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Posted: 8/15/2016 12:17:35 PM EDT
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im new here so please be gentle :)
anyway im builing my first ar, with #2 close behind in looking at: vortex sparc ar primary arms advanced micro dot and holosun 503 yeah, i know they are budget, but as i said its the first, #2 will be a longer, higher quality build i like the battery life on the PA, and the HS, but he vortex warranty is much better just looking for some input |
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I distrust cheap anything. With that being said I bought a Primary Arms red dot for my AK-47 simply because I wasn't willing to invest in a quality sight for a POS rifle.
It has worked just fine so far. It doesn't get used a lot, but it has worked well. I run Aimpoint, EOTech, Leupold and Trijicon optics and have a high opinion of all of them. You will never regret buying better, you may regret buying cheap. |
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will look into that btw, the holosun torture test on youtube did impress me Holosun/PA can't go wrong. Next step Aimpoint or Trijicon MRO. HONESTLY MT T-1 IS A BETTER OPTIC...BUT FOR WHAT I USE IT FOR MIGHT AS WELL BE ANOTHER PA MD AND SAVED MYSELF THE $$$ |
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its very doubtful this ould be a home def item, i have to handguns, and some pump shottys for that, maybe a backup hd.
mainly a range toy, and something to help get the wife into shooting, possbly some other member of her liberal family (darn DC natives) she has almost 0 experience except for the 10/22 |
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I used a Vortex Sparc for a while. It was my first optic and I think made a good balance between quality and price. I would recommend it to someone building their first as well. It let me get up and going for relatively low cost, while still having a decent optic. I upgraded to an Aimpoint PRO about 2 years ago, and am happy that I did. The Sparc dot was always slightly distorted for me (likely a medical related thing for me) but the Aimpoint PRO is much less distorted. I can consistently shoot a little further because of the dot situation. The Sparc was put on a shotgun, which I think it is more suited for. |
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For a range toy, battery life may not be important, especially if the model you select has an automatic shut down after a couple hours, as many do, or if you simply turn it off when you complete your shooting. There are many choices, mostly from China, that fall into the under $200 range but they can be fun and are often innovative.
I've tried many of them and ended up favoring the mini-reflex sights like the Burris Fastfire 3. They are small, light weight, rugged enough to run on 12 gauge shotguns (Burris has a special mount for that that has been in use for years), and have an unobstructed peripheral view around the "window" making them very fast to get on target and to use on moving targets. The ubiquitous Bushnell TRS-25 remains very popular at just under $100. It does have some quirks due a redesign that limits movement of the dot in the upper 1/3 of the field of view, but for a range toy this will never be noticed. These sights will require a riser to put them at either absolute co--witness (same height as your iron sights), or at lower 1/3, which will put the dot higher above any front sight whether folded or fixed. I tend to like absolute with folded front sight and lower 1/3 with fixed sight, but either will work well, depending on your personal preference. UTG makes inexpensive risers (medium for absolute co-witness) and high for lower 1/3 height. Some red dots come with the riser or already have the height built into the optic itself.. If home defense is to play any role, you might want to look at duty grade red dots, though. |
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any input on ultradot 6? The base model UltraDot is a quality scope. The one they make that allows for different colored dots and reticles is not as good IMO, simply because it has added useless features. The USAMU Fort Benning, GA uses UltraDot red dots on their .22 competition pistols. If there is any better advertisement for the quality and durability of any red dot better than that I don't know what it is. Their testing has shown that the UltraDot tracks better and is more reliable than other target red dots commonly used in bullseye competition. The Marksmanship Unit can pick and use any red dot they want. They chose UltraDot after a lot of comparison testing. It's "made in Japan" and is head and shoulders better than anything coming out of China. They are reasonably priced and come with rings all for around $160.00. This red dot isn't designed for rough and tumble combat use but is more than sturdy enough for anything a home owner will throw at it. Any 30mm rings will work should you want to mount it on an AR-15. |
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its very doubtful this ould be a home def item, i have to handguns, and some pump shottys for that, maybe a backup hd. mainly a range toy, and something to help get the wife into shooting, possbly some other member of her liberal family (darn DC natives) she has almost 0 experience except for the 10/22 In that case the Vortex Sparc for the warranty and quality relative to that price range. Or as other have said previously, save up a few more bucks and get the Aimpoint PRO. They can be had under $400 with mount included. See them sell on the EE quite often for $350ish. |
| Sig Romeo 4c, two reticle choices (2moa dot only and dot with 65moa circle), auto dimming/brightening, will operate with a completely dead battery (solar) comes with two mounts, low and absolute co-witness (QD), lens caps, IPX7 waterproof rating, life time warranty, 6.5oz with QD absolute co-witness mount. It has the cleanest (actually round) dot of any red dot I have used, second best dot clarity goes to a Holosun 403g that I keep as a back up. |
| Id stay away from eotech, I run my stations armory and deal with tons of optic issues with eotechs, they are oversized and junk. As far as reddots are concerned , we have switched to aimpoints and the men love them. For the most part we use acogs though. Personally I would trust Vortex as Ive had several of their optics and they have been bullet proof, battery life sucks compared to aimpoint though. |
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