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Posted: 8/18/2015 6:20:33 PM EDT
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Has anyone run into problems with the VCOG?
We had a few today to play with, about 70-80 guys shooting 15 rnds a piece. They seemed to lose zero (stated to be zeroed at 100). Guys were missing easy shots at 50 yards and I mean missing hitting the ground with the target 2 feet off the ground. Some shooters came back stating that they had to hold low to get hits and other saying they were holding higher than they should have. During my time I noticed something fly off the optic, Im not sure what it was, a battery cap or turret cover, I didnt get to look after. However, several others mentioned seeing it happen when I was shooting and reported something similar when they shot. Ill admit that I dont know much at all about the optic and Im not trying to bash the company or product. Just looking to see if anyone else has seen issues. Thanks |
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I've never had my VCOG "lose zero" or had anything "fly off" when shooting with it. Of all the complaints that I have seen with the VCOG, neither of the issues you've mentioned seem to be among them.
Sounds like a shoddy mount installation or something similar to me. |
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I've never had my VCOG "lose zero" or had anything "fly off" when shooting with it. Of all the complaints that I have seen with the VCOG, neither of the issues you've mentioned seem to be among them. Sounds like a shoddy mount installation or something similar to me. Larry Vickers had an issue with the VCOG of a wondering zero, I doubt he mounted it improperly. |
| Most of the issues I have heard and experienced were optically related. That said, LAV had an issue, and while LAV is Aimpoint's boy, he's also not going to snub a company like Trijicon when he is comped an optic. That's not how you go about buttering your bread, so if he reported the issue, it WAS an issue. One he couldn't gloss over for the sake of company relations, which are first and forefront in LAV's mind, based on his personal track-record. |
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. |
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I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Quoted:
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. There actually ARE hundreds of VCOG's being used to enlisted troops, and so far they are holding up well enough, physically. |
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I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Quoted:
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Here we go............ 
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Here we go............ They are all known issues, but the OP was asking about issues, so... |
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Here we go............ They are all known issues opinions, but the OP was asking about issues, so... Fixed it for ya 
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The only problem I've heard personally was with the price, the only real complaint ive heard was LAV's. I have plenty of gripes about the VCOG, lack of daylight bright illumination, mediocre at best field of view and crappy reticle choices being the main gripes which make it over priced compared to it's peers (Mk6 & K16i being its main competitors) but I have to agree with you overall I don't read about massive issues with zero shift, however not a lot of guys buying VCOGs and running them hard so I do give LAV's experience it's proper clearance as his integrity in my mind is unquestioned. Here we go............ They are all known issues opinions, but the OP was asking about issues, so... Fixed it for ya
The only "opinion" is my opinion about the crappy reticle choices and it's a widely shared opinion by anyone who knows anything (durt shooters love it though). I was being generous saying the field of view was mediocre, every Tom, Dick & Harry making a low end scope has a 95ish foot field of view at 100 yards (Trijicon's new Accupoint smoke the VCOG in virtually every way including field of view), well made scopes have a markedly wider field of view and it is also not my opinion that the VCOG is not daylight bright, it is fact. It is also a fact that LAV had a wandering zero on his VCOG. Sorry bro but sometimes facts hurt. |
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I do own one. If LAV had issues that is a concern. He is a really good source for info. Don't freak out though. I'd like to hear and see more. Maybe hold off on buying one until we know more? Here are my thoughts as if you should care. It is far from my favorite or the best 1-4/6/8 that I own, Tom dick and Harry did a pretty good job with it. I'd give it a B-. (As if my opinion matters  ) if you stop reading I don't blame you.)
Reticle issues if you don't like em that's cool and understandable. Imo it's very limited bc it's so simple, which I found is a good thing. I have other optics to fill other rolls. People new to shooting like my VCOG because it's easy. I find it's fast in the woods on coyotes and the like. Field of view at 100y is 95' and 16' (mk6 1-6 is 106' and 19' ish) isn't great but doesn't bother me in the slightest on 1x or 6x. Kind of heavy? Yes. (Mk6 17oz vs VCOG 23oz) Lots of ACOG mounts to chose from. (I use larue) The daytime bright thing.... This is the one that makes me roll my eyes. In my experience (I'm an Aimpoint fan) a Surefire weapon light (scout light) or a very sunny day can wash out even the best RDS. Any bright light on a light background can kill a RDS, like a sand embankment or white sheetrock wall. (One reason I don't use a RDS on my gock. I prefer a X300 and irons.) The VCOG (like mk6) has the benefit of dark crosshairs, so if the red dot is washed out, you can use dark reticle to continue to put rounds on target. The illumination isn't Aimpoint, eotech, or SB short dot bright. It is visible at noon on a sunny day in the woods or a field where I live in the south east. I'm sure a white sandy dune at noon will kill it though. Again just use the black reticle in the MK6 or VCOG. I don't need illumination when it's bright outside at 6x but it's nice to have on 1x. Therefore, I'm sure the target will be closer and the reticle lines imo work just fine if it's washed out. Again, I don't find that it washes out a lot or at all. After owning a MK6 1-6 side by side with the VCOG imo they're in the same ball park as far as brightness. The VCOG did have a more forgiving eyebox where I found the MK6 red dot flickered. Not the end of the world because the MK6 is lighter and has a better field of view. The MK6 also has adjustable .1 mil turrets and the CMR with wind reticle. The VCOG has capped turrets so no adjustments after zeroing. I prefer Horus reticles and couldn't get use to the CMR. I don't know why, but I guess because the MK6 is a FFP on 6x the reticle felt too thick to me. I think a lot of 1-4/6 would benefit from being a SFP. (I mean really who uses it on 3.4x or whatever?) Then again I'm no expert. I've had some limited experience now with the Kahles 1-6 and I'm very impressed. Not enough time with one to share any experiences though. So is the VCOG expensive for what you're getting? Yes and no. It depends on what you want. I think of the VCOG as the ACOG 2.0. Nothing more. I DO HATE THE FLIP COVERS. They constantly mess with the eyepiece ocular focus. Bad design. Just give us some bikini covers or a way to lock it. Will I keep the VCOG forever? I do not know. I have a few optics I can't see ever selling but the VCOG isn't one of those. If I wanted one $1500-2k 1-4/6x it wouldn't be the VCOG. If I wanted an ACOG I'd buy a VCOG. I hope this helps. Sorry this went too long. |
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^^^^^^^^ I do own one. If LAV had issues that is a concern. He is a really good source for info. Don't freak out though. I'd like to hear and see more. Maybe hold off on buying one until we know more? Here are my thoughts as if you should care. It is far from my favorite or the best 1-4/6/8 that I own, Tom dick and Harry did a pretty good job with it. I'd give it a B-. (As if my opinion matters ) if you stop reading I don't blame you.)
Reticle issues if you don't like em that's cool and understandable. Imo it's very limited bc it's so simple, which I found is a good thing. I have other optics to fill other rolls. People new to shooting like my VCOG because it's easy. I find it's fast in the woods on coyotes and the like. Field of view at 100y is 95' and 16' (mk6 1-6 is 106' and 19' ish) isn't great but doesn't bother me in the slightest on 1x or 6x. Kind of heavy? Yes. (Mk6 17oz vs VCOG 23oz) Lots of ACOG mounts to chose from. (I use larue) The daytime bright thing.... This is the one that makes me roll my eyes. In my experience (I'm an Aimpoint fan) a Surefire weapon light (scout light) or a very sunny day can wash out even the best RDS. Any bright light on a light background can kill a RDS, like a sand embankment or white sheetrock wall. (One reason I don't use a RDS on my gock. I prefer a X300 and irons.) The VCOG (like mk6) has the benefit of dark crosshairs, so if the red dot is washed out, you can use dark reticle to continue to put rounds on target. The illumination isn't Aimpoint, eotech, or SB short dot bright. It is visible at noon on a sunny day in the woods or a field where I live in the south east. I'm sure a white sandy dune at noon will kill it though. Again just use the black reticle in the MK6 or VCOG. I don't need illumination when it's bright outside at 6x but it's nice to have on 1x. Therefore, I'm sure the target will be closer and the reticle lines imo work just fine if it's washed out. Again, I don't find that it washes out a lot or at all. After owning a MK6 1-6 side by side with the VCOG imo they're in the same ball park as far as brightness. The VCOG did have a more forgiving eyebox where I found the MK6 red dot flickered. Not the end of the world because the MK6 is lighter and has a better field of view. The MK6 also has adjustable .1 mil turrets and the CMR with wind reticle. The VCOG has capped turrets so no adjustments after zeroing. I prefer Horus reticles and couldn't get use to the CMR. I don't know why, but I guess because the MK6 is a FFP on 6x the reticle felt too thick to me. I think a lot of 1-4/6 would benefit from being a SFP. (I mean really who uses it on 3.4x or whatever?) Then again I'm no expert. I've had some limited experience now with the Kahles 1-6 and I'm very impressed. Not enough time with one to share any experiences though. So is the VCOG expensive for what you're getting? Yes and no. It depends on what you want. I think of the VCOG as the ACOG 2.0. Nothing more. I DO HATE THE FLIP COVERS. They constantly mess with the eyepiece ocular focus. Bad design. Just give us some bikini covers or a way to lock it. Will I keep the VCOG forever? I do not know. I have a few optics I can't see ever selling but the VCOG isn't one of those. If I wanted one $1500-2k 1-4/6x it wouldn't be the VCOG. If I wanted an ACOG I'd buy a VCOG. I hope this helps. Sorry this went too long. I had issues with diopter focus, but otherwise agree. Honestly, it's pretty lackluster for $2k. |
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^^^^^^^^ I do own one. If LAV had issues that is a concern. He is a really good source for info. Don't freak out though. I'd like to hear and see more. Maybe hold off on buying one until we know more? Here are my thoughts as if you should care. It is far from my favorite or the best 1-4/6/8 that I own, Tom dick and Harry did a pretty good job with it. I'd give it a B-. (As if my opinion matters ) if you stop reading I don't blame you.)
Reticle issues if you don't like em that's cool and understandable. Imo it's very limited bc it's so simple, which I found is a good thing. I have other optics to fill other rolls. People new to shooting like my VCOG because it's easy. I find it's fast in the woods on coyotes and the like. Field of view at 100y is 95' and 16' (mk6 1-6 is 106' and 19' ish) isn't great but doesn't bother me in the slightest on 1x or 6x. Kind of heavy? Yes. (Mk6 17oz vs VCOG 23oz) Lots of ACOG mounts to chose from. (I use larue) The daytime bright thing.... This is the one that makes me roll my eyes. In my experience (I'm an Aimpoint fan) a Surefire weapon light (scout light) or a very sunny day can wash out even the best RDS. Any bright light on a light background can kill a RDS, like a sand embankment or white sheetrock wall. (One reason I don't use a RDS on my gock. I prefer a X300 and irons.) The VCOG (like mk6) has the benefit of dark crosshairs, so if the red dot is washed out, you can use dark reticle to continue to put rounds on target. The illumination isn't Aimpoint, eotech, or SB short dot bright. It is visible at noon on a sunny day in the woods or a field where I live in the south east. I'm sure a white sandy dune at noon will kill it though. Again just use the black reticle in the MK6 or VCOG. I don't need illumination when it's bright outside at 6x but it's nice to have on 1x. Therefore, I'm sure the target will be closer and the reticle lines imo work just fine if it's washed out. Again, I don't find that it washes out a lot or at all. After owning a MK6 1-6 side by side with the VCOG imo they're in the same ball park as far as brightness. The VCOG did have a more forgiving eyebox where I found the MK6 red dot flickered. Not the end of the world because the MK6 is lighter and has a better field of view. The MK6 also has adjustable .1 mil turrets and the CMR with wind reticle. The VCOG has capped turrets so no adjustments after zeroing. I prefer Horus reticles and couldn't get use to the CMR. I don't know why, but I guess because the MK6 is a FFP on 6x the reticle felt too thick to me. I think a lot of 1-4/6 would benefit from being a SFP. (I mean really who uses it on 3.4x or whatever?) Then again I'm no expert. I've had some limited experience now with the Kahles 1-6 and I'm very impressed. Not enough time with one to share any experiences though. So is the VCOG expensive for what you're getting? Yes and no. It depends on what you want. I think of the VCOG as the ACOG 2.0. Nothing more. I DO HATE THE FLIP COVERS. They constantly mess with the eyepiece ocular focus. Bad design. Just give us some bikini covers or a way to lock it. Will I keep the VCOG forever? I do not know. I have a few optics I can't see ever selling but the VCOG isn't one of those. If I wanted one $1500-2k 1-4/6x it wouldn't be the VCOG. If I wanted an ACOG I'd buy a VCOG. I hope this helps. Sorry this went too long. Wait did you write this or did I write this? I'd give it a B- also, problem is they want A or A+ money for it, that is/was my beef with it. If you don't own the Kahles, I suggest buying one, you'll become spoiled quick. 
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Bmad, I think we agree on many of the shortcomings with the VCOG. I still like it for some reason though. Kind of a "to each his own" thing I guess. Don't buy before you try I'd say. I'm eyeballing the Kahles big time. Have had limited opportunity to shoot one but I like many of the features and it's optical clarity as well. What reticle are you running? |
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^^^^^^ Bmad, I think we agree on many of the shortcomings with the VCOG. I still like it for some reason though. Kind of a "to each his own" thing I guess. Don't buy before you try I'd say. I'm eyeballing the Kahles big time. Have had limited opportunity to shoot one but I like many of the features and it's optical clarity as well. What reticle are you running? SM1, I really love it. I had an Eotech once upon a time, loved the reticle, hated it's unreliability but that's another issue for another thread. It would take a hell of an optic to dethrone the K16i in my mind in the 1-6/8 category although I just found out the S&B 1.1-8 is no longer vaporware so I might give one of those a go. |
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