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Posted: 12/15/2014 2:37:30 PM EDT
| Knowing that they have a 55 and 77 grain model, and you would be shooting 55, 69 and 77 out of the AR, which model would you purchase? |
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Greetings,
Noticed your thread and had to chime in. I have been looking to get a new optic for my AR. Due to my older eyes and the fact that I have developed an astigmatism, red dot out of the question. I looked at ACOGS and was impressed but wanted more magnification. Had a chance to actually inspect a VCOG and was totally blow away. Best optics I have seen. Only downside was that the VCOG is a little on the heavy side. Price was also an issue. All the ones I saw were in the $2,100.00 range. I found my way to DSG and they have the VCOG on sale for $1,699.00. They sell the various versions but the only one in stock was the 223/556 55 grain with the horseshoe reticle. Since I primarily shoot 55 grain, I placed the order. I haven't found anyone that sells these for anywhere near that price. Hope this helps, cbreeze |
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So a quick run on the phone ballistic calculator - factory data for Mk 262 vs M193 at 2.7" above bore, Sea level 62 degrees.
Mk262 has more drop than 193 and assuming a 100 yard zero the 77 grain bullet will be 1.3 " Lower @ 200 yards 4" lower @ 300 yards 7.9" lower @ 400 yards 12.7" lower @ 500 y 17.6" lower @ 600 y 21.5" lower @ 700 y 40.6" lower @ 800 y My preference would be the 77 gr reticle. My reasoning would be the fact that the bullet is not tran/subsonic until after the BDC gives out, out to 200 yards they are basically 'close enough' and I have had good luck with the BH 5.56 SMK loads at the shorter ranges we're talking about. Amazon recently had a quick sale on the 77 gr 556 VGOC - but it wasn't enough of a deal to make me buy one. (I think it was still pushing 1800) |
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So a quick run on the phone ballistic calculator - factory data for Mk 262 vs M193 at 2.7" above bore, Sea level 62 degrees. Mk262 has more drop than 193 and assuming a 100 yard zero the 77 grain bullet will be 1.3 " Lower @ 200 yards 4" lower @ 300 yards 7.9" lower @ 400 yards 12.7" lower @ 500 y 17.6" lower @ 600 y 21.5" lower @ 700 y 40.6" lower @ 800 y My preference would be the 77 gr reticle. My reasoning would be the fact that the bullet is not tran/subsonic until after the BDC gives out, out to 200 yards they are basically 'close enough' and I have had good luck with the BH 5.56 SMK loads at the shorter ranges we're talking about. Amazon recently had a quick sale on the 77 gr 556 VGOC - but it wasn't enough of a deal to make me buy one. (I think it was still pushing 1800) Good info thanks. |
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Greetings, Noticed your thread and had to chime in. I have been looking to get a new optic for my AR. Due to my older eyes and the fact that I have developed an astigmatism, red dot out of the question. I looked at ACOGS and was impressed but wanted more magnification. Had a chance to actually inspect a VCOG and was totally blow away. Best optics I have seen. Only downside was that the VCOG is a little on the heavy side. Price was also an issue. All the ones I saw were in the $2,100.00 range. I found my way to DSG and they have the VCOG on sale for $1,699.00. They sell the various versions but the only one in stock was the 223/556 55 grain with the horseshoe reticle. Since I primarily shoot 55 grain, I placed the order. I haven't found anyone that sells these for anywhere near that price. Hope this helps, cbreeze I missed the DSA sale, so I am looking at $1800 plus a good mount. |
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That's the issue with BDCs since they tie you to one bullet. I used to love them but have now moved to MIL - BASED reticles.
I'd get the 77gr version since it is your most accurate bullet that youll use for longer distance. Within 200yds, you're not going to use your stadia lines anyway so it wont matter much if youre using your cheaper 55s. |
| When I get mine it will be the 55 grn. Since that's what I shoot the most of out to 200-230 meters. If and when I have the time to shoot more of the 77 grn SMK hand loads. I can then get the dope on it . That's if I have a place to shoot out past the 200+ meters. |
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When I get mine it will be the 55 grn. Since that's what I shoot the most of out to 200-230 meters. If and when I have the time to shoot more of the 77 grn SMK hand loads. I can then get the dope on it . That's if I have a place to shoot out past the 200+ meters. Get back to work. |
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When I get mine it will be the 55 grn. Since that's what I shoot the most of out to 200-230 meters. If and when I have the time to shoot more of the 77 grn SMK hand loads. I can then get the dope on it . That's if I have a place to shoot out past the 200+ meters. Get back to work. Its a wrap. 
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For 100-200 meter work Id go with te 77gr. It's not much of a difference from the 55gr at that distance. If you want a precision piece of glass the VCOG is not it. Think of the VCOG as a very quick chest sized grouping battle optic. I Love mine but I understand it doesn't do what my schmidt does and vice versa.
You'll love the vcog to hit steal and hogs but don't expect crazy MOA paper punching. It's just a much more refined ACOG Plus the 77gr matches well with 762 If you ever want to try it on a 762 platform. And gun porn 
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For 100-200 meter work Id go with te 77gr. It's not much of a difference from the 55gr at that distance. If you want a precision piece of glass the VCOG is not it. Think of the VCOG as a very quick chest sized grouping battle optic. I Love mine but I understand it doesn't do what my schmidt does and vice versa. You'll love the vcog to hit steal and hogs but don't expect crazy MOA paper punching. It's just a much more refined ACOG Plus the 77gr matches well with 762 If you ever want to try it on a 762 platform. And gun porn <a href="http://s804.photobucket.com/user/elysiumsun/media/1A1E1193-AD2B-4B56-8DD3-EC06DB6141E8_zpsxpxpoulf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy330/elysiumsun/1A1E1193-AD2B-4B56-8DD3-EC06DB6141E8_zpsxpxpoulf.jpg</a> <a href="http://s804.photobucket.com/user/elysiumsun/media/A0D591D9-E030-45AA-93F3-83EC93BE2710_zpspqqzmhlk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy330/elysiumsun/A0D591D9-E030-45AA-93F3-83EC93BE2710_zpspqqzmhlk.jpg</a> Just want a durable battle optic and I realize its not a tight grouping optic. |
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While I agree that the VCOG is not a precision optic, I now own two of them - one with the 77 grain horseshoe reticle, and now one with the 55 grain segmented circle.
I gotta say, the segmented circle is a pretty good precision reticle though. While the lines are a bit thick on 6x, it does have a nice center crosshair for some precision work. And as for durability, there's no other scope I've ever handled that feels close to as bombproof. Obviously real world testing is what matters most, but damn does the VCOG feel indestructible. |
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While I agree that the VCOG is not a precision optic, I now own two of them - one with the 77 grain horseshoe reticle, and now one with the 55 grain segmented circle. I gotta say, the segmented circle is a pretty good precision reticle though. While the lines are a bit thick on 6x, it does have a nice center crosshair for some precision work. And as for durability, there's no other scope I've ever handled that feels close to as bombproof. Obviously real world testing is what matters most, but damn does the VCOG feel indestructible. Totally agree! If it had exposed mill turrets it would do some great groups with center dot at distance. However, the thick lines at 400m make it minute of man accurate. I never feel as if I'll miss steel as long as Im doing my part with wimd and cant though. It's simple and accurate. Like you said tough as nails. I'm even happy with battery life and any old TV remote AA in a worst case scenario will offer a few more hours. |
| I have both an Elcan and a VCOG that I've been swapping back and forth and seriously can't decide which one I like more. One complaint I might have and I feel stupid for saying it is that the VCOG has too much eye relief. I feel like it's for someone who extends their stock really far out. Otherwise, you end up mounting it pretty far forward to get good sight picture and that causes the rifle to be pretty front heavy. I'm also running a 12.5 mrp and sig brace. If I had the ability to run this barrel length with an adjustable stock, it would allow it to be mounted further out, but then it would make the overall package larger. Then again, it's so sweet. Can't choose. |
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CVO,
Do you mind if I ask where you purchased your VCOG? I ordered mine from DSG last Sunday. For some reason they originally canceled my order. I called and they said it was due to a wrong phone number (error on my part). Supposedly corrected the mistake and order was resubmitted. Checked status on their web site and after supposedly being corrected, still shoes canceled. When I call to check on the order status, I am told it will be shipped in the afternoon but haven't gotten a tracking number yet. Never dealt with DSG before and am starting to wonder. Was hoping to get this by Christmas. cbreeze |
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CVO, Do you mind if I ask where you purchased your VCOG? I ordered mine from DSG last Sunday. For some reason they originally canceled my order. I called and they said it was due to a wrong phone number (error on my part). Supposedly corrected the mistake and order was resubmitted. Checked status on their web site and after supposedly being corrected, still shoes canceled. When I call to check on the order status, I am told it will be shipped in the afternoon but haven't gotten a tracking number yet. Never dealt with DSG before and am starting to wonder. Was hoping to get this by Christmas. cbreeze DSG |
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I have the 77 grain horseshoe and zeroed today at 100 meters indoors with 77 SMK. Is the first line below the dot 300 meters? Yep So 200 is somewhere in between? Assuming you have the zero dead center of the 2 MOA dot @ 100M, 200 meters will be a tiny bit below the 2 MOA center dot... it has a ~1.78 MOA / ~4.1 inch drop at 200 meters. (This is MK 262 @ sea level/59' the drop will be less noticeable as you go higher or warmer.) |
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Assuming you have the zero dead center of the 2 MOA dot @ 100M, 200 meters will be a tiny bit below the 2 MOA center dot... it has a ~1.78 MOA / ~4.1 inch drop at 200 meters. (This is MK 262 @ sea level/59' the drop will be less noticeable as you go higher or warmer.) Quoted:
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I have the 77 grain horseshoe and zeroed today at 100 meters indoors with 77 SMK. Is the first line below the dot 300 meters? Yep So 200 is somewhere in between? Assuming you have the zero dead center of the 2 MOA dot @ 100M, 200 meters will be a tiny bit below the 2 MOA center dot... it has a ~1.78 MOA / ~4.1 inch drop at 200 meters. (This is MK 262 @ sea level/59' the drop will be less noticeable as you go higher or warmer.) I am close, this was indoors at 100. Next week I will be at the 200 outdoor and give it a try. Three shot with BH 77gr 556 OTM 
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