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I think the center reticle is hard to see without illumination.

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I don't think anyone really refers to any Trijicon product as "junk", but I feel there are differences in how much engineering is put into a given design meant for a specific application, versus many companies that just put out a product to say they have one, and check a box off on their product line. If you look at companies like Nightforce, S&B, etc, each optic serves a purpose, each optic was built to a specification, and there aren't similar versions of them in higher or lower models respectively. Looking at other companies, whether larger or smaller, you have a wide variety of optics from cheap and barely usable, to super high end and borderline the cost of a small vehicle. Without dragging other manufacturers names into these, as many of them I really enjoy their "higher end" offerings, many of them are using mass produced optics that are shared with other product lines, or clones of a similar brand made in the same factory overseas, or took an average optic with average features and slapped their name on it to establish value.
Think of it like this... When you buy a mustang, you have the entry level car at $20,000, and the fully decked out GT350 at 60K+.... Both come from the same factory, both are 90% identical, but youre spending $40K more on slight upgrades to the otherwise same chassis, which while it improves the ability of the car, it really doesn't change the overall quality of it - its still just a $20,000 car with 40K more stuff in it. On the same token, compare a Toyota Camry to a Lexus ES350 - arguably the same car, one is just fancied up quite a bit with nicer interior, more features, and double the price - again though, basically the same car. Now toss a Ford GT into the mix - There isn't an entry level model, there isn't a premium model, there aren't any features to add or remove, and it wasn't built from a $25,000 chassis and improved on so they could charge more. Much in the same respects, there wont ever be a $400 Nightforce, or a $400 S&B scope... A 10 year old Nightforce or S&B will hold value just as well as a new one (as seen on here consistently with their older and significantly less featured models)... and of course, you typically wont see them whored out for ultra low prices, offered for free with other combos, or otherwise devalued due to being mass production and sitting on a shelf for eternity.

To get back to where im going with this, Trijicon makes a LOT of VERY NICE products... ive personally invested MANY thousands of dollars on their products, specifically ACOGs, RMRs and other things, where I feel they were the innovator, and really invested heavily into R&D on those items. With that, however, I feel a lot of their newer products were also "niche fillers" used to make sure they had something to give in an area they may not have been making money, or felt they needed to check off a box on their product sheet. Does that make it a poor product? Not at all, however I also don't think it lives quite up to their reputation or name when comparing to some of their other offerings. If you look at some of the more popular optics today, and in the past decade, there are a lot that really stick out as innovators and game changers... The Leupold MK8 1-8 when it came out, the Vortex Razor 1-6 when it came out, heck there really hasn't been an ACOG replacement that anyone bought into, even though many manufacturers have tried. Even with the Delta Point and other micro red dots getting better, the RMR still tends to be the "household name" when it comes to those. Optics where the manufacturer sat down and really said "What do we need to build", and spent some time really researching and testing their products before launching them out.

Anyway I will get off the soap box, but I just wanted to clarify the new Nightforce offerings may be a bit late to the game, but obviously they are coming in as heavy hitters to provide something that was needed, instead of just adding something to their product line so they could say "oh, yeah we have a 1-8 you can buy".

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@fenixmike  how does the nx8 do on the scar 17? I want the nx8 for my Sr25 Acc for the weight savings but concerned about a 30mm eyebox for quick pickup. Was is very noticeable?

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at 1X, the NX8 is no different than using an Aimpoint Micro... the red dot is bright enough to sear your eyeball, and relief is plenty acceptable; eyebox is not near as forgiving as the ATACR, but not bad either for fast acquisition. Where it gives way to the ATACR is when you are at 8x magnification... Eye relief/eyebox can be a bit finicky at that point, and this is where if youre using a barrier, prone etc with a larger rifle you will be fine, but shooting off hand, you may have a tougher time keeping your sight on the target if using a rifle with any sort of recoil above and beyond a 5.56. For what it is (a VERY compact 1-8x scope), its a fantastic design that would work great on a SR15, Scar 16, or many other CQ platforms that are also capable of 500 yard engagements, but if youre getting this for a SR25 with hopes of doing CQ and 1000 yard hits, you may not enjoy it unless you do most of your long range shooting on a bench rest or proned out. Im hoping both of my 1-8s will be here for my personal Scars in Feb, but while I was at Shot, I played with them again to address some of the questions I got on the other forums.

To try and answer your question the best I can, what is the ACTUAL purpose you plan on using the optic for? Me personally, I shoot my Scar 17 SBR to 800 meters, and rarely use my Scar 16 SBR for anything past 200, so I will have the ATACR 1-8 on my Scar 17, and the NX8 on my Scar 16. Both optics are setup for different roles, and knowing the quality Nightforce offers, they didn't just build a "cheaper" version of the ATACR with rolling out the NX8, but instead the NX8 is a purpose built "compact" 1-8 that fills a needed niche in the market where you want something with the size and weight of a 1-4x (granted, it comes with a performance penalty when compared to the larger ATACR), that comes packed with features, target turrets, fantastic reticles, and the ability to get 8x magnification when needed that most scopes only include with higher magnification and price point. I really like the idea of something this small and light that will spend 95% of its life at 1x, and once in a while maybe hit some 500m steel targets, where as with my Scar 17, I really don't go clearing rooms with it, I set it on a bipod and plink steel targets at distance, so it will spend most of its life at 8x.

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Are these available anywhere yet or are we still waiting on them to be released?

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I show 1,715?

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FYI, you can pre-order through OpticsPlanet for a bit under $1500 shipped.

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FYI, you can pre-order through OpticsPlanet for a bit under $1500 shipped.

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I have a 6920 OEM 2 with a URX 3.1 rail on it. Do you think the NX8 would be wasted on essentially a M4?

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me personally and everyone that i know has had bunch of problems with them. my buddy ordered a Reap ir about a month ago and just recently got his refund since they completely failed at actually getting one and shipping it. it was a real pain for him to get his money back.

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This is the 5th optic I've pre-ordered from them. If you don't mind waiting they have the lowest prices around.

The timeline has been pushed back a few times, but I'm not stressing about it.

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i paid less with better customer service, once you have a problem you will understand.

i heard "Expected ETA for the Nightforce NX8 is first of March"

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i paid less with better customer service, once you have a problem you will understand.

i heard "Expected ETA for the Nightforce NX8 is first of March"

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FYI, you can pre-order through OpticsPlanet for a bit under $1500 shipped.

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The ATACR or NX8?
I have been finding the NX8 for that, but not the ATACR mentioned in OP

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Now, what sounds more likely to you - an NX8 for a couple hundred off the normal rate or an ATACR at a $1000 off the normal rate?

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Where did you order from?

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at 1X, the NX8 is no different than using an Aimpoint Micro... the red dot is bright enough to sear your eyeball, and relief is plenty acceptable; eyebox is not near as forgiving as the ATACR, but not bad either for fast acquisition. Where it gives way to the ATACR is when you are at 8x magnification... Eye relief/eyebox can be a bit finicky at that point, and this is where if youre using a barrier, prone etc with a larger rifle you will be fine, but shooting off hand, you may have a tougher time keeping your sight on the target if using a rifle with any sort of recoil above and beyond a 5.56. For what it is (a VERY compact 1-8x scope), its a fantastic design that would work great on a SR15, Scar 16, or many other CQ platforms that are also capable of 500 yard engagements, but if youre getting this for a SR25 with hopes of doing CQ and 1000 yard hits, you may not enjoy it unless you do most of your long range shooting on a bench rest or proned out. Im hoping both of my 1-8s will be here for my personal Scars in Feb, but while I was at Shot, I played with them again to address some of the questions I got on the other forums.

To try and answer your question the best I can, what is the ACTUAL purpose you plan on using the optic for? Me personally, I shoot my Scar 17 SBR to 800 meters, and rarely use my Scar 16 SBR for anything past 200, so I will have the ATACR 1-8 on my Scar 17, and the NX8 on my Scar 16. Both optics are setup for different roles, and knowing the quality Nightforce offers, they didn't just build a "cheaper" version of the ATACR with rolling out the NX8, but instead the NX8 is a purpose built "compact" 1-8 that fills a needed niche in the market where you want something with the size and weight of a 1-4x (granted, it comes with a performance penalty when compared to the larger ATACR), that comes packed with features, target turrets, fantastic reticles, and the ability to get 8x magnification when needed that most scopes only include with higher magnification and price point. I really like the idea of something this small and light that will spend 95% of its life at 1x, and once in a while maybe hit some 500m steel targets, where as with my Scar 17, I really don't go clearing rooms with it, I set it on a bipod and plink steel targets at distance, so it will spend most of its life at 8x.

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My wallet hates your post. I was all set on an NX8 for my Scar17 until I read this and it makes sense. Seems like the ATACR would be the perfect optic for a Scar17. Did you find the reticle to be a little too busy though? I am currently debating this scope or an Elcan specter DR 1.5-6x. I was also looking at the new Vortex Razor Gen II E 1-6, however some people say the extra magnification of an 8x is perfect for a Scar17.

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Got my shipping notice. Mine will be here on Wednesday. I got the MOA version.

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Mile High Shooting has both versions of the NX8 in stock and ready to ship. Just ordered one this afternoon.

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After playing with the scope a little here are my first impressions before heading to the range.

-The illumination is very good.
- The reticle appears to be pretty easy to use on 1x without illumination. It is on the smaller side, but I can find it just fine.
- The reticle seems to be pretty large at 8x, but I haven't had a chance to look at anything at distance yet.
- I still prefer my Razor Gen 2 1-6x on 1x, but I wouldn't hesitate to use the NX8 at 1x.

I will have more information tomorrow and hopefully some pictures.