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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:23:54 PM EDT
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How do I deal with a big scope that very closely hangs over the charging handle making it difficult to operate?
I'm shocked the gunsmith who mounted this didn't ID this as a problem. Thanks in advance for any advice…Karl. 
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remove the scope and get a smaller one, like 1-4x magnification....or a red dot with a magnifier if you need it. I had a 4x sight and it was woefully inadequate IMO. It was inadequate at 100 yards and it was an absolute joke at 200. I got this 4-16x scope only after very careful consideration. I love red dots...for hand guns at 25 yards. I want to be able to clearly see what I'm shooting at 200 & 300 yards and for me 4x & red dots simply don't cut it at any real distance. |
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This. The scope is way too far back. Quoted:
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( in my best Wisconsin accent) Move the scope forward, close the stock... putchyer nose on the handle. Stop having a gunsmith mountchyer scope. This. The scope is way too far back. Yep this will solve your issue. Another option is 1 of the CH's with a larger latch if you like your stock and scope positioning. Quick question though. Are you using the single hand method of charging the weapon where you grab the left side of the CH (side with the latch) and yanking straight to the rear? Or are you trying the "traditional" method of charging the weapon using a finger on each side of the charging handle? Seems to me if you were only gripping one side, the height of the scope should allow for your hand to fit with how the rifle sits as is. ETA: Learn how to mount your own scope, it isn't that difficult bro! 
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| I doubt the scope is as far back as it looks. Scopes like that typically have limited eye relief at maximum magnification. And mounting it the wrong position so you cannot utilize the field of view is worse than it being difficult to reach a charging handle you should not need more than once. |
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I had a 4x sight and it was woefully inadequate IMO. It was inadequate at 100 yards and it was an absolute joke at 200. I got this 4-16x scope only after very careful consideration. I love red dots...for hand guns at 25 yards. I want to be able to clearly see what I'm shooting at 200 & 300 yards and for me 4x & red dots simply don't cut it at any real distance. Quoted:
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remove the scope and get a smaller one, like 1-4x magnification....or a red dot with a magnifier if you need it. I had a 4x sight and it was woefully inadequate IMO. It was inadequate at 100 yards and it was an absolute joke at 200. I got this 4-16x scope only after very careful consideration. I love red dots...for hand guns at 25 yards. I want to be able to clearly see what I'm shooting at 200 & 300 yards and for me 4x & red dots simply don't cut it at any real distance. is your eyesight bad? I wear prescription glasses and I have no problems hitting steel at 100-200 with a red dot. I use a 10x to get me out to 600-700. 4x should be adequate out to 300. |
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Quoted:is your eyesight bad? I wear prescription glasses and I have no problems hitting steel at 100-200 with a red dot. I use a 10x to get me out to 600-700. 4x should be adequate out to 300. I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 
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I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 Quoted:
Quoted:is your eyesight bad? I wear prescription glasses and I have no problems hitting steel at 100-200 with a red dot. I use a 10x to get me out to 600-700. 4x should be adequate out to 300. I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 Keep in mind that most people consider an AR a fighting rifle. Fighting rifles arent required to punch 1/2" groups at 100 yds. It sounds like you want to shoot more for groups, and that is fine. Most people are content with 4-5" groups on a silhouette target at 100 yrds. 95% of people telling you they shoot 1" groups at 100 yds with an aimpoint are full of shit, especially the ones that claim to do it with XM193. I would move your scooe forward some. I can't imagine a decent cheak weld or eye relief with your current setup. |
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I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 Quoted:
Quoted:is your eyesight bad? I wear prescription glasses and I have no problems hitting steel at 100-200 with a red dot. I use a 10x to get me out to 600-700. 4x should be adequate out to 300. I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 People employ their rifles for a vast array of varying applications, suggesting that what applies for an arbitrary and generic use will by default apply to all others is a misleading and truly self defeating path. |
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As others have said magnification is a completely personal choice. Use whatever you feel the need for.
I would however move the scope forward on the rail. Most of mine end up with the eyepiece pretty even with the back edge of the receiver right where the charging handle contacts. This will probably solve most of the charging handle issue. If not I really like the BCM medium latch charging handles. Like this. 
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I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 Quoted:
Quoted:is your eyesight bad? I wear prescription glasses and I have no problems hitting steel at 100-200 with a red dot. I use a 10x to get me out to 600-700. 4x should be adequate out to 300. I wear contacts that bring my vision to near perfection -- residual astigmatism of -0.25 in each eye, so 20/20 vision, as opposed to the 20/15 I could get with glasses. Seems different folks have very different ideas on what level of magnification is required. Consider how 3-9x scopes are the norm on .22LR rifles that will never shoot past 100 yards. If some Boy Scout shooting his 10/22 needs 9x then how is 4x "adequate" for me at 300 There is a big difference in optical clarity between that $20 3-9 on the .22, and something else in a higher dollar price range. your going to see a lot more detail at 4x in a $300-600 scope then you will with the walmart scope on the .22. for example I went to the local 1000 yard range a couple weeks ago and got the chance to meet some of the other members there, most of them were using some really high dollar scopes. I got to look through some S&B, Nightforce, Vortex Razor HD's. the difference was night and day comparing it to my SWFA at the same magnification, made me quite envious. Quoted:
As others have said magnification is a completely personal choice. Use whatever you feel the need for. I would however move the scope forward on the rail. Most of mine end up with the eyepiece pretty even with the back edge of the receiver right where the charging handle contacts. This will probably solve most of the charging handle issue. If not I really like the BCM medium latch charging handles. Like this. http://i.imgur.com/vHT5VpG.jpg I agree, although I see a lot people that think they need a ton of magnification when what they need is better glass. Hell, I used to be one of those people once upon a time ago. |
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Quoted:I agree, although I see a lot people that think they need a ton of magnification when what they need is better glass. Hell, I used to be one of those people once upon a time ago.
It's a Nikon scope which has an excellent reputation from what I can tell. A friend who's into precision bolt-action rifle shooting and VERY picky about his scopes recommended Nikon for its combination of top quality & reasonable price. He has a whole collection of rifles topped with $500 Nikon scopes. He's impressed by Leupold as well and loves how they're made in the USA, but thinks they're just too expensive. That scope cost me $360 on sale at Optics Planet. It had been going for $400, but they had a 10% off day. The mount was $54 after 10% discount. 4-16x is at the top end of Nikon's AR-specific line. It's definitely not cheap glass from Walmart, though I have no idea how Nikon compares to the super premium stuff. Though to be fair, even a $2,000 scope isn't going to turn this combat rifle into a precision target rifle and we all know it. It's a scope that fits the job. Most would say it's a scope that's way over-qualified for the job. I, unfortunately, haven't even taken it to the range yet to try it out. I'm a handgun shooter. I'm totally new to rifles and I'm just playing around & seeing what I can manage to get out of this AR. BTW, Billy needs a 9x scope because he wants to nail the 10-ring for his merit badge. Most AR shooters would be happy to simply hit Billy's target at all -- so they only need to see it well enough to hit it anywhere. Much to my surprise, it doesn't take any real skill to nail a 12" target on virtually every shot from 200 yards even when you're a hand gunner, rather than a rifleman, using a 4x optic. I'd like to see it better so I can produce actual groups though, rather than it looking like I blasted it with a shotgun. |
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Keep in mind that most people consider an AR a fighting rifle. Fighting rifles arent required to punch 1/2" groups at 100 yds. It sounds like you want to shoot more for groups, and that is fine. Most people are content with 4-5" groups on a silhouette target at 100 yrds. 95% of people telling you they shoot 1" groups at 100 yds with an aimpoint are full of shit, especially the ones that claim to do it with XM193. I would move your scooe forward some. I can't imagine a decent cheak weld or eye relief with your current setup. The first time I ever shot the AR I was using a 4x optic and I can cover the group with my hand, so that would be about 4-5" (at 100 yards). 1" groups @ 100 yards with an Aimpoint does seem unlikely since I can't imagine many ARs or ammo being physically capable of such precision even if you take out the human error element. Seems I should move the scope forward some and see if that solves that problem as that seems the consensus. If not, then I'll get a larger charging handle. Thanks to all who replied. |
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The first time I ever shot the AR I was using a 4x optic and I can cover the group with my hand, so that would be about 4-5" (at 100 yards). 1" groups @ 100 yards with an Aimpoint does seem unlikely since I can't imagine many ARs or ammo being physically capable of such precision even if you take out the human error element. You mentioned your lack of experience with AR style rifles and this post supports that. A properly configured AR pattern rifle with Good ammo can easily achieve a 1 inch group at 100 yards. But this ALSO requires a Good Shooter who knows what he/she is doing. 
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