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Posted: 3/28/2015 9:23:26 PM EDT
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I got my new G33 magnifier. I set it up with my Aimpoint Pro. The dot looks pretty good. There is a little "comet" shape to the dot. But, I know that is my astigmatism. It will not be bad to deal with.
I set it up with my T1 (2 moa). Wow! My "dot" is a sideways line. No dot at all. Not good. How is the T2 supposed to be? Is it better than the T1 with a magnifier? Anyone else have problems with a T1 and magnifier. My Pro is way better. |
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I got my new G33 magnifier. I set it up with my Aimpoint Pro. The dot looks pretty good. There is a little "comet" shape to the dot. But, I know that is my astigmatism. It will not be bad to deal with. I set it up with my T1 (2 moa). Wow! My "dot" is a sideways line. No dot at all. Not good. How is the T2 supposed to be? Is it better than the T1 with a magnifier? Anyone else have problems with a T1 and magnifier. My Pro is way better. I have a G33 and a T1 and a T2, all 2 MOA. G33 + T1 = a "slash" about 4-6 MOA long at a 45* angle where the dot usually lives. G33 + T2 = a 2 MOA dot so crisp I could use the edges of it as aiming points. |
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My T1 has a small tail when in use with my G33, but its 85% a circle dot. Everything I have heard about the T2 is that its a perfect circle and is the best red dot optic out right now. I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription |
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I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription Quoted:
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My T1 has a small tail when in use with my G33, but its 85% a circle dot. Everything I have heard about the T2 is that its a perfect circle and is the best red dot optic out right now. I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription Are you magnifying them? Unmagnified, the difference is minimal. Kindof like how driving a corvette around at 1400rpm doesn't feel very impressive. But flip the G33 behind it, and it's like that LS7 at 6500rpm and climbing. Whole 'nother world of performance! |
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Are you magnifying them? Unmagnified, the difference is minimal. Kindof like how driving a corvette around at 1400rpm doesn't feel very impressive. But flip the G33 behind it, and it's like that LS7 at 6500rpm and climbing. Whole 'nother world of performance! Quoted:
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My T1 has a small tail when in use with my G33, but its 85% a circle dot. Everything I have heard about the T2 is that its a perfect circle and is the best red dot optic out right now. I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription Are you magnifying them? Unmagnified, the difference is minimal. Kindof like how driving a corvette around at 1400rpm doesn't feel very impressive. But flip the G33 behind it, and it's like that LS7 at 6500rpm and climbing. Whole 'nother world of performance! Dont have a G33 but tomorrow I might put a fixed power scope behind one just to see.... |
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My T1 has a small tail when in use with my G33, but its 85% a circle dot. Everything I have heard about the T2 is that its a perfect circle and is the best red dot optic out right now. I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription Are you magnifying them? Unmagnified, the difference is minimal. Kindof like how driving a corvette around at 1400rpm doesn't feel very impressive. But flip the G33 behind it, and it's like that LS7 at 6500rpm and climbing. Whole 'nother world of performance! Dont have a G33 but tomorrow I might put a fixed power scope behind one just to see.... The differences are absurd. |
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I have a G33 and a T1 and a T2, all 2 MOA. G33 + T1 = a "slash" about 4-6 MOA long at a 45* angle where the dot usually lives. G33 + T2 = a 2 MOA dot so crisp I could use the edges of it as aiming points. Quoted:
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I got my new G33 magnifier. I set it up with my Aimpoint Pro. The dot looks pretty good. There is a little "comet" shape to the dot. But, I know that is my astigmatism. It will not be bad to deal with. I set it up with my T1 (2 moa). Wow! My "dot" is a sideways line. No dot at all. Not good. How is the T2 supposed to be? Is it better than the T1 with a magnifier? Anyone else have problems with a T1 and magnifier. My Pro is way better. I have a G33 and a T1 and a T2, all 2 MOA. G33 + T1 = a "slash" about 4-6 MOA long at a 45* angle where the dot usually lives. G33 + T2 = a 2 MOA dot so crisp I could use the edges of it as aiming points. My G33 + T1 does exactly this. A slash at 45 degrees. I wanted to use the magnifier with both guns (Pro + T1). Now, I am considering selling the T1 and getting another pro. I don't have the cash to go to a T2 right now. |
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Quoted: The differences are absurd. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My T1 has a small tail when in use with my G33, but its 85% a circle dot. Everything I have heard about the T2 is that its a perfect circle and is the best red dot optic out right now. I have both and I honestly do not see much if any difference at all between the dots I have an astigmatism which is somewhat corrected by my glasses prescription Are you magnifying them? Unmagnified, the difference is minimal. Kindof like how driving a corvette around at 1400rpm doesn't feel very impressive. But flip the G33 behind it, and it's like that LS7 at 6500rpm and climbing. Whole 'nother world of performance! Dont have a G33 but tomorrow I might put a fixed power scope behind one just to see.... The differences are absurd. |
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Went to the gunshow today. I got to try a T2 behind a G33. Horrible. To my dismay, the Eotech EXPS 2-0 looked amazing with the G33. The dot actually looked better with the magnifier than without. It was crisp and clear and perfectly circular.
So, as it stands: 1. I have a Pro that is useable. But, not perfect with the G33. 2. I have a T1 that is completely worthless with the G33. It is horrible. My crappy 53 year old eyes like the Eotech. My logical brain (durability and battery life) likes the Aimpoint. I am actually considering selling my Aimpoints and getting EXPS 2-0s. I want magnification on a fighting rifle. I feel like a Republican that may be asked to marry a Democrat. As a rabbid Aimpoint fan, I feel dirty. |
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Went to the gunshow today. I got to try a T2 behind a G33. Horrible. To my dismay, the Eotech EXPS 2-0 looked amazing with the G33. The dot actually looked better with the magnifier than without. It was crisp and clear and perfectly circular. So, as it stands: 1. I have a Pro that is useable. But, not perfect with the G33. 2. I have a T1 that is completely worthless with the G33. It is horrible. My crappy 53 year old eyes like the Eotech. My logical brain (durability and battery life) likes the Aimpoint. I am actually considering selling my Aimpoints and getting EXPS 2-0s. I want magnification on a fighting rifle. I feel like a Republican that may be asked to marry a Democrat. As a rabbid Aimpoint fan, I feel dirty. Very odd. Each experience is unique, though. Ps....did you actually adjust diopter? I can make my t2 look like a cloud of worthlessness if I dick with the diopter setting on the g33. My eotech and aimpoint also had different diopter preferences... With the diopter off, you get a scattered "cloud" of red 4 to 8 moa across depending on how bad off diopter is. |
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Quoted: Went to the gunshow today. I got to try a T2 behind a G33. Horrible. To my dismay, the Eotech EXPS 2-0 looked amazing with the G33. The dot actually looked better with the magnifier than without. It was crisp and clear and perfectly circular. So, as it stands: 1. I have a Pro that is useable. But, not perfect with the G33. 2. I have a T1 that is completely worthless with the G33. It is horrible. My crappy 53 year old eyes like the Eotech. My logical brain (durability and battery life) likes the Aimpoint. I am actually considering selling my Aimpoints and getting EXPS 2-0s. I want magnification on a fighting rifle. I feel like a Republican that may be asked to marry a Democrat. As a rabbid Aimpoint fan, I feel dirty. |
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With G33 my T1 was a slash. T2 is a clear dot. Lens tint and small tube on the T2 still make the image less desirable than a magnified Eotech, but it is workable. Yes, I agree, but the weight savings, and the fact that I KNOW THERE WILL BE! a dot make it better than the Eotech, for me. |
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Juke - I was in an area that had access to an outdoor area. The dots all looked worse indoors. I think this is because my pupil expands indoors and lets more light in.
12 gauge - thank you for pointing out that the Pro and T1 will have different diopters. I assumed they would be the same. Plus, people told me to adjust the diopter to make the target clear. I know this is wrong now. I was able to adjust the diopter to make the "slash" on my T1 turn into a cluster of grapes that looks just like a triangle with the real dot on the top. I could make it work if I treated the tip of the triangle as the aiming point. I adjusted the diopter (focusing on the dot) on my Pro and it is near perfect. So, I can live with the triangle of the T1. Or, I can sell it for a Pro. Or, I can just get two EXPS 2-0. The EXPS 2-0 looked better than the T1 or even the Pro. |
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Juke - I was in an area that had access to an outdoor area. The dots all looked worse indoors. I think this is because my pupil expands indoors and lets more light in. 12 gauge - thank you for pointing out that the Pro and T1 will have different diopters. I assumed they would be the same. Plus, people told me to adjust the diopter to make the target clear. I know this is wrong now. I was able to adjust the diopter to make the "slash" on my T1 turn into a cluster of grapes that looks just like a triangle with the real dot on the top. I could make it work if I treated the tip of the triangle as the aiming point. I adjusted the diopter (focusing on the dot) on my Pro and it is near perfect. So, I can live with the triangle of the T1. Or, I can sell it for a Pro. Or, I can just get two EXPS 2-0. The EXPS 2-0 looked better than the T1 or even the Pro. I feel know what you saying to some degree, have you tried it with your glasses? I guess personally given the low battery life of Eotech I would not switch if you like the always on. I would put the red dot and magnifier on the one that is the clearest and leave it. If this is for HD why would you be switching it from one rifle to another? I have a manfier behind my PA micro for hunting and it works well a very slight comet effect, when I put it behind my PRO it was clear. |
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Juke - I was in an area that had access to an outdoor area. The dots all looked worse indoors. I think this is because my pupil expands indoors and lets more light in. 12 gauge - thank you for pointing out that the Pro and T1 will have different diopters. I assumed they would be the same. Plus, people told me to adjust the diopter to make the target clear. I know this is wrong now. No, adjust the diopter while looking at the sky or something far away to make the DOT clear. Do it in "bursts" rather than all at once, to make sure your eyes are not getting used to things and compensating instead of the machine compensating. There is a huge long explanation for this, but I'll leave that for the medical forums. I was able to adjust the diopter to make the "slash" on my T1 turn into a cluster of grapes that looks just like a triangle with the real dot on the top. I could make it work if I treated the tip of the triangle as the aiming point. I adjusted the diopter (focusing on the dot) on my Pro and it is near perfect. Do this with a T2. IT should do great. It really should. Because I can make my T1 look like you described as well. So, I can live with the triangle of the T1. Or, I can sell it for a Pro. Or, I can just get two EXPS 2-0. The EXPS 2-0 looked better than the T1 or even the Pro. I'm really curious what you can accomplish properly using the magnifier behind the T2... |
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Quoted: Juke - I was in an area that had access to an outdoor area. The dots all looked worse indoors. I think this is because my pupil expands indoors and lets more light in. 12 gauge - thank you for pointing out that the Pro and T1 will have different diopters. I assumed they would be the same. Plus, people told me to adjust the diopter to make the target clear. I know this is wrong now. I was able to adjust the diopter to make the "slash" on my T1 turn into a cluster of grapes that looks just like a triangle with the real dot on the top. I could make it work if I treated the tip of the triangle as the aiming point. I adjusted the diopter (focusing on the dot) on my Pro and it is near perfect. So, I can live with the triangle of the T1. Or, I can sell it for a Pro. Or, I can just get two EXPS 2-0. The EXPS 2-0 looked better than the T1 or even the Pro. That sucks man. Gluck |
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Bad eyesight sucks.
For home defense, I really don't need a magnifier. But, for SHTF, I can see a magnifier being very valuable. I would like both rifles to be able to accept the magnifier and work well. The Pro is good. The T1 is not as horrible as it was. But, it is still not good. I could sell the T1 and buy a T2. That would be about a $200 cost and have some risk of failure because I have not personally seen it work with the magnifier. I could sell the T1 and buy a Pro and probably gain a few dollars. Same thing for the EXPS. |
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Bad eyesight sucks. For home defense, I really don't need a magnifier. But, for SHTF, I can see a magnifier being very valuable. I would like both rifles to be able to accept the magnifier and work well. The Pro is good. The T1 is not as horrible as it was. But, it is still not good. I could sell the T1 and buy a T2. That would be about a $200 cost and have some risk of failure because I have not personally seen it work with the magnifier. I could sell the T1 and buy a Pro and probably gain a few dollars. Same thing for the EXPS. Go play with a T2 again before investing, but if your T1 is "workable", then a T2 should be great! That is my personal exact experience, anyway. I think the diopter was not set correctly for your eyes/that optic, as you said the Eotech looked good. I cannot see an EO using the same diopter settings as a T2. |
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Quoted: Go play with a T2 again before investing, but if your T1 is "workable", then a T2 should be great! That is my personal exact experience, anyway. I think the diopter was not set correctly for your eyes/that optic, as you said the Eotech looked good. I cannot see an EO using the same diopter settings as a T2. Quoted: Quoted: Bad eyesight sucks. For home defense, I really don't need a magnifier. But, for SHTF, I can see a magnifier being very valuable. I would like both rifles to be able to accept the magnifier and work well. The Pro is good. The T1 is not as horrible as it was. But, it is still not good. I could sell the T1 and buy a T2. That would be about a $200 cost and have some risk of failure because I have not personally seen it work with the magnifier. I could sell the T1 and buy a Pro and probably gain a few dollars. Same thing for the EXPS. Go play with a T2 again before investing, but if your T1 is "workable", then a T2 should be great! That is my personal exact experience, anyway. I think the diopter was not set correctly for your eyes/that optic, as you said the Eotech looked good. I cannot see an EO using the same diopter settings as a T2.  so I'd take his advice. |
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+1 and 12_guage is a bit of an optics snob so I'd take his advice.
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Bad eyesight sucks. For home defense, I really don't need a magnifier. But, for SHTF, I can see a magnifier being very valuable. I would like both rifles to be able to accept the magnifier and work well. The Pro is good. The T1 is not as horrible as it was. But, it is still not good. I could sell the T1 and buy a T2. That would be about a $200 cost and have some risk of failure because I have not personally seen it work with the magnifier. I could sell the T1 and buy a Pro and probably gain a few dollars. Same thing for the EXPS. Go play with a T2 again before investing, but if your T1 is "workable", then a T2 should be great! That is my personal exact experience, anyway. I think the diopter was not set correctly for your eyes/that optic, as you said the Eotech looked good. I cannot see an EO using the same diopter settings as a T2. so I'd take his advice.
To be fair, all eyes are different, but OP is saying he sees similar to what I see with the T1 if I look at it from a funky angle through the magnifier where the dot is in the outer 10% of the tube (which actually helps, although it does induce paralax up close). During LAV's trip to Aimpoint, they confirmed that the dot needs to be "in the center 50% of the viewing window" to avoid parallax. That said, this mirrors my experience shooting the T1 at 100 yards. I could induce 2-3" of parallax/shift by not doing this. Kyle Lamb actually showed me the light when he flipped my FSP up, and had me re-zero. Things were much easier and the adjustments I was making, made sense. SO yes, a RDS really truly honestly does have parallax no-matter what people claim. This is WITHOUT a magnifier. Speaking of which, I tested for parallax, just by looking through both optics (no live shooting) Across my livingroom, I could induce parallax by shifting my head position either with, or without the magnifier. Across the parkinglot, about 50 yards (optics sitting on my kitchen counter...not on the rifle...) I could induce maybe 1/2"-1" of parallax using the magnifier, if I held the magnifier wayyyy off to the side to the point where the image was blurred. As in, your cheek weld would be absolute shit, or your magnifier half-flipped to the side to actually achieve this view. I could not, with my naked eye, see a shift of over 1" at 50 yards with or without the magnifier. I honestly saw NO shift, but my margin of error at 50 yards with my eyes is about 1". I can easily see 9mm bullet holes in 50 yard targets, sometimes 5.56 holes if they are on an amazingly contrasting target (say, white posterboard with black backdrop behind), so I have decent vision (tests out to 20/8, or so, as I can read the 20/10 lines on eye-charts from a couple feet behind the official line.) All I'm saying is, if there were significant POI shift, I think I would have seen it. That said, nothing beats actually SHOOTING, and I hope to do that next week when I have some more time off. |
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Went to the gunshow today. I got to try a T2 behind a G33. Horrible. To my dismay, the Eotech EXPS 2-0 looked amazing with the G33. The dot actually looked better with the magnifier than without. It was crisp and clear and perfectly circular. So, as it stands: 1. I have a Pro that is useable. But, not perfect with the G33. 2. I have a T1 that is completely worthless with the G33. It is horrible. My crappy 53 year old eyes like the Eotech. My logical brain (durability and battery life) likes the Aimpoint. I am actually considering selling my Aimpoints and getting EXPS 2-0s. I want magnification on a fighting rifle. I feel like a Republican that may be asked to marry a Democrat. As a rabbid Aimpoint fan, I feel dirty. Yup...I have the cheaper Primary Arms 3x magnifier with LER mounted behind my Eotech XPS2 and it a thing of beauty. The Eotech circle reticle appears perfect. Not a Democrate....just the Tea Party!! |
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It's not a T1 or T2, but I got rid of a Pro for just such a reason. I have recurrent corneal erosion, and it's caused some corneal scarring. Looking through the Pro looked like a star, thought that was as good as it got. Tried out a Vortex Sparc of all things, dot was better than the Pro on red, still some flaring but better. Switched it over to green, and it was night and day, nice crisp green dot, I was pissed.
Haven't decided what to do next, what I've read so far has been helpful, tagging for when I can finish reading, thanks. |
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I put the EXPS 2-0 in the online shopping cart. I select the shipping method. I even entered my card information.
But, I could not pull the trigger. I just can't. I am going to live with the shape of the Aimpoint dots (my astigmatism fault). Reliability and battery life are just too important to trade away on a HD / SHTF gun. Dot shape is no big deal for HD. The dot could be shaped like a ninja throwing star and get the job done. |
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Quoted: I put the EXPS 2-0 in the online shopping cart. I select the shipping method. I even entered my card information. But, I could not pull the trigger. I just can't. I am going to live with the shape of the Aimpoint dots (my astigmatism fault). Reliability and battery life are just too important to trade away on a HD / SHTF gun. Dot shape is no big deal for HD. The dot could be shaped like a ninja throwing star and get the job done. |
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I put my T1 up for sale on ebay and ordered another Pro from Larue. That should solve the problem. The Pro is good enough with magnification. Selling the T1 will make it a $0 swap.
Problem solved. Someday, I will ditch both when a true 1x, daylight bright, light, durable, and affordable 1-X scope is released. I wanted to get the Eotech. But, I just don't trust them. |
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I put my T1 up for sale on ebay and ordered another Pro from Larue. That should solve the problem. The Pro is good enough with magnification. Selling the T1 will make it a $0 swap. Problem solved. Someday, I will ditch both when a true 1x, daylight bright, light, durable, and affordable 1-X scope is released. I wanted to get the Eotech. But, I just don't trust them. The scope is out there- affordable is a relative term. |
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I like everything about the VCOG. But, I do not want to pay that type of money. So, the Pro + magnifier is my go to setup.
For CQB, the Pro is better than the VCOG. For distance, the VCOG wins. I tend to need to shoot more people close to me than far away from me. |
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