in the chevron. The horse shoe is a great size for cqb. Big enough to put it on target not big enough to obstruct view. The eye relief/diopter is a little tricky. I fiddled with it for 30-45 min before I got it to where I like it. Bore sighted with a laser and the clicks on the turret are nice and crisp. The brightness knob is a little tight but definitely wont move on you. I didnt try the stock mount because I dont like the thumb screw
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The size is dictated by ACSS functions BDC. Making it bigger throws both off. Thanks for being persistent on your suggestion. I will bring it up in our next planning meeting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Focus is not the point. The images are not mine, both are taken from PA supplied images. the issue is the size of the reticle compared to the field of view. It's too small as it actually is, and the graphic to illustrate it is very misleading, making it appear much larger compared to the area of the tube. My suggestion way back when was to put German #4 bars around it to draw the eye to the center. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Cyclops_Acss_German_4_bars-983707.jpg Will keep an eyeball peeled on this thread to see what develops... |
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Yes, but the front sight will not be in focus through the optic View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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with the micro, the combo is probably still around the weight of an LPVO w/mounts?
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The factory mount hight puts it at absolute cowitness height, so yes, it may obstruct the lower part of the reticle if you are centered in the eyebox. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The recticle is usable ? No front sight interference? A mini red dot absolute cowitness height would give you a lower 1/3 cowitness with the Cyclops. Attached File |
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Crappy pic, but you get the idea. The factory height makes the subtensions overlap a fixed front sight. A mini red dot absolute cowitness height would give you a lower 1/3 cowitness with the Cyclops. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20200220_195536_1_jpg-1285017.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The recticle is usable ? No front sight interference? A mini red dot absolute cowitness height would give you a lower 1/3 cowitness with the Cyclops. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20200220_195536_1_jpg-1285017.JPG |
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with the micro, the combo is probably still around the weight of an LPVO w/mounts? Pa cyclops = 9.7 ounces Vortex miceo 3x = 9.55 ounces 19.25 ounces total For comparison Weaver tactical 1-5x24 = 17.7 ounces confirmed by me Aero 30mm ultralight extended mount = 3.4 ounces confirmed by me 21.1 ounces total I was honestly very much leaning towards the 1x prism plus magnifier setup, but ultimately went with an lpvo due to a lack of desire to deal with a two part system and less magnification. Still interested, but I think I'd want a 5x magnifier to be honest. |
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