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Posted: 1/28/2014 8:38:37 PM EDT
| Im looking at the TA33GH with horsehoe rectical...I have 1200 to spend I already have an Aimpoint M4s for CQB Im looking to hit out to 400 to 600 yds I like the green fiber optic...larue tactical has this model for $1023.Im new to ACOGs and I was thinking of the TA44 1.5 compact but I want something that will give me some distance as I already have the Aimpoint for close up...thanks to all in advance. |
I really like my ta33gh. Its got a good fov, its light, and the green horseshoe is a nice reticle. I've shot it out to 600 but it gets a little tough at that distance. Far better than irons or a red dot though. I think the ta33 is the best acog out there but others will be along soon to say otherwise.
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Another vote for the TA11. I would only get the TA33 if weight was your number one concern.
This guy did a great job comparing the TA31, TA11 and TA33 pros & cons: ACOG comparisons |
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I have a ta31-4x and the ta33-3x. My quick summary is:
Less than 100, the 33 easily beats the 31. It has a smaller FOV making the both eyes open work faster. You can focus on things much closer to you because min focus distance is less than half of the 31. Also eye relief is much better so you dont have to have a perfect cheek weld to get a good view through it. Obviously better for shtf cqb... Much closer to a red dot but with magnification. Greatert han 100, the 31 in every way... Much larger FOV makes for a great sight picture. Extra 1x doesnt sound like much but it is noticeable. As for 1.5x, i love the look of the ta44 and have been thinking about gettin one, but ive read several people say the 33 is really better, in that its as fast and with more mag. So not sure. I think from your post though a 4x or 6x is your best bet. The 3.5x series just seem too big to me. Always thought the 33 or 31 was a better choice based on need. Ymmv. Good luck! Its nitpicking really as the acogs are kick ass! |
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I can't imagine getting an ACOG specifically for long-range shooting. I have a couple of TA31F's and my maximum with those is 300 yards (really 200 yards). I would think a "real" scope in the 3-12x range would be best for that.
All you eagle-eyed, high speed death machine super snipers on here make me jealous. |
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Hell, I'm a 67 year old retired guy with average vision and I ring a 12x17 steel at 500 yards fairly consistently with my LAR-8 and el'cheapo chinese Burris 332 scope (that is 3x if you didn't know).
My TA33R-H ACOG should be here Saturday. I can't imagine how much better I will do by being able to see the target without squinting. Sounds to me like you just need to man up. Get out there and actually shoot at something farther than you can throw a rock. Most people are not near as bad a shot as they think they are. Of course if you have over 50 years of shooting experience it does help. But the only way to get long range experience is to just do it. |
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Hell, I'm a 67 year old retired guy with average vision and I ring a 12x17 steel at 500 yards fairly consistently with my LAR-8 and el'cheapo chinese Burris 332 scope (that is 3x if you didn't know). I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys 
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I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
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Hell, I'm a 67 year old retired guy with average vision and I ring a 12x17 steel at 500 yards fairly consistently with my LAR-8 and el'cheapo chinese Burris 332 scope (that is 3x if you didn't know). I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
Not really, With a TA33R8 I could ring a 12" dia gong off a bipod while prone or seated @ 300 yards 15 out 20 rounds with about 2 seconds ( estimate) between rounds. A 12x17 steel plate @ 500 should not be a problem for an experienced shooter with 3x . |
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Im looking at the TA33GH with horsehoe rectical...I have 1200 to spend I already have an Aimpoint M4s for CQB Im looking to hit out to 400 to 600 yds I like the green fiber optic...larue tactical has this model for $1023.Im new to ACOGs and I was thinking of the TA44 1.5 compact but I want something that will give me some distance as I already have the Aimpoint for close up...thanks to all in advance. TA33GH thats the scope....I have the TA44 Green circle dot and the TA33GH is my next purchase....keeping them both along with my Micro T-1's 2MOA |
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I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
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Hell, I'm a 67 year old retired guy with average vision and I ring a 12x17 steel at 500 yards fairly consistently with my LAR-8 and el'cheapo chinese Burris 332 scope (that is 3x if you didn't know). I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
No, not an anomaly. My slightly younger cousin does the same with a Ruger SR556 with the same 3x scope at 500 yd. I get consistent hits at 300 yd with a AK with an Aimpoint on this same steel. The target is kinda small but the 2 MOA dot doesn't completely cover it. Paint your targets white, that helps. 
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I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
FWIW, I did a 500 meter Apple Seed course where we were taught how to hit the silhouette of a man laying down prone while standing, kneeling, sitting, and prone. Nobody had trouble out to 300, things got harder past that but it was still very doable. The group I was most proud of was shot standing at 400, it was three rounds that were 3 inches by 6 inches. Wolf donated the ammo that weekend, and I shot it out of a 16" gun I built the week prior. That AR has a TA33-8 on it. You'd be amazed at what you can do with a firearm when you get quality instruction, have decent glass, and don't listen to what others think they know about ammo... by the end of the day everyone was hitting at those longer distances. Quoted:
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Hell, I'm a 67 year old retired guy with average vision and I ring a 12x17 steel at 500 yards fairly consistently with my LAR-8 and el'cheapo chinese Burris 332 scope (that is 3x if you didn't know). I'm going to go out on a very secure limb and say you're an anomaly. I'm 46 with crap vision and even with my latest prescription (about 20-30 vision with correction) I doubt I could see a 12x17 plate through a 3x optic at 500 yards, much less put a round on it. With my S&B PMII I could ring it all day long, even out to 1,000 yards. I'm GTG up to a maximum of 300 yards with a 4x TA31F, but that's my absolute limit on a good day. Your vision is probably like Tommy Lee Jones on Space Cowboys
FWIW, I did a 500 meter Apple Seed course where we were taught how to hit the silhouette of a man laying down prone while standing, kneeling, sitting, and prone. Nobody had trouble out to 300, things got harder past that but it was still very doable. The group I was most proud of was shot standing at 400, it was three rounds that were 3 inches by 6 inches. Wolf donated the ammo that weekend, and I shot it out of a 16" gun I built the week prior. That AR has a TA33-8 on it. You'd be amazed at what you can do with a firearm when you get quality instruction, have decent glass, and don't listen to what others think they know about ammo... by the end of the day everyone was hitting at those longer distances. |
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I can't imagine getting an ACOG specifically for long-range shooting. I have a couple of TA31F's and my maximum with those is 300 yards (really 200 yards). I would think a "real" scope in the 3-12x range would be best for that. All you eagle-eyed, high speed death machine super snipers on here make me jealous. I believe it has less to do with being a "eagle-eyed high speed death machine super sniper" and more with how you were taught/trained. For reference, all Marines are taught and trained to be able to hit a human sized torso at 500 yards with iron sights, consistently. We also use the TA31RCO-M4CP, (4x), which makes it super easy at 500 yards. Now, if you have vision issues, I can certainly understand how shooting distance would be an issue, but to say anything past 200/300 yards is a super sniper is a ridiculous statement, especially when talking optics. I loved my ACOG RCO I had, even adjusting for wind was easy with it. It really is a great optic, there's a damn good reason the Corps chose it. |
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I believe it has less to do with being a "eagle-eyed high speed death machine super sniper" and more with how you were taught/trained. For reference, all Marines are taught and trained to be able to hit a human sized torso at 500 yards with iron sights, consistently. We also use the TA31RCO-M4CP, (4x), which makes it super easy at 500 yards. Now, if you have vision issues, I can certainly understand how shooting distance would be an issue, but to say anything past 200/300 yards is a super sniper is a ridiculous statement, especially when talking optics. I loved my ACOG RCO I had, even adjusting for wind was easy with it. It really is a great optic, there's a damn good reason the Corps chose it. It could well be a combination of both (vision and training). Unless painted in a bright color I doubt I'd even be able to spot a stationary human at 500 yards, much less hit it with iron sights. |
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