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Posted: 4/6/2016 8:59:08 PM EDT
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I can't decide on my optics for a new build
It's kind of my ultimate build. Accurate, reliable, strong, light. I'm going for it all on this 16"... For my optics I'm down to two directions that are acceptable, but I'm torn. I figure 99% of the time will be within 300 yards, but ya never know. Option 1) Leupold VX-6 1-6x Firedot SPR with a AD-RECON mount - $1280.00 Option 2) Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x Firedot SPR and VX-R 3-9x Firedot TMR both on AD-RECON mounts - $1560.00 I like the true 1x of the VX-6 and 6x isn't that bad a picture at 300 yards. But... I like the 1.25-4x for 50 to 200 yards and the 3-9x for 100-300 to get those really tight marks. I like the 9x at 300 and the rarely beyond. Dollar wise it's basically just the cost of an extra mount + $100.00 to have two scopes instead of one. For the money, for the quality, for the weight, for the warranty Leupold is my only choice for this one. But I just can't decide if one is good enough or if two is too much for an "Ultimate". |
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Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x Firedot SPR ............ I love this scope i've had a vxr patrol since they first came out can't say enough good about it.
VX-R 3-9x Firedot TMR .......... My brother bought one of these (patrol model) I hate the TMR reticle but i have 46 year old eyes if it was a mil dot scope i would love it. If you haven't looked through that reticle in real life i'd strongly suggest you do it may work for you it's far to busy imo and the lines aren't different enough for old eyes IMO for it to be remotely fast. |
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Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x Firedot SPR ............ I love this scope i've had a vxr patrol since they first came out can't say enough good about it. VX-R 3-9x Firedot TMR .......... My brother bought one of these (patrol model) I hate the TMR reticle but i have 46 year old eyes if it was a mil dot scope i would love it. If you haven't looked through that reticle in real life i'd strongly suggest you do it may work for you it's far to busy imo and the lines aren't different enough for old eyes IMO for it to be remotely fast. Of the three scopes I've only looked through the VX-R 1.25-4x. Loved it and that's why the choice for the 1-6 is the Firedot also and not the CM-R2 I've looked through other true 1-6x's, but not the Leupold, so I have a decent ballpark on that one. I probably should look through the TMR. I'm on 46 yr old eyes also. The main use of the 3-9x would be a 200 yard zero and any follow-up would be hold over, so the busy (theoretically) was good. I never touch dials unless it's to zero or rezero. I thought the TMR was a Mill-Dot (long) half Mil-Dot (short) setup? |
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Of the three scopes I've only looked through the VX-R 1.25-4x. Loved it and that's why the choice for the 1-6 is the Firedot also and not the CM-R2 I've looked through other true 1-6x's, but not the Leupold, so I have a decent ballpark on that one. I probably should look through the TMR. I'm on 46 yr old eyes also. The main use of the 3-9x would be a 200 yard zero and any follow-up would be hold over, so the busy (theoretically) was good. I never touch dials unless it's to zero or rezero. I thought the TMR was a Mill-Dot (long) half Mil-Dot (short) setup? Quoted:
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Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x Firedot SPR ............ I love this scope i've had a vxr patrol since they first came out can't say enough good about it. VX-R 3-9x Firedot TMR .......... My brother bought one of these (patrol model) I hate the TMR reticle but i have 46 year old eyes if it was a mil dot scope i would love it. If you haven't looked through that reticle in real life i'd strongly suggest you do it may work for you it's far to busy imo and the lines aren't different enough for old eyes IMO for it to be remotely fast. Of the three scopes I've only looked through the VX-R 1.25-4x. Loved it and that's why the choice for the 1-6 is the Firedot also and not the CM-R2 I've looked through other true 1-6x's, but not the Leupold, so I have a decent ballpark on that one. I probably should look through the TMR. I'm on 46 yr old eyes also. The main use of the 3-9x would be a 200 yard zero and any follow-up would be hold over, so the busy (theoretically) was good. I never touch dials unless it's to zero or rezero. I thought the TMR was a Mill-Dot (long) half Mil-Dot (short) setup? It is. I just bought the 3-9 and love it. Great deal on both the scopes you're looking at here: http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/d8.html If you're willing to spend $1500, though I might look a little wider than just the Leupold options. You're also very nearly in Leupold Mark 6 1-6 territory as well as you'll see on the sale link above. The Mark 6 glass might be good enough to lessen the need for 9 power. |
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I have vx6 1-6 and love it. what reticle would you be getting ? The VxR's aren't bad but they are only vx2 lenses with a 30 mm tube and firedot and the true 1 power is a whole lot better than the 1.25 The VX-6 I was looking at was with the Firedot SPR same as the VX-R and not their original CM-R2. Not a fan of the CM-R. |
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It is. I just bought the 3-9 and love it. Great deal on both the scopes you're looking at here: http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/d8.html If you're willing to spend $1500, though I might look a little wider than just the Leupold options. You're also very nearly in Leupold Mark 6 1-6 territory as well as you'll see on the sale link above. The Mark 6 glass might be good enough to lessen the need for 9 power. I looked at the Mark 4, but ruled them out because I wanted lighter and I didn't like the dial on the eyepiece; never went so far as to consider a Mark 6. From the link you gave the Mark 6 is 6 oz heavier than the VX-R, but it's 6 oz better quality too. (And the dial isn't on the eyepiece) Don't know though... I think those are the point where the reticle is definitely too busy compared to what I'm used to and would be comfortable with. |
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I looked at the Mark 4, but ruled them out because I wanted lighter and I didn't like the dial on the eyepiece; never went so far as to consider a Mark 6. From the link you gave the Mark 6 is 6 oz heavier than the VX-R, but it's 6 oz better quality too. (And the dial isn't on the eyepiece) Don't know though... I think those are the point where the reticle is definitely too busy compared to what I'm used to and would be comfortable with. Quoted:
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It is. I just bought the 3-9 and love it. Great deal on both the scopes you're looking at here: http://www.libertyoptics.com/contents/en-us/d8.html If you're willing to spend $1500, though I might look a little wider than just the Leupold options. You're also very nearly in Leupold Mark 6 1-6 territory as well as you'll see on the sale link above. The Mark 6 glass might be good enough to lessen the need for 9 power. I looked at the Mark 4, but ruled them out because I wanted lighter and I didn't like the dial on the eyepiece; never went so far as to consider a Mark 6. From the link you gave the Mark 6 is 6 oz heavier than the VX-R, but it's 6 oz better quality too. (And the dial isn't on the eyepiece) Don't know though... I think those are the point where the reticle is definitely too busy compared to what I'm used to and would be comfortable with. The TMR D retical looks very close to the firedot TMR the VX-R. The patrols have glass that are supposedly in between vx2 and vx3 glass. Personally with that budget I'd go either Mark 6 1-6 or I'd get the 3-9 patrol and piggy back an RMR for your closer shots. No need for those two scopes. $.02. |
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Of the three scopes I've only looked through the VX-R 1.25-4x. Loved it and that's why the choice for the 1-6 is the Firedot also and not the CM-R2 I've looked through other true 1-6x's, but not the Leupold, so I have a decent ballpark on that one. I probably should look through the TMR. I'm on 46 yr old eyes also. The main use of the 3-9x would be a 200 yard zero and any follow-up would be hold over, so the busy (theoretically) was good. I never touch dials unless it's to zero or rezero. I thought the TMR was a Mill-Dot (long) half Mil-Dot (short) setup? Quoted:
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Leupold VX-R 1.25-4x Firedot SPR ............ I love this scope i've had a vxr patrol since they first came out can't say enough good about it. VX-R 3-9x Firedot TMR .......... My brother bought one of these (patrol model) I hate the TMR reticle but i have 46 year old eyes if it was a mil dot scope i would love it. If you haven't looked through that reticle in real life i'd strongly suggest you do it may work for you it's far to busy imo and the lines aren't different enough for old eyes IMO for it to be remotely fast. Of the three scopes I've only looked through the VX-R 1.25-4x. Loved it and that's why the choice for the 1-6 is the Firedot also and not the CM-R2 I've looked through other true 1-6x's, but not the Leupold, so I have a decent ballpark on that one. I probably should look through the TMR. I'm on 46 yr old eyes also. The main use of the 3-9x would be a 200 yard zero and any follow-up would be hold over, so the busy (theoretically) was good. I never touch dials unless it's to zero or rezero. I thought the TMR was a Mill-Dot (long) half Mil-Dot (short) setup? That is how the reticle works.... I thought i would like the tmr too looking at pictures not the case out in wild for me........ We throw 4x4x8" blocks of wood in the river so we get movers out to 800. It's easier for me to adjust holdover on the fly with the spr reticle or a true mildot (i have a vx4 2.5-8). The tmr is so busy IMO i get lost on which hash mark when i'm trying to do it on the fly fast. I'm sure it works fine for lots of people especially if your shooting slow with it. I'm just giving you two guys thoughts my brother isn't in love with it either. If i was working with your budget i'd call leupold and see what it would cost to do a vx6 1-6 with a mil dot illum reticle 
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That is how the reticle works.... I thought i would like the tmr too looking at pictures not the case out in wild for me........ We throw 4x4x8" blocks of wood in the river so we get movers out to 800. It's easier for me to adjust holdover on the fly with the spr reticle or a true mildot (i have a vx4 2.5-8). The tmr is so busy IMO i get lost on which hash mark when i'm trying to do it on the fly fast. I'm sure it works fine for lots of people especially if your shooting slow with it. I'm just giving you two guys thoughts my brother isn't in love with it either. Much appreciated. I have a Vortex Dead-Hold on an 18" and that's about as busy as I've gotten. So far, putting all the comments together it's really looking like the VX-6 1-6x Firedot is the better direction, but I will put eyes on the TMR first. I really didn't figure in the 6-9x range I'd be squeezing off to fast and it would be slower follow ups if need be. It's not an "ultimate" if you can't adjust fast when you need to. |
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....Personally with that budget I'd go either Mark 6 1-6 or I'd get the 3-9 patrol and piggy back an RMR for your closer shots. No need for those two scopes. $.02. That was my original plan when I first started thinking about this... 3-9 on something like a SKEL mount with a Dot on a 45. The more options I considered the more I wanted to keep it as light as possible by default and if I needed to step out farther I could swap to more magnification and a magazine of heavier grain. But I'm the same way... Two seems like too much, but I can justify it if forced to. 1-6 is more practical and what I probably should do. Just wish I could find a 1-8x I like and can afford. |
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....Personally with that budget I'd go either Mark 6 1-6 or I'd get the 3-9 patrol and piggy back an RMR for your closer shots. No need for those two scopes. $.02. Just wish I could find a 1-8x I like and can afford. Right? I was hopeful for the new Burris, but it's 24oz. Mark 8 is way expensive and also heavy. |
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I have vx6 1-6 and love it. what reticle would you be getting ? The VxR's aren't bad but they are only vx2 lenses with a 30 mm tube and firedot and the true 1 power is a whole lot better than the 1.25 Not VX-2 glass. Where did you get that? I have VX-2, VX-3 and VX-R scopes. No VX-2 of same magnification and objective size can hang with a comparable VX-R in low light performance. VX -R glass is unique to the line and not shared with other Leupold. I cannot distinguish it from my VX-3 scopes in resolution of detail, in contrast or low light performance. While it is not at VX-6 level, the VX-6 pales in comparison to my Kahles scope. All is relative, but a VX-R is NOT VX-2. |
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