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Posted: 3/18/2014 8:56:41 AM EDT
| Looking for a new optic for my AR, I'm leaning towards something with a 3x magnification. I want something that will make make mid-range distance shots more accurate but still be able to use it for CQ/home defense. I thought about going with an Aimpoint or EOtech with a 3x magnifier but feel it would be too cluttered and I'm trying to keep the weight down as much as possible. I'm leaning towards the Burris Ar-332 or the Vortex Spitfire. What are peoples' opinions on these two. I know the Vortex isn't out yet but how does Vortex compare to Burris with their other optics. Or if you have any other optic suggestions. |
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I own both brands and have came to be a big Vortex fan over the years but, for my AR I went with a Burris 2-7X scope....its a lil more power than what you are looking at.
I chose Burris mainly cause the eye relief on the Burris is a lil better. I find Vortex to have a lil shorter eye relief but, thier warranty if you ever need it is AWESOME.... no questions asked and I get to talk to a person each time I call or email, great service. As far as the Spitfire.... man, I want to play with one of them myself.... looks very nice. Either way, I dont think you can go wrong... but, let us know what you get and I am really looking forward to a Spitfire review. |
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I sure like my Burris XTR-14 that I got in a package sale with the PEPR and FF3. They'll have them back in stock at SWFA at the sale price in May.
Just shot a 2-gun with my RFB with it mounted, did pretty well for a .308 bullpup when everyone else was running AR's and red dots like I normally do. http://swfa.com/Burris-1-4x24-Xtreme-Tactical-XTR-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P45511.aspx 
Crappy cell pic at 1x, almost no distortion and a huge "sweet spot" for eye relief. 
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IMO, a 1-4x would serve you better. The Vortex PST is excellent. I would not want a fixed 3x optic with a BDC reticle, but that's me. YUP....I just got my hands on one....FANTASTIC optic. I'm loving it. MUCH more clear and crisp than my Burris Fullfield II. (Not that the Burris is bad...but the Vortex is better) |
| I'm still really considering the Vortex Spitfire but after doing some research I'm also leaning towards the Viper PST 1-4x24. From some reviews however it seems that the reticle on the Viper PST doesn't get too bright and gets lost in sunlight. Can anyone confirm or deny this? |
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That is correct, I have one and that is it's only weakness, to be fair though, you don't need the reticle to be lit in the day. The black reticle works really well in the day.
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I'm still really considering the Vortex Spitfire but after doing some research I'm also leaning towards the Viper PST 1-4x24. From some reviews however it seems that the reticle on the Viper PST doesn't get too bright and gets lost in sunlight. Can anyone confirm or deny this? |
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Here's a shot of the 3X Spitfire reticle I took at SHOT Show - sorry for poor cell phone quality: http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac26/spumwuzzle/S4_zpsc42a581f.jpg Mark H. How would you say it looks in person? From the picture everything looks a little blurred together. |
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IMO, a 1-4x would serve you better. The Vortex PST is excellent. I would not want a fixed 3x optic with a BDC reticle, but that's me. wait, what? why not? I want bdc on everything!!!! Because different bullet weights have different trajectories. I'd rather have a mrad reticle and dial in my corrections or use my dope to tell me my holdovers if that makes any sense. I reckon if all I shot was M855 out of a 14.5" CL barrel a BDC reticle would be fine. |
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Because different bullet weights have different trajectories. I'd rather have a mrad reticle and dial in my corrections or use my dope to tell me my holdovers if that makes any sense. I reckon if all I shot was M855 out of a 14.5" CL barrel a BDC reticle would be fine. Quoted:
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IMO, a 1-4x would serve you better. The Vortex PST is excellent. I would not want a fixed 3x optic with a BDC reticle, but that's me. wait, what? why not? I want bdc on everything!!!! Because different bullet weights have different trajectories. I'd rather have a mrad reticle and dial in my corrections or use my dope to tell me my holdovers if that makes any sense. I reckon if all I shot was M855 out of a 14.5" CL barrel a BDC reticle would be fine. Gotchya. Makes sense. I only shoot two loads. M193, or a custom handload tuned to my BDC. I only shoot longer than 200 yds with the hand load. BDC require no cognition under stress. Love them. |
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Gotchya. Makes sense. I only shoot two loads. M193, or a custom handload tuned to my BDC. I only shoot longer than 200 yds with the hand load. BDC require no cognition under stress. Love them. Quoted:
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IMO, a 1-4x would serve you better. The Vortex PST is excellent. I would not want a fixed 3x optic with a BDC reticle, but that's me. wait, what? why not? I want bdc on everything!!!! Because different bullet weights have different trajectories. I'd rather have a mrad reticle and dial in my corrections or use my dope to tell me my holdovers if that makes any sense. I reckon if all I shot was M855 out of a 14.5" CL barrel a BDC reticle would be fine. Gotchya. Makes sense. I only shoot two loads. M193, or a custom handload tuned to my BDC. I only shoot longer than 200 yds with the hand load. BDC require no cognition under stress. Love them. I don't love them so much. It's like being married but you can't fuck a scope. 
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I only like the MTAC better because--unlike a lot of people--I love the reticle for most of my shooting (which is 25-50Y). Past 100Y, I think Vortex is better do to the smaller reticle.
BUT for the money, a $300 MTAC with a better FOV, great glass and only 14.4 ounces is still the best value going. The TR24 is my 2nd favorite, but for anything over 200Ys, the Vortex is better. I'm hoping to move up to the big boy league soon (looking at the Nightforce NXS, USO SR4C and the Vortex HD1-6), but I don't think any of them are as good a value as Burris (if that matters). |
| I'm thinking I'll be getting the Spitfire for my next build. I already have an Aimpoint PRO, and a PST 1-4 on other rifles. Has anyone else noticed these two optics other than reticles and location of rails look damn near identical? The mount is slightly different, but the illumination appears to be the exact same. 5 levels of green and red with off in between. I believe they are both made in China as well. Maybe the same OEM? |
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I don't love them so much. It's like being married but you can't fuck a scope.
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IMO, a 1-4x would serve you better. The Vortex PST is excellent. I would not want a fixed 3x optic with a BDC reticle, but that's me. wait, what? why not? I want bdc on everything!!!! Because different bullet weights have different trajectories. I'd rather have a mrad reticle and dial in my corrections or use my dope to tell me my holdovers if that makes any sense. I reckon if all I shot was M855 out of a 14.5" CL barrel a BDC reticle would be fine. Gotchya. Makes sense. I only shoot two loads. M193, or a custom handload tuned to my BDC. I only shoot longer than 200 yds with the hand load. BDC require no cognition under stress. Love them. I don't love them so much. It's like being married but you can't fuck a scope.
Then its exaxtly like being married cause you can't fuck a wife either! |
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Quoted: How would you say it looks in person? From the picture everything looks a little blurred together. Quoted: Quoted: Here's a shot of the 3X Spitfire reticle I took at SHOT Show - sorry for poor cell phone quality: http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac26/spumwuzzle/S4_zpsc42a581f.jpg Mark H. How would you say it looks in person? From the picture everything looks a little blurred together. Yeah, camera phone, late night, evil brown liquor... In person, nice and sharp. Would have liked to tried it outside, but they frown on taking the display models. In the questionable light indoors, the optic did not contribute any additional dimming. Typical Vortex build quality. I like feeling that I'm getting more than my moneys worth, and Vortex gives me that feeling. Mark H. |
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I own several Burris Tac30's. My favorite entry level 1-4X scope. The bang for the buck is unmatched. The new Vortex Spitfire 1-4X may change that opinion once I see one in person. Interesting!!! Link on that optic? Honestly, after looking through everything, the only scope I can justify dropping my TAC30 for is going all the way to a Swarovski 1-6. There are no scopes in the $600 and lower class that will beat a TAC30 for 3gun, IMHO. There ARE scopes in the $1200-$1400 class that will, such as Bushnell Elite 1-6.5, and Vortex Razor HD2 1-6x. However, each time I look through those, without question I like the magnification boost, and especially the better glass quality.... it just isn't enough to push me past the $299 ledge of the TAC30. There are just other places I could spend the money and get more, like ammo for practice. Jesse - what do you keep all these older/inferior scopes around for? Your museum? |
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Quoted: Looking for a new optic for my AR, I'm leaning towards something with a 3x magnification. I want something that will make make mid-range distance shots more accurate but still be able to use it for CQ/home defense. I thought about going with an Aimpoint or EOtech with a 3x magnifier but feel it would be too cluttered and I'm trying to keep the weight down as much as possible. I'm leaning towards the Burris Ar-332 or the Vortex Spitfire. What are peoples' opinions on these two. I know the Vortex isn't out yet but how does Vortex compare to Burris with their other optics. Or if you have any other optic suggestions. The price you pay is for reliability that it will work when needed most.
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For any personal defense I would not go with anything other than Aimpoint, Eotech, and Trijicon. The price you pay is for reliability that it will work when needed most. Quoted:
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Looking for a new optic for my AR, I'm leaning towards something with a 3x magnification. I want something that will make make mid-range distance shots more accurate but still be able to use it for CQ/home defense. I thought about going with an Aimpoint or EOtech with a 3x magnifier but feel it would be too cluttered and I'm trying to keep the weight down as much as possible. I'm leaning towards the Burris Ar-332 or the Vortex Spitfire. What are peoples' opinions on these two. I know the Vortex isn't out yet but how does Vortex compare to Burris with their other optics. Or if you have any other optic suggestions. The price you pay is for reliability that it will work when needed most. And yet you put EOtech in that list of reliability?
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Interesting!!! Link on that optic? Honestly, after looking through everything, the only scope I can justify dropping my TAC30 for is going all the way to a Swarovski 1-6. There are no scopes in the $600 and lower class that will beat a TAC30 for 3gun, IMHO. There ARE scopes in the $1200-$1400 class that will, such as Bushnell Elite 1-6.5, and Vortex Razor HD2 1-6x. However, each time I look through those, without question I like the magnification boost, and especially the better glass quality.... it just isn't enough to push me past the $299 ledge of the TAC30. There are just other places I could spend the money and get more, like ammo for practice. Jesse - what do you keep all these older/inferior scopes around for? Your museum? Quoted:
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I own several Burris Tac30's. My favorite entry level 1-4X scope. The bang for the buck is unmatched. The new Vortex Spitfire 1-4X may change that opinion once I see one in person. Interesting!!! Link on that optic? Honestly, after looking through everything, the only scope I can justify dropping my TAC30 for is going all the way to a Swarovski 1-6. There are no scopes in the $600 and lower class that will beat a TAC30 for 3gun, IMHO. There ARE scopes in the $1200-$1400 class that will, such as Bushnell Elite 1-6.5, and Vortex Razor HD2 1-6x. However, each time I look through those, without question I like the magnification boost, and especially the better glass quality.... it just isn't enough to push me past the $299 ledge of the TAC30. There are just other places I could spend the money and get more, like ammo for practice. Jesse - what do you keep all these older/inferior scopes around for? Your museum? I misstyped. I meant the new Crossfire 1-4X Vortex Crossfire 1-4X I win a lot of rifles every year. You can't shoot them without glass on them. I have a thTac30's on my NC22. Stag Arms 3TM, etc, etc. You can never have too many $300 1-4X scopes lying around. |
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