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Posted: 12/9/2018 12:31:54 PM EDT
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Which reticle would work best on a 1-6? MOA, MRAD or JM BDC?I know how each one works, just not which one is optimal I put the MRAD Razor 1-6 on one of my rifles and it "twin" wears the PST 1-6 so I could get a feel for the two side by side. At this point I'm happy with both, but gosh it's awful tempting to put another Razor in the stable with that $900 price. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 12:54:14 PM EDT
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I’ve ordered multiple optics from europtics with no issues. It’s my go to. It has an awesome comparison chart that has specs and reticle to compare side by side. I’ve bought 2 optics from them in the past 2 months. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 12:56:59 PM EDT
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This is what you seek, OP Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Razor 1-6 |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Anyone else have any experience with these? Battery life is advertised as 8,000hrs, which sounds pretty outstanding for an LPVO illuminating most of the reticle. The reticle looks similar to some ACSS variants, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shepherd. Both eyes open large circle for CQB @ 1x, illuminated or not. "Automatic" range finding reticle @ 6x. Good glass, strong. $800-$900.https://shepherdscopes.com/product/1-6x24-t1/ P.S. The pictures do not do the reticle justice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaM7AH76wD0 Confirmed by Shepherd that it uses a mix of Japanese and German glass. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Razor 1-6 |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 1:13:45 PM EDT
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I have the Razor Pre E version. Great glass and FOV. It’s not perfect. The weight and the S L O W zoom make it a bit tankish.
The VX6 HD with the Firedot G BDC price puts it in a class of optic that’s hard to compete in. The Exposed turrets are also a bummer. A BDC 1-6 doesn’t need to spin dials. If they would have had the option of capped turrets I would have probably gotten it. Leupold does some stupid things by limiting their options. If they offered the BDC and TMR across their popular lines they would sell more glass. If they put a decent reticle in the VX5 they would be hard to beat. If they capped the VX6 turrets and were more realistic with the price they would sell like hot cakes. The weight of the scopes with decent options would make them an industry leader in the gaming rifle sports. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 1:46:57 PM EDT
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Looking for the right 1-6 for my Rifle. Have been lookin at the Leupold vx 6HD, vortex viper pst gen II, vanguard endeavor, EO tech vudu and countless others. The SFP vs FFP is also still undecided. Just wanna see what the community thinks about this one? Looking for-- great glass - daylight bright - not cluttered reticle Thanks |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 2:59:19 PM EDT
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I have the Razor Pre E version. Great glass and FOV. It’s not perfect. The weight and the S L O W zoom make it a bit tankish. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 3:09:58 PM EDT
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Vortex if youre on a budget, Kahles if youre not. Quoted:
Razor on a budget, Kahles if you want the best. Quoted:
Razor if you are on a budget. Kahles if you want the best. https://i.ibb.co/mXvJzp7/00100l-PORTRAIT-00100-BURST20181021175951898-COVER.jpg |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 3:10:04 PM EDT
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Shepherd. Both eyes open large circle for CQB @ 1x, illuminated or not. "Automatic" range finding reticle @ 6x. Good glass, strong. $800-$900.https://shepherdscopes.com/product/1-6x24-t1/ P.S. The pictures do not do the reticle justice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaM7AH76wD0 |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 3:10:06 PM EDT
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What about the GRSC 1-6?
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Posted: 12/9/2018 4:20:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slow zoom? Explain please? It’s a robust piece of equipment so it’s not unexpected. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 4:27:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Adjusting the zoom is stiff and slow, even with a lever. It’s a robust piece of equipment so it’s not unexpected. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 4:35:14 PM EDT
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Razor
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Posted: 12/9/2018 7:07:40 PM EDT
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I really like my Trijicon 1-8 fwiw
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Posted: 12/9/2018 7:28:15 PM EDT
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This or if it is out of your budget, the Vortex PST Gen 2 1-6x is awesome. I love mine. How do you like yours? What reticle did you end up choosing? How is the brightness and clarity? Eyebox issues at max magnification? |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Which reticle would work best on a 1-6? MOA, MRAD or JM BDC?I know how each one works, just not which one is optimal You will be able to range unknown distance for all targets and all types of ammo (regardless of barrel length) with a ballistic calculator. JM-1 BDC is good for known distances. The stadia widths are sized for competition targets if I remember correctly and Vortex recommends using heavier bullets our of a 16” barrel for optimal use. Technically the MOA/MRAD is more versatile from an overall perspective. But the BDC is easier, quicker and more intuitive if you have the proper ammo matched to your barrel length and scope zero. BDCs make sense for competitive rifles where the same gun and ammo are used each time (much like military rifles and BDCs). |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 7:53:53 PM EDT
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Vortex is the king in every class including weight.
I am faster with my Burris 1-6 although it is not nearly as accurate: 
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I think the Strike Eagle reticle is close to a good balance, but I think 1-8x is a bit too much of a good thing: 
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Posted: 12/9/2018 9:49:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally The JM1 reticle of the Vortex only compensates out to 400 yards. Beyond that you're guessing. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Vortex Razor HD 1-6/end of thread.
To emphasize some more, you cannot buy better than the Razor HD Gen2 even with more money from Khales. Vortex has better: durability. dials (way superior than Khales). Reticle options (bdc, moa, mil, take your pick) Khales has better: weight (3 oz lighter than Razor). 3 oz is not enough to tip the scale in favor of Khales, no pun intended. The Vortex has an overwhelming advantage over Khales, to say nothing of price. |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 10:22:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/9/2018 10:41:52 PM EDT
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What about the GRSC 1-6? |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 10:45:40 PM EDT
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Looking for the right 1-6 for my Rifle. Have been lookin at the Leupold vx 6HD, vortex viper pst gen II, vanguard endeavor, EO tech vudu and countless others. The SFP vs FFP is also still undecided. Just wanna see what the community thinks about this one? Looking for-- great glass - daylight bright - not cluttered reticle Thanks |
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Posted: 12/9/2018 11:18:28 PM EDT
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Vortex Razor HD 1-6/end of thread. To emphasize some more, you cannot buy better than the Razor HD Gen2 even with more money from Khales. Vortex has better: durability. dials (way superior than Khales). Reticle options (bdc, moa, mil, take your pick) Khales has better: weight (3 oz lighter than Razor). 3 oz is not enough to tip the scale in favor of Khales, no pun intended. The Vortex has an overwhelming advantage over Khales, to say nothing of price. - Durability is hard to analyse apart from anecdotal experiences. Inquire with major optics dealers and they will tell you the K16i is equally durable, in their experience. - Both have capped turrets, with the Kahles having the much finer .1 mil adjustments. Not sure how this equates to 'way superior' for the razor. Turret arguments on LPVOs is pointless- they are there to zero and then cap em. - Kahles reticles are just as capable. Ask around. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People with tens of thousands of rounds through both will disagree with you. - Durability is hard to analyse apart from anecdotal experiences. Inquire with major optics dealers and they will tell you the K16i is equally durable, in their experience. - Both have capped turrets, with the Kahles having the much finer .1 mil adjustments. Not sure how this equates to 'way superior' for the razor. Turret arguments on LPVOs is pointless- they are there to zero and then cap em. - Kahles reticles are just as capable. Ask around. -Having capped turrets is not even the meat of the discussion, it is the dials themselves. Have you ever tried the Razor dials and the Khales dials side by side before? The Razor is VASTLY SUPERIOR in tactile and audible feedback. The difference between them is the difference between rolling a round and a square peg. Which means that while the Khales may be limited to "zero and then cap em," the Razor HD can take whatever adjustments you throw at it in the field, or switching between rifles on a qd mount and just dial to the numbers you knew where they zeroed previously. You can trust the Razor HD to to do that easy, not so much with those mushy Khales dials. - Khales reticles are fine, not a problem with them, but the Razor has three options to choose from, all of which are just as outstanding as the Khales. Does the Khales have mil, moa, and bdc to choose from? The Vortex Razor HD gen2 1-6 is the king of the LPVO, the gold standard that everybody else has been trying to imitate for the past five year. Khales is the closest competitor that came close, in my opinion, but it's only advantage it's that 3 ounces in weight. If it matters to you, yeah, it matters. For everything else, the Razor HD is a step ahead. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:46:01 AM EDT
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Awesome, lots of really good feedback. I kinda figured the Razor is the gold standard and europtics deal is hard to pass up. Never heard of that site either so it may require some additional shopping. I still like that the Leupold is so light weight, wish there were more like it! |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:48:55 AM EDT
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Which reticle would work best on a 1-6? MOA, MRAD or JM BDC?I know how each one works, just not which one is optimal |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 1:21:38 AM EDT
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Most definitely the Kahles K16i or Swarovski Z6i with the razor G2-E very close to them, from my experience. I loved everything about the K16i I owned except for the cluttered reticle (SM1), but the new 3GR looks perfect to me. The turrets are extremely tactile and they’re capped, so even if they were a little “mushy” that’s a mute point. Plus, it has more precise adjustments. It also has a slightly better FOV on 1x then the razor. Don’t get me wrong with the weight savings of the E and price I can get one at, I’d have no problem with the Razor E on my rifle and currently considering one.
I’m sure most have seen this review by our own SuperSetCA on here, but for those who haven’t.... https://youtu.be/JHzvI6zu7Mo |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 1:34:11 AM EDT
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That Shepard one looks really interesting, especially if the battery life is for real
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Posted: 12/10/2018 1:43:49 AM EDT
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That Shepard one looks really interesting, especially if the battery life is for real |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:07:15 AM EDT
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I would go Razor E. The clarity is so good that it seems like more than 6X at the top power. 
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:09:56 AM EDT
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The VX6 HD with the Firedot G BDC price puts it in a class of optic that’s hard to compete in. The Exposed turrets are also a bummer. A BDC 1-6 doesn’t need to spin dials. If they would have had the option of capped turrets I would have probably gotten it. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:44:20 AM EDT
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I like the Razor so much I’m thinking of putting one on a deer rifle.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:44:52 AM EDT
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What about the GRSC 1-6? Then the GRSC only has a 2 year warranty, Vortex, Burris, and Leupold all have life time warranties. That says something right there. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 9:51:33 AM EDT
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Also on warranties, the Vortex VIP warranty is not just for mechanical issues but accidental damage too. Drop it, run it over, have it burnt in a house fire and its all covered. Fixed or replaced. That's a huge piece of mind.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 11:18:42 AM EDT
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Since the OP didn't mention budget, I'll say that no matter what I try, I keep going back to my 1-4 Elcan SpecterDR's. The view through them is just so … luxurious, for lack of a better work. So bright, so open. The Kahles K16i gives it a run and to this date is the only thing that's managed to kick a Specter off any of rifles.  OP I would recommend the Vortex Ranger 1-4x24 over at Midway, you are not going to find a better deal its, pretty much the Vortex Viper Gen 1 With the TMCQ reticle, and it's kind of like the Trijicon Accupower but much cheaper in price and just as good, you are not going to find a better deal I promise, here's the Link! Sorry forgot I posted here yesterday with same link, go look at it, great deal, don't know why so many haters on that scope!
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:42:43 PM EDT
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I agree with you on that one, but some of us don't have that kind of coin, but trying to find an excuse to kick the GF to curb so I can spoil myself. OP I would recommend the Vortex Ranger 1-4x24 over at Midway, you are not going to find a better deal its, pretty much the Vortex Viper Gen 1 With the TMCQ reticle, and it's kind of like the Trijicon Accupower but much cheaper in price and just as good, you are not going to find a better deal I promise, here's the Link! Sorry forgot I posted here yesterday with same link, go look at it, great deal, don't know why so many haters on that scope!Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the OP didn't mention budget, I'll say that no matter what I try, I keep going back to my 1-4 Elcan SpecterDR's. The view through them is just so … luxurious, for lack of a better work. So bright, so open. The Kahles K16i gives it a run and to this date is the only thing that's managed to kick a Specter off any of rifles. OP I would recommend the Vortex Ranger 1-4x24 over at Midway, you are not going to find a better deal its, pretty much the Vortex Viper Gen 1 With the TMCQ reticle, and it's kind of like the Trijicon Accupower but much cheaper in price and just as good, you are not going to find a better deal I promise, here's the Link! Sorry forgot I posted here yesterday with same link, go look at it, great deal, don't know why so many haters on that scope! |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 1:01:49 PM EDT
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Decent optic for the price but for only $100 more (when on sale) the Steiner P4Xi is a much better option in the 1-4x range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the OP didn't mention budget, I'll say that no matter what I try, I keep going back to my 1-4 Elcan SpecterDR's. The view through them is just so … luxurious, for lack of a better work. So bright, so open. The Kahles K16i gives it a run and to this date is the only thing that's managed to kick a Specter off any of rifles. OP I would recommend the Vortex Ranger 1-4x24 over at Midway, you are not going to find a better deal its, pretty much the Vortex Viper Gen 1 With the TMCQ reticle, and it's kind of like the Trijicon Accupower but much cheaper in price and just as good, you are not going to find a better deal I promise, here's the Link! Sorry forgot I posted here yesterday with same link, go look at it, great deal, don't know why so many haters on that scope! |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:56:48 PM EDT
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FPNI AGAIN Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Razor 1-6 |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 5:10:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Decent optic for the price but for only $100 more (when on sale) the Steiner P4Xi is a much better option in the 1-4x range. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:50:05 PM EDT
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Not to stray off OP's Topic but me personally I prefer the TMCQ Reticle, but I'm definitely open ears to that suggestion and would like to hear your opinion on why it is better, It was one of the scopes I looked at for my new Deer Rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Decent optic for the price but for only $100 more (when on sale) the Steiner P4Xi is a much better option in the 1-4x range. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 11:31:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Superior Glass quality, capped turrets, better FOV. I don't know what the illumination on the Vortex is like, but the Steiner is Aimpoint bright. Reticles are subjective, so if the Vortex reticle works better for you then great. I prefer a simple crosshair with a bright dot and subtensions. I hate cluttered reticles, especially if I was using for deer hunting. Nothing wrong with the Vortex, but you get a lot more in the P4Xi for only $100 more. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:03:51 AM EDT
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Not to stray off topic, but I do prefer the Vortex 1-4 over the Steiner myself. It's just outstanding in every way, especially that reticle, just outstanding design. And with that price, can't be beat, not at all.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:38:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Accupoint 1-6 with triangle or mil dot |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 4:11:07 PM EDT
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Can the Vortex Razor (Gen II HD-E 1-6x24 VMR-2 MRAD) be used on a SCAR 17 for precision work, hunting and 3 gun?
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Posted: 12/11/2018 4:16:24 PM EDT
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Can the Vortex Razor (Gen II HD-E 1-6x24 VMR-2 MRAD) be used on a SCAR 17 for precision work, hunting and 3 gun? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 4:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Superior Glass quality, capped turrets, better FOV. I don’t know what the illumination on the Vortex is like, but the Steiner is Aimpoint bright. Reticles are subjective, so if the Vortex reticle works better for you then great. I prefer a simple crosshair with a bright dot and subtensions. I hate cluttered reticles, especially if I was using for deer hunting. Nothing wrong with the Vortex, but you get a lot more in the P4Xi for only $100 more. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:36:19 PM EDT
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I have the Razor Pre E version. Great glass and FOV. It's not perfect. The weight and the S L O W zoom make it a bit tankish. Give us a call if that's something you'd like to make happen. Edit - wow we're behind on this one. Sorry for the delay there
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:38:07 PM EDT
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Can the Vortex Razor (Gen II HD-E 1-6x24 VMR-2 MRAD) be used on a SCAR 17 for precision work, hunting and 3 gun? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:49:18 PM EDT
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We can "Loosen" that up for you. Hate to say the word "Loosen" as it tends to equate with making something not as precise or of less quality, but we have the capability to make the zoom ring turn more easily and quickly without sacrificing reliability (Aside from being easier to bump but that's a tradeoff) if you like. Give us a call if that's something you'd like to make happen. Edit - wow we're behind on this one. Sorry for the delay there |
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