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12/10/2014 9:28:21 PM EDT
Looking for thoughts on Optical quality in relation to Magnification.

Right now I am searching for a 1-6 type optic for a "RECCE" type rifle. My options in this magnification range are a little limited for my $600 ish target price. I have seen some used Night Force 1-4x for around that price, and some other very high quality 1-4s in this price range, which is making a 1-4 a little tempting.

My question is, will a very high quality 1-4x  like the Night Force, or another high quality 1-4x preform better in clarity at longer ranges and target visibility as compared to a more budget but more magnification 1-6x namely the Primary Arms?

Also any options I have overlooked? Open to suggestions.






(Also posted this in the Precision Rifle Section for some more opinions)
12/10/2014 10:20:32 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes in my experience a higher quality optic even if lower powered will do better at distance.

$80 3-9x Walmart centerpoint<$170 bushnell 1-4x<$500 Vortex 1-4 <4x Acog

I might prefer my TA44 over even the PST.
12/10/2014 10:46:27 PM EDT
[#2]
Yup better glass even at a lower magnification will be better then worse glass at a higher magnification in my experience as well.






It really comes down to how much better or worse though. If were talk NF vs PA then without a doubt the NF will have better glass and sight pictures at 4x vs the PA 6x.




ETA: Better clarity also means less eye strain which equals to more time spent behind the scope and that is what you want at longer ranges.

 
12/10/2014 11:25:09 PM EDT
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It is at higher magnification that the better contrast and resolving capabilities of good glass really are obvious.  Cheap glass really suffers in low light, too.

If you have $600 to spend on a scope look at the Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40 Firedot TMR reticle.  It is true milrad turrets and reticle with very good glass for its price point.
12/10/2014 11:29:35 PM EDT
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It is at higher magnification that the better contrast and resolving capabilities of good glass really are obvious.  Cheap glass really suffers in low light, too.



If you have $600 to spend on a scope look at the Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40 Firedot TMR reticle.  It is true milrad turrets and reticle with very good glass for its price point.
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+1 to low light performance comment.

 
12/11/2014 3:50:31 AM EDT
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In my honest opinion, here is how I view finding the perfect scope to fit what your looking for.

First question, what range will you be shooting normally?
What will be the primary target?
What type light conditions will it need to perform in?
Do you need a lighted reticle?
What type eye relief do you need?
What is your price range?


Generally if you are shooting under 100 yards, in mostly good light but occasionally low light, shooting at targets larger than 8" with normal 2-3" eye relief, and have a budget under $600.  A few things to look for in that type scope would be fast pickup reticle, with illumination, 30mm tube, and decent grade glass.

Im planning on using this Bushnell AR Optics 1-4x24 for my upcoming anti-hog upper.  It fits my needs well and has a fast throw lever to quickly go from 1-4 and has decent quality glass.

Best way to decide is go to a shop that has a decent selection of scopes that you can pickup and look thru.  Leuopold, bushnell, Nikon, and a few others will fit nice for what you need.  May also look at Vortex they have some nice stuff in that price range.
12/11/2014 4:26:49 AM EDT
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i can see through my TA33 3x acog and read license plates from across the parking lot more easily than i can with my bushnell elite 3-9x on any setting, so yeah i'd say the glass really matters.

if i can't read it with the acog, i can't read it with the bushnell, plain and simple.
12/11/2014 10:38:31 AM EDT
[#7]
High quality lenses give you better resolution which will make the image at any magnification clearer. Lower quality lenses can distort and blur images a bit so high magnification is just like zooming in on a low quality picture, no matter how big it is you can't make anything out.
12/11/2014 11:03:21 AM EDT
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Definitely better glass is more important than magnification.

However, you'd have to get really good (and expensive) glass to do better than the PA 1-6x...I have one and love it.

It gets me on target out to 700 yards easily.
12/11/2014 2:06:01 PM EDT
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Definitely better glass is more important than magnification.





However, you'd have to get really good (and expensive) glass to do better than the PA 1-6x...I have one and love it.





It gets me on target out to 700 yards easily.
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A very experienced shooter with a lot of time behind many scopes has stated that the Burris Tac 30 1-4 has better glass then the PA 1-6.

 






Nothing personal. I trust his opinion so I don't think you need really good and expensive glass to beat it.

 
12/11/2014 2:22:42 PM EDT
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A very experienced shooter with a lot of time behind many scopes has stated that the Burris Tac 30 1-4 has better glass then the PA 1-6.  

Nothing personal. I trust his opinion so I don't think you need really good and expensive glass to beat it.
 
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Definitely better glass is more important than magnification.

However, you'd have to get really good (and expensive) glass to do better than the PA 1-6x...I have one and love it.

It gets me on target out to 700 yards easily.
A very experienced shooter with a lot of time behind many scopes has stated that the Burris Tac 30 1-4 has better glass then the PA 1-6.  

Nothing personal. I trust his opinion so I don't think you need really good and expensive glass to beat it.
 


Got the in stock email from PA yesterday and FOed. If i find something better I can always sell it right.
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