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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:40:19 AM EDT
It doesn't appear there is much talk about them around here not even in the FAQ's that I could see. Not even a picture thread  .
I'm using a lot of Acogs currently but have pondered getting a Elcan specter just to add some variety. Do those that have them like them? Does any military branch issue these out? |
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Lots of your non run of the mill army units issue them out, and you see them a lot on ar's to scar 17's.
If you enjoy the acogs reticle and don't mind a little more weight, they are a great optic. The illumination feature can light up either the chevron alone, or the entire BDC get up, which I think is a neat feature lacking on the acog. Cannot speak to battery life. They make an adjustable model that goes from 1x to 4x, but in my opinion, it isn't worth the money over the fixed 4. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment about buyin one. Edit- the 1-6 models are very, very nice. |
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Can the arms mount be replaced with something better or would I be stuck with that? There is a Version 2 of the ARMS mounts that are adjustable & work much better then the originals. You'll have to actually call ARMS to order them (impossible to find on their website). |
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I was going to say the Block 2 and MK18 threads will have the most concentrated section of Elcan users. I had a gen 3 for a while and although it's a good sight I opted to go in another direction. Glass and FOV is great. It's very quick and flipping between 1x/4x is fast. On the other hand, I can't stand the mount and external adjustments. It's heavy and although it acts like a RDS eye relief is not as good as I'd like. Given the price I expected more. YMMV. |
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I was going to say the Block 2 and MK18 threads will have the most concentrated section of Elcan users. I had a gen 3 for a while and although it's a good sight I opted to go in another direction. Glass and FOV is great. It's very quick and flipping between 1x/4x is fast. On the other hand, I can't stand the mount and external adjustments. It's heavy and although it acts like a RDS eye relief is not as good as I'd like. Given the price I expected more. YMMV. Quoted:
I was going to say the Block 2 and MK18 threads will have the most concentrated section of Elcan users. I had a gen 3 for a while and although it's a good sight I opted to go in another direction. Glass and FOV is great. It's very quick and flipping between 1x/4x is fast. On the other hand, I can't stand the mount and external adjustments. It's heavy and although it acts like a RDS eye relief is not as good as I'd like. Given the price I expected more. YMMV. Your mileage and my mileage are the same...and mine was free! 
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I have two: 1-4x for ar15 and 1.5-6x for my m1a. Love them both.
I do know the British are planning to issue elcan specters to troops that are locked to 4x. In the USA apparently socom issue them for the block 2 sopmod program. The civilian specterdrs are different from the military in that they have a range estimation and circles for reticle when going past a certain distance. |
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Lots of your non run of the mill army units issue them out, and you see them a lot on ar's to scar 17's. If you enjoy the acogs reticle and don't mind a little more weight, they are a great optic. The illumination feature can light up either the chevron alone, or the entire BDC get up, which I think is a neat feature lacking on the acog. Cannot speak to battery life. They make an adjustable model that goes from 1x to 4x, but in my opinion, it isn't worth the money over the fixed 4. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment about buyin one. Edit- the 1-6 models are very, very nice. when I was in the military we were all issued Elcans... I am not a fan of them 
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Lots of your non run of the mill army units issue them out, and you see them a lot on ar's to scar 17's. If you enjoy the acogs reticle and don't mind a little more weight, they are a great optic. The illumination feature can light up either the chevron alone, or the entire BDC get up, which I think is a neat feature lacking on the acog. Cannot speak to battery life. They make an adjustable model that goes from 1x to 4x, but in my opinion, it isn't worth the money over the fixed 4. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment about buyin one. Edit- the 1-6 models are very, very nice. when I was in the military we were all issued Elcans... I am not a fan of them IMO they are junk and they were a very poor use of US and Canadian taxpayer money. I would NEVER buy anything from that company after using M145s. The best I can describe an M145 is that it is sort of like an iron sight, but heavier, bad optics, not nearly as useful, much harder to adjust, and cost over $1k. They did come with well made storage bags, though. Probably should have gone out of business in the mid '90s, but sucked off the .gov teet enough to embed themselves during peacetime like ticks. |
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IMO they are junk and they were a very poor use of US and Canadian taxpayer money. I would NEVER buy anything from that company after using M145s. The best I can describe an M145 is that it is sort of like an iron sight, but heavier, bad optics, not nearly as useful, much harder to adjust, and cost over $1k. They did come with well made storage bags, though. Probably should have gone out of business in the mid '90s, but sucked off the .gov teet enough to embed themselves during peacetime like ticks. Quoted:
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Lots of your non run of the mill army units issue them out, and you see them a lot on ar's to scar 17's. If you enjoy the acogs reticle and don't mind a little more weight, they are a great optic. The illumination feature can light up either the chevron alone, or the entire BDC get up, which I think is a neat feature lacking on the acog. Cannot speak to battery life. They make an adjustable model that goes from 1x to 4x, but in my opinion, it isn't worth the money over the fixed 4. I wouldn't hesitate for a moment about buyin one. Edit- the 1-6 models are very, very nice. when I was in the military we were all issued Elcans... I am not a fan of them IMO they are junk and they were a very poor use of US and Canadian taxpayer money. I would NEVER buy anything from that company after using M145s. The best I can describe an M145 is that it is sort of like an iron sight, but heavier, bad optics, not nearly as useful, much harder to adjust, and cost over $1k. They did come with well made storage bags, though. Probably should have gone out of business in the mid '90s, but sucked off the .gov teet enough to embed themselves during peacetime like ticks. The one I was issued was I beleive called the M79? Holy hell was it a brick. Irons would have been better, and were better (we did not have BUIS) |
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I always thought they were cool, since the glass was exceptionally clear and the illumination was bright. The weight and eye relief is an issue but I think the biggest issue is cost, considering how much variable scope competition exists in that price range now.
Of course, if you're on the GOV gravy train, that won't matter as much. I think Ranger Batt dudes are using them today. |
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HAD one. HAD being the key word.
I guess I was expecting more for $2K. The 1-4x works better on paper then real life. The 1x is simply that. A 1x scope. All the problems with a scope. Eye relief, etc. I was expecting more of an aimpoint. It is not. The fact that the 1-4x has a factory mount for a mini reflex site, should tell you all you need to know. |
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