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Posted: 7/8/2015 4:16:35 PM EDT
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Well, the title is a little misleading since both options involve a scope.
So, with the parts for my 20in "SPR" on the way, I am debating on whether or not to use a PA 4x14 FFP or a 1x6 scope. Know, I know some of you will bash me for putting a $250 scope on a $700 AR but I like my 4x14 scope alot. I have always used a more traditional optics like a high magnification scopes when doing any hunting or target practice. Reaching out to 200,300,500 or even 800m is not to hard with a 14 power optic. Now, with the 1x6, I open up close range shots that are hard with a 4x14 scope, but what about long range? I may use this gun for hogs and the 1x6 appeals to me due to the problems I have of shooting offhand up close at a even 4x. I know the .223 round is limited which is why the max range I would want to shoot would be 800m. The PA 1x6 has drop for 800m on their optic, but can you see a man sized target that far at 6 power? |
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1-6 (or 7x or 8x) power scopes are a great match for the capabilities of an AR-15.
1x for CQB to wherever your eyes cry for more, top magnification for anything beyond. I prefer SFP or better yet DFP, although I have a hard time seeing the mil graduations on an FFP reticle below 4x. I love my Razor II 1-6 and Bushnell ET 1-6.5, both SFP BDC reticles that match the external ballistics of 55-62 grain bullets at 3000 FPS or so (typical 5.56 ammo) and I've verified both reticles out to 500 yards. I had a USO SR-8s and frankly the Bushnell is a better scope IMHO at 2/3 the cost and the Razor II better still. Vortex's new Strike Eagle is a decent option below $400... if I had need for another 1-6, I'd be looking for one of those. I do have one AR with a Bushnell ET 3-12 illuminated FFP BTR (mil hash) reticle, but it's a boat anchor with a 24" Krieger barrel. Joe |
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My Go To carbine sports a 14.5" barrel and is topped with a Leupold VX-R Patrol in the 1.25x4 power version. I regularly shoot against guys with RDS's on their carbines, Most shooting takes place between 80 and 500 yards.
I spank them like borrowed mules in competitions. Is it because I'm that much a better shooter, nope, just better, more modern equipment. |
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For an AR-15 the 1-6x ACSS will get you shooting man sized targets out to the effective range of your 20" gun. If you just need to make a hit at 600 yards, 1-6x is all you'll ever need. If you want to make a headshot (or make tiny holes in paper) more magnification always helps. On my 3 gun rifle I use a 1-6x. On my shooting groups at the range rifle, I use a 6-24x.
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| I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. |
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I don't buy economy optics so I can't comment on your brand choice.
I will say this, a 1x6, 1.5x5 or 1x4 is the best all around scope choice for an AR15 rifle. I prefer Leupold's VX-III 1.5x5 with the illuminated German #4 reticle because I can dial it down to 1.5 and turn the power on to use it like a red dot up close. I can turn the power off and dial it up to 5x for precision shots. The best of both worlds. You NEED low magnification for close range unless you want to run an offset red dot or 45 degree irons and transition to them. High magnification is great when shooting prone with a bipod or off a shooting bench but it becomes problematic. Any wiggle in your position and the crosshairs are all over the place. I see too may people put a honking huge scopes on their AR's and they look out-of-place. A 2.5x10 is as big as I go on an SPR. Everything else gets a red dot or 1x up to 6x scope. |
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I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. This is a great general purpose scope. |
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I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? |
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Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? Quoted:
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I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? Hi OP- see a thread started by clharr under outdoors then hog hunting titled killing hogs with 223/556 revisited. Keep in mind your velocities for 556 at distance from your barrel length, and if you are putting 556 in a vital area at around 2700fps it does it's job. |
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Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? Quoted:
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I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? You can hog hunt with a m193 just fine. A hog is nice and fat in most cases so you wouldn't run into the fleet yaw issue. |
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I always heard around 3x was where most people start having problems with quick engagements.
I run 1.5-5x and 2.5-8x scopes mostly. For me I think the 1.5x is a little faster than 2.5x, but still gives some reach out if needed. If I were going to be hunting pdogs I would favor the 2.5-8x scope. |
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Hi OP- see a thread started by clharr under outdoors then hog hunting titled killing hogs with 223/556 revisited. Keep in mind your velocities for 556 at distance from your barrel length, and if you are putting 556 in a vital area at around 2700fps it does it's job. Quoted:
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I run a Leupold VXR 2x7 ballistic firedot on my 20" and has been a good setup for hogs. I primarily use m193 and almost all shots are within 100 yds or less. It's proven very effective. I run red dots on a 16 and 14.7 but again most shots are actually much less than 100 yds. Yea, that is just a bit to pricey for me. Offtopic, how efficient is M193 vs hogs? Hi OP- see a thread started by clharr under outdoors then hog hunting titled killing hogs with 223/556 revisited. Keep in mind your velocities for 556 at distance from your barrel length, and if you are putting 556 in a vital area at around 2700fps it does it's job. Thank you for that! |
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