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Posted: 3/23/2015 12:30:01 PM EDT
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Ordered one Sunday. Shipped today  . I'll let you know.
I've got a compC3 I bought about 12 years ago for $259 bucks new and it was the best optic purchase I ever made. Not tacticool and not used in the sandbox/military but its going strong after a dozen years. It's been tossed in a lot of barrels and hunted with in the cold, snow and rain. All I need. I don't care if it has scope caps- Bikini caps are available. Mine's never been more than a 1/8 inch under water so that's not an issue- if it gets underwater I'm letting go of the rifle and swimming. No night vision capability? I don't own any and I ain't buying any. Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years. |
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Quoted: 12'er. " Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years." Quoted: Quoted: Week battery life pass for a Pro or Eo 512 12'er. " Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years." Not trying to be 'that guy', and I might only be a "14'er" (  ), but, perhaps he meant 'weak' and not 'week'... |
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12'er. " Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years." Quoted:
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Week battery life pass for a Pro or Eo 512 12'er. " Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years." '03er. How many batteries do you know that would actually survive ten years, even if they were not used? Even if they didn't leak out, they would lose their chemical ability to provide power. |
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Has anyone tried one yet? I have not and I do not plan on it. You can find PROs cheaper when they go on sale. The mount is crappier, they don't come with lens covers, and why pay the same price for the battery as the PRO uses if it isn't even going to last half as long? If they were going to cheap out by reducing battery life, they should have used a more common battery, and with the reduced features, they should have lowered the price on the ACO by about half. |
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Based on light metal chemistry, lithium cells have incredible storage capacity for their size -- many times that of alkaline or silver-oxide batteries. They also have much better cold weather performance as well as a shelf-life of 10+ years. The only downside is that lithium is a pollutant, so dispose of your lithium batteries at an approved recycling center as LiMnO2 cells are not rechargeable.
Anyway- I bought mine for less than a PRO. Don't care about the differences as stated in my original reply. I'll see how I like when it arrives today hopefully. |
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There are lithium battery makers that now advertise shelf life in excess of 10 years. That is not the issue, or should not be.
But, I have a serious problem with what appears to be a move by Aimpoint to phase out the PRO with a cheaper made product that seems a downgrade in capabilities and features, and charge the same or more for it. Just about the only real advantage I have ever seen in Aimpoint is the ability to keep it on 24/7/365. If that is gone, Aimpoint has lost its most important asset. If you have to push a button or twist a knob, then it has no real advantage over EOTech or some of the other military grade players. Aimpoint has shot itself in the foot. |
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I suspect the price will drop drastically with time. These will be $299 or less in a few months.
It is an Aimpoint CompC that has been re-badged. Not that that's a bad thing- it just needs to be $300 or less. I paid 349 for one. The PRO was 439 everywhere I looked. 90 bucks is 90 bucks. Submersible to 15 ft. Battery life one year left on setting 7. I read it wasn't NVG compatible but the first 3 settings you can't see and you can barely detect thefourth in the dark so it may work with night vision. Needs to be on 5 to really see the dot at all, even in very dim light. Mount is fine and as good as the Aimpoint QRP on my other rifle. I don't get the battery life thing. When the gun's in my trunk or safe the sight is off- takes a quick swipe to turn it on- battery lasts for years. I keep a spare in my grip so I don't worry about batteries. It's an Aimpoint- Nuff said. The turret caps are a little lower. Glass looks exactly the same as well as the emitter. Bonus is my CompC is a 4 moa and the ACO is a 2 moa. The 4 moa rings 12" plates at 200 yards every time once you figure out the hold under so I'm looking forward to using the 2 moa dot. I'm guessing it'll be deadly out to 250-300 yards. I use a 50 yd. zero for RDO's. Pics of ACO in hand next to CompC mounted on rifle. Oh, and they left the rubber ring off the rear of the ACO. Big deal. 
I would buy another tomorrow- especially if it was $299. |
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Every PRO I have purchased has been between $340 and $365. Brand new shipped.
The ACO is not just rebadged CompC. It has fewer features, and most importantly, the battery life is nowhere near the same. That means the electronics are completely different. I have said it before. If they put the lens covers back on it, include the PRO mount, and use a more common battery, the thing is worth about $250 shipped. |
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Every PRO I have purchased has been between $340 and $365. Brand new shipped. The ACO is not just rebadged CompC. It has fewer features, and most importantly, the battery life is nowhere near the same. That means the electronics are completely different. I have said it before. If they put the lens covers back on it, include the PRO mount, and use a more common battery, the thing is worth about $250 shipped. Dude. I've got the CompC (the black thing in the pictures). The "feature" the ACO is missing is the rubber ring around the rear of the sight. I had to buy the QRP mount because the CompC came standard with a freakin scope ring basically. The battery life is the same as a CompC. The glass is the same. The emitter is the same. What f%$&in features are you talking about? My entire post is ACO compared to CompC. And do us all a favor. Post a couple of links to sites that sell the PRO for $340-365. I need one more sight.. Otherwise go be an expert elsewhere. You're shittin in the dude's thread and haven't answered his question. |
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Dude. I've got the CompC (the black thing in the pictures). The "feature" the ACO is missing is the rubber ring around the rear of the sight. I had to buy the QRP mount because the CompC came standard with a freakin scope ring basically. The battery life is the same as a CompC. The glass is the same. The emitter is the same. What f%$&in features are you talking about? My entire post is ACO compared to CompC. And do us all a favor. Post a couple of links to sites that sell the PRO for $340-365. I need one more sight.. Otherwise go be an expert elsewhere. You're shittin in the dude's thread and haven't answered his question. Quoted:
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Every PRO I have purchased has been between $340 and $365. Brand new shipped. The ACO is not just rebadged CompC. It has fewer features, and most importantly, the battery life is nowhere near the same. That means the electronics are completely different. I have said it before. If they put the lens covers back on it, include the PRO mount, and use a more common battery, the thing is worth about $250 shipped. Dude. I've got the CompC (the black thing in the pictures). The "feature" the ACO is missing is the rubber ring around the rear of the sight. I had to buy the QRP mount because the CompC came standard with a freakin scope ring basically. The battery life is the same as a CompC. The glass is the same. The emitter is the same. What f%$&in features are you talking about? My entire post is ACO compared to CompC. And do us all a favor. Post a couple of links to sites that sell the PRO for $340-365. I need one more sight.. Otherwise go be an expert elsewhere. You're shittin in the dude's thread and haven't answered his question. Hahaha. You made a stupid buy and are going to look like a bigger idiot trying to defend your purchase. How can I be shitting in the thread when he asked for opinions? Look at the gun writers that have reviewed them. All of them say they don't understand why the price is so close to the PRO. Do a Google search and see what everyone else thinks of them. Read the official release thread on this board and see what everyone thinks of them http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_124/658843_Aimpoint_Carbine_Optic__ACO__Official_Release.html Your ACO and CompC share an external body and that is probably about all. Just because you can't tell the difference doesn't mean you didn't buy a shit product compared to the PRO, when you take price into consideration. Aside from one used one on the EE, I have purchased my PROs at Officerstore.com and MidwayUSA. They both routinely have sales, and their optics are usually free shipping, or the website has free shipping over a certain amount. It may be a few bucks more now, because MSRP on the PRO has gone up a little, but I have paid between $340 and $374 (Ooops. I was off by nine bucks) for my PROs on several occasions. If you read through the OPTICS DEALS thread, you will many people have paid the same. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/537184_LOOKING_FOR_OPTICS_DEALS__Post_read_here___READ_OP_BEFORE_POSTING_.html You don't need to be an expert to realize how stupid it is to buy one of these when you can get a PRO for a better price. |
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My apologies Huck. I will let you know how the ACO does when I get it mounted.
Now, to set the record straight for H53expert: 1) Enjoy your refurb PROs 2) You've been wrong about everything you've posted ie: 3) Wrong about Lithium batteries lasting 10 years. 4) Wrong about "mount is crappier" on ACO. 5) Wrong about ACO not being a re badged Comp C. 6) Wrong about the ACO having "fewer features" than a Comp C. 7) Wrong about ACO having "battery life not near the same" as Comp C. 8) Wrong about electronics completely different. Once again, unless you failed reading comprehension in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL everything you've posted is bullshit and had no value answering the OP's question. I'll sit waiting patiently this weekend for you to post some sites with $350 Aimpoint PROs for sale. Like I said, I need at least one more optic for the last of my 5 rifles. Hope we hear back from you soon with some helpful information. If not I will gladly order another ACO. Maybe someone else who has actually bought and/or used an ACO will respond to the OP's question with some helpful info. |
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Ordered one Sunday. Shipped today . I'll let you know.
I've got a compC3 I bought about 12 years ago for $259 bucks new and it was the best optic purchase I ever made. Not tacticool and not used in the sandbox/military but its going strong after a dozen years. It's been tossed in a lot of barrels and hunted with in the cold, snow and rain. All I need. I don't care if it has scope caps- Bikini caps are available. Mine's never been more than a 1/8 inch under water so that's not an issue- if it gets underwater I'm letting go of the rifle and swimming. No night vision capability? I don't own any and I ain't buying any. Supposed one year battery life? Turn the damned thing off and turn it on when you need it- the battery will last ten years. That's like buying a maglite when you have a sure g2. |
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OP's question was "Has anybody tried one yet"
I answered him. He didn't ask for opinions as you stated so I guess you did fail reading comprehension. A quick search: Officer Store $400 SWFA $424 Midway $416 Palmetto $416 Optics Planet $424 Primary Arms $424 Like I said, PM or e-mail me if you see a $350 non refurb PRO for sale. I need one pretty quick. Otherwise I will probably buy another ACO as I got it and like it. It's exactly the same as my Comp C, which I obviously have and you obviously have never seen. I don't need a PRO or mil spec sight because I'm apparently not the caliber of keyboard commando you are. I spend my time building and shooting not racking up my post count on ar15.com shitting in peoples threads when they ask a straightforward question. |
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OP's question was "Has anybody tried one yet" I answered him. He didn't ask for opinions as you stated so I guess you did fail reading comprehension. A quick search: Officer Store $400 SWFA $424 Midway $416 Palmetto $416 Optics Planet $424 Primary Arms $424 Like I said, PM or e-mail me if you see a $350 non refurb PRO for sale. I need one pretty quick. Otherwise I will probably buy another ACO as I got it and like it. It's exactly the same as my Comp C, which I obviously have and you obviously have never seen. I don't need a PRO or mil spec sight because I'm apparently not the caliber of keyboard commando you are. I spend my time building and shooting not racking up my post count on ar15.com shitting in peoples threads when they ask a straightforward question. Openly asking if anyone has tried something is the same as asking for an opinion. I stated I had not tried one and gave him a good reason not to bother. If they cost $250 they would be worth bothering. They are not worth it when you can buy a brand spanking new PRO for the same or cheaper as an ACO costs now. The COMPC is discontinued. When comparing value, you are left with comparing the ACO with the PRO. Did you read any of the threads I linked? You are the only person that thinks the ACO is a worthy investment. It is illegal for vendors to sell refurbs without stating that is what they are. Is that the best you can come up with? The ones I bought, and the ones people buy all the time must be refurbs because they cost less than this new piece of shit? Read the sale thread I linked to. People buy them for about $350 all the time. I also stated you can get the PRO for much cheaper when you catch them on sale. And that is often. I didn't state I could provide you a link right now. Again that points back to your absurdity. As far as batteries on these things, do a search. Plenty of people have complained about their batteries lasting a year or two. Go ahead and buy 100 of them and check them in ten years. Let us know how many actually still work. I bet a good 30% of them fail. Here are some PROs I have purchased in the past. 
OfficerStore just had another sale less than a week ago. 
Midway still has sales all of the time. They routinely have 10%, 15%, and 20% off depending on your purchase amount. Palmetto puts them on sale all of the time. When they have their complete upper and PRO combo, the PRO can work out to less than $300. If anyone feeds into Aimpoints ripoff bullshit, and pays any more than about $250 for an ACO, when the PRO is available at the price it is, they are an idiot. Plain and simple. THAT is what the OP needs to be aware of. |
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PRO is 386@ sport optics Midway has $25 off order over $250 now. That is $368 shipped for the ACO if anyone is still inclined to waste their money. The PRO would be $399. Hell, the lens covers alone make up for that price difference. Never mind the longer battery life and the better mount with quick release and overtorque protection. $368 for the ACO plus $38 for the lens covers, $8 for the extra two batteries you are going to buy over three years, and $254 for the same mount new as the PRO uses, has you at $668 invested in an ACO equipped the same as a factory PRO. Granted, you could probably find plenty of people offloading a PRO OEM mount for about $50. But that still has you at $464 for an ACO with a used PRO mount. |
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This one? For 416?
http://www.sportoptics.com/aimpoint-pro-12841.aspx |
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add to your cart and look there |
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Looking at the specs for the ACO, the only thing about that has me curious is to why it uses a "high strength extruded aluminum" case?
Why didn't they use the same case as the PRO and drop the price? (someone educate me because I don't know all the differences between the models) |
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Looking at the specs for the ACO, the only thing about that has me curious is to why it uses a "high strength extruded aluminum" case? Why didn't they use the same case as the PRO and drop the price? (someone educate me because I don't know all the differences between the models) I haven't looked that hard into it, but I remember a similar argument being made when the PRO came out. It was supposedly made by a cheaper method. The thing is, when the PRO came out, it was priced at nearly half of what the higher models cost. If Aimpoint is going to cheapen it and reduce features even more, in the form of the ACO, they need to drop the price accordingly. This is the reason we keep getting less product for our money, because people accept it and go out and buy this crap. And by crap, I mean relatively speaking with the same company line-up. I would rather have an ACO before any Chinese optic, but not at PRO price. Hell, I'll just go buy a PRO and have more features. Even if I never use them, it has them for the same price as the model which doesn't have them. |
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Seems to me, though, that if the ACO is supposed to be an "entry level" optic, implying that it's a cheaper way to get a RDS made by a reputable company, they would have had a lower price.
8 daylight settings with no night vision? How many day settings do you need? I have a Comp M3 and a PRO, and the lowest visible setting I can't see until it's pitch black. No night vision compatibility on the ACO. I'm cool with that if I never buy a NVD. The cheaper mount? Yeah, I can see that there should be a significant price difference for that. I don't know. Just seems to me that it doesn't make sense to use the high strength extruded case on an optic that is supposed to be "entry". |
| Optics planet had 10 percent off last week using code TenLuck. Got a pro for $377.xx delivered. I watched the EE and messaged a few members and got the same ole story of $350 to $375 is the lowest I will go. Then watched the optics deals at the top of this page and found the code for optics planet. |
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