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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:25:33 AM EDT
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Pardon me but idunno much about this stuff which is why I am asking.
Im looking for a reliable CQB, holographic type optic for an AR15 carbine. Looking at used optics like ACOG and Aimpoint I find used ones are only $100 to $200 less than a brand new one of identical model. I seen an 10 year old ACOG that looked to be in excellent condition for $200 less than brand new from Planet Optics. Doesn't really matter if I get an ACOG, Aimpoint or Eotech. Which one of these would be the best for buying used? Does the manufacturer recondition them? Next Inquiry, maybe I don't understand what this type of optic is for. Within 50yds I can shoot just as accurate within center mass with iron sights as with a red dot. But I am an older guy and my eyes are going. Front sight is very fuzzy. What advantage does a dot bring? Thanks guys VonBark |
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They are so tough and reliable that being used doesn't mean anything.
If you car lasted 5 million miles before wearing out I bet youd sell a 10 year old car for darn near the new price. New generations of optics are the only thing that pushes older/used prices down. Look at the small tube aimpoints and the eotech 511 for examples. Both are great quality, but the new stuff has surpassed it. |
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Pardon me but idunno much about this stuff which is why I am asking. Im looking for a reliable CQB, holographic type optic for an AR15 carbine. Looking at used optics like ACOG and Aimpoint I find used ones are only $100 to $200 less than a brand new one of identical model. I seen an 10 year old ACOG that looked to be in excellent condition for $200 less than brand new from Planet Optics. Doesn't really matter if I get an ACOG, Aimpoint or Eotech. Which one of these would be the best for buying used? Does the manufacturer recondition them? Next Inquiry, maybe I don't understand what this type of optic is for. Within 50yds I can shoot just as accurate within center mass with iron sights as with a red dot. But I am an older guy and my eyes are going. Front sight is very fuzzy. What advantage does a dot bring? Thanks guys VonBark Combat-style "set it and forget it" optics don't "wear" with use the same way guns do - there's no bore to wear out, not throat or port erosion or springs being compressed or metal sliding across metal that produces wear in used guns. Typically most people zero them, and that's all she wrote in terms of moving parts - good optics don't typically "wear out" from recoil stress, either, as they've been designed to withstand that pretty much indefinitely. The only "wear" from use you'll see is cosmetic damage and handling wear. That being said of "the big three" - Aimpoint, EOTech, and ACOG, if I were concerned about buying used, I would say the ACOG is best to buy used - no electronics of any kind and no switches - if anything's getting used much and could "break down" over extended use periods, it would be the electronics and the switches - I've twisted several Aimpoint brightness adjustments right off the optic and the electronics sometimes do fail. EOTech of course has its reputation for a little bit less hardy electronics and components, though I've only ever bought one EOTech new - and I've had seven, and never been dissatisfied with them. The optic is primarily for speed and are more effective and faster to use in a wider variety of conditions. If you can shoot just as accurately, but faster, you have a good chance of winning in a fight. Magnified optics like the ACOG also allow for some advantages in PID of targets. "By the book" the 14.5" M4 Carbine's maximum effective range is 500m - the 50m target is the closest range on the Army's 50-300m automated qualification range - "within 50 yards" is poo flinging range compared to what the system's capable of and used in combat for and while some studies have shown 90% of infantry combat has historically taken place within 100 yards you work under the assumption that "next time" might be in that 10% and equip yourself within the full range of your capabilities. Also, recent theaters of combat, in particular Afghanistan have probably skewed that statistic. ~Augee |
| They definitely hold their value. Plus ppl paid so damn much for them that they want to recoup a bunch of that money. Good optics (EOTech Aimpoint ACOG) are all buy once cry once optics. Buy pretty much anything else you will be sending it in for warrantee within a couple weeks |
| IMO its not worth it to buy used optics for this very reason, If the cost of a used one is still 85% of a new one its much better to just go with new. If the people trying to sell their used equupment dont understand this concept then they can just sit on their equipment. |
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IMO its not worth it to buy used optics for this very reason, If the cost of a used one is still 85% of a new one its much better to just go with new. If the people trying to sell their used equupment dont understand this concept then they can just sit on their equipment. $200 on a $1,000 optic is still a 20% depreciation based on wear and tear. Neverminding the fact that 11% of the price of a new gun that "instantly depreciates" is based on a Federal Excise Tax (FET). A $200 savings, knowing that the wear and tear that a used optic will likely be subjected to is minimal under most circumstances can be significant to some people and depending on what you use it for. Unless, say, you want to submit a Form 1 for me for every new optic I buy? I get far more utility out of having a lower that I can use with any barrel length than what minimal to non-existent gains from the "newness" of an optic. I could see some people viewing warranties as an issue - but honestly, I've never bothered to register any of my optics or gun related purchases, new or used, nor do I think I've ever even been asked if I was the original owner when getting something serviced by the manufacturer. In fact - considering that the majority of warranty work applies to manufacturing defects, there's something to be said of buying used - if the original owner actually used the item, they'll have noticed any manufacturing defects, and most likely they will have done the legwork to get it fixed, leaving me with a functional, "proofed" item that will most likely last indefinitely. I would, however, be more than willing to take a 50% discount from you, if that's what you're offering - whatcha got? ~Augee |
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Red dots are good for night, good for people with aging eyes and you can keep both eyes open as opposed to irons. But then irons have their advantages too. I work at night. I need a red dot and a TAC light. I think people with aging eyes benefit tremendously from a more traditional scope such as a 1-6x. |
| Good optics tend to hold their value is why, you have to look for a deal on used optics that were once out of your reach $$$ wise, if you are willing to take the time to search for what you want you may just find what you are looking for at a price you are willing to pay, good glass doesn't come cheap so you must be willing to put the time into your search, I have purchased 2 $800+ Leupold scopes for $375 with shades Leupold flip up caps and even fancy Leupold filter kits, I have found Leupold pistol scopes that are $400+ new for $125, and even bought $600+ Leupold for a mere $250, so take your time and you will find what you are looking for and for what you want to pay. |
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Try being an Elcan fan. I've followed the history of this optic, it started at 800 then 1200, 1800 and now 2184.00! I wish I bought it when it was 800.00!! Maybe it will keep going up! Buy once cry once! Well dont be too sad the first ones had tons of issues. Plus I believe the fixed magnification ones are still around $1000 |
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