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Posted: 10/10/2015 12:12:05 PM EDT
| What are the pros and cons of high battery compartment vs. low battery compartment. I lean toward the M4s for the same reason I like flip covers oriented to flip down - unobstructed site and peripheral view up top. What say the esteemed members? |
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My preference would be for an M4s for a seemingly less-obstructed view over the top, though it is only a slight difference. The only reason I see going with an M4 over the M4s would be if you want to run a flip-to-the-side magnifier as close as possible behind the Aimpoint. If you don't mind running the mag one more rail space back than the M4, and your BUIS will allow it, they both work with magnifiers.
ETA: Probably would need to run the M4[s] on a cantilever mount if you want the Aimpoint, magnifier, and BUIS on the upper receiver only. |
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If you use a magnifier or NOD a lot, then the M4 will be easier to adjust the dot brightness. It's not impossible with the M4s, just not as easy.
In either case, I prefer the M4s. The view behind the M4s is very trim and unobstructed. I've spent a lot of time behind all three types of Aimpoint and my ultimate, absolute favorite is an M4s in a LaRue lower 1/3 mount. |
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What are the pros and cons of high battery compartment vs. low battery compartment. I lean toward the M4s for the same reason I like flip covers oriented to flip down - unobstructed site and peripheral view up top. What say the esteemed members? Also the switch is bit more sheltered on the m4s. When I've seen Aimpoints break its been from hard hits on the switch, granted that was usually negligence or shitty luck but it happens. |
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Also the switch is bit more sheltered on the m4s. When I've seen Aimpoints break its been from hard hits on the switch, granted that was usually negligence or shitty luck but it happens. Quoted:
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What are the pros and cons of high battery compartment vs. low battery compartment. I lean toward the M4s for the same reason I like flip covers oriented to flip down - unobstructed site and peripheral view up top. What say the esteemed members? Also the switch is bit more sheltered on the m4s. When I've seen Aimpoints break its been from hard hits on the switch, granted that was usually negligence or shitty luck but it happens. Good point. In addition to getting damaged, it is also handy to keep the knob from getting brushed. Many, many times downrange I have found my Aimpoint brightness to be lower or higher than I set it due to the knobs getting brushed throughout the course of an Infantry medic's day. Just because I can leave it on for years doesn't mean it's going to stay where I put it. I went through most of OIF1 without an optic since the M2 would turn itself up and batteries would drain in no time at all. Indexing my M68 knob actually became a tick for me. Back then, spare batteries were like crystal skulls - thus, I ended up having to run irons and IR exclusively for most of the excitement in the early war. The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. |
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The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. The M4/M4s knobs are not connected to the rheostat, so if you knock it off, it still works just the same. I spent some time again last week with a T2 and it is definitely a step up from the T1 but still not as good as the M4/M4s. I was shooting in bright outdoor conditions and I would get a significant glare from something at the bottom of the objective lens when the sun hit it. Think a rock chip in a windshield that glints sun right into your eyes. I think the lenses of the M4/M4s are recessed further in the body and it eliminates that issue. Not to mention that Aimpoint reps have told me hands down the M4/M4s are the toughest optic they've ever built and even the T2 is not in the same league durability-wise. |
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The M4/M4s knobs are not connected to the rheostat, so if you knock it off, it still works just the same. Quoted:
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The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. The M4/M4s knobs are not connected to the rheostat, so if you knock it off, it still works just the same. This is true - I was referring to the improvement in terms of the M4s' lower knob being less-prone to turning itself up or down in intensity. |
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This is true - I was referring to the improvement in terms of the M4s' lower knob being less-prone to turning itself up or down in intensity. Quoted:
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The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. The M4/M4s knobs are not connected to the rheostat, so if you knock it off, it still works just the same. This is true - I was referring to the improvement in terms of the M4s' lower knob being less-prone to turning itself up or down in intensity. Yep. I've handled a few T2s and they ever have real mushy and stiff knobs, or real mushy and light knobs. Not real excited about the T2 myself. |
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Quoted: Good point. In addition to getting damaged, it is also handy to keep the knob from getting brushed. Many, many times downrange I have found my Aimpoint brightness to be lower or higher than I set it due to the knobs getting brushed throughout the course of an Infantry medic's day. Just because I can leave it on for years doesn't mean it's going to stay where I put it. I went through most of OIF1 without an optic since the M2 would turn itself up and batteries would drain in no time at all. Indexing my M68 knob actually became a tick for me. Back then, spare batteries were like crystal skulls - thus, I ended up having to run irons and IR exclusively for most of the excitement in the early war. The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What are the pros and cons of high battery compartment vs. low battery compartment. I lean toward the M4s for the same reason I like flip covers oriented to flip down - unobstructed site and peripheral view up top. What say the esteemed members? Also the switch is bit more sheltered on the m4s. When I've seen Aimpoints break its been from hard hits on the switch, granted that was usually negligence or shitty luck but it happens. Good point. In addition to getting damaged, it is also handy to keep the knob from getting brushed. Many, many times downrange I have found my Aimpoint brightness to be lower or higher than I set it due to the knobs getting brushed throughout the course of an Infantry medic's day. Just because I can leave it on for years doesn't mean it's going to stay where I put it. I went through most of OIF1 without an optic since the M2 would turn itself up and batteries would drain in no time at all. Indexing my M68 knob actually became a tick for me. Back then, spare batteries were like crystal skulls - thus, I ended up having to run irons and IR exclusively for most of the excitement in the early war. The M4s (and T-1/2 knobs even more so) are a big improvement in that area. I'd like to note this post for everyone drooling over the Trij MRO. Putting an off setting in the middle of the brightness range with a knob smack on top of the optic despite on-all-the-time battery life is fucking stupid. How many rounds could you have fired while you were instead processing why you can't find the dot at all? At least with an Aimpoint something will probably be there. As for the M4s, yes I have to run a cantilever mount (GDI) to fit the magnifier and BUIS behind it, and the LaRue FTS mount hinge makes me leave an extra slot between mounts to avoid the low switch. The knob is easy to reach with my left hand using my thumb and forefinger in a "C" around the ocular even with the 3x flipped up. I prefer the M4s for visibility and knob protection and a general clean look. |
| Thank you all for your considerate replies. I was able to pick up a new in box M4s with the Aimpoint mount for less than $600 from a private party who received it as a gift and could not go ahead with the build project. I almost feel like I stole it at that price. I'll add a Bobro mount and Aimpoint transparent flip covers front and rear. |
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