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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:17:46 PM EDT
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Hey everyone,
So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. |
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Fixed irons first for@ 1000rds. Then decide on a 1x or higher magnification I will try to answer OP's question rather than insult his thinking. He might be a pretty good shot already with back ups or may never use them. OP, for the dollar the HD7 beats the crap out of anything out there. Amazing range of useful features, and built like a tank. Its only negative is its bulk and weight. But that's what makes it so rugged. If you want a microdot in that price range, get the HD7's little brother, the Lucid M7. It's plenty rugged, at least as much so as the others on your list, weighs only 4.7 ounces and has the same feature set of the HD7 but only one reticle. But it is a good one - the EOTech type donut dot. I have an HD7 and two M7s now and like them alot. One of my M7s is running on a tactical 12 gauge shotgun and is handling a steady diet of buckshot and slugs and holding zero like a champ. |
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. Marshall at Primary Arms has some great, low cost products! I would suggest something like. 1-6 power scope, these are great! |
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I have the PA micro dot plus magnifier (PA extended eye relief 3x), and while they're both fine products the Primary arms 1-6x is a better choice IMHO for about the same price and weight.
The optics on a real scope are just so much nicer than peering though the red dot plus magnifier. |
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For your first sight I would agree with MS556 and go with a Lucid if you want a red dot.
If you are looking for a magnified scope with a BDC for about $300 you can't go wrong with a Burris 332 scope. Nice little reticle and would be fine out to 300 yds. The Lucid and the Burris are fine little scopes for range use or hunting. Of course you can spend a lot more money and get military quality like an Aimpoint or ACOG. |
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I can not recommend any of the 3 optics that you are looking at. I suggest that you save up some more cash and buy once, cry once.
For 0-300 yards the Trijicon TR24G with LaRue LT104 mount is hard to beat, but you're going to spend $800-$1000. Buy used on the EE and save a couple hundred. If you are dead set on a red dot scope, Aimpoint or EOTech with a mount will set you back about $650, you can add magnification, but it adds extra weight and cost. |
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. |
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I just went with the Primary Arms AA Multi-Reticle Red Dot and really like it a lot. Like the Lucid HD7 is has four of the most common reticles to choose from. Another thing I like is that it uses a commonly available AA battery. It comes with a lower 1/3 AR mount and flip-caps for around $129 delivered. It seems like a real good value when combined with Primary Arms' warranty and service.
Here's the link: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-AA-Battery-Multi-Reticle-Red-Dot-GE-p/pa-aamrg3.htm |
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A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. Quoted:
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. Two questions: how much of an issue is a fixed front sight with a 1X4 scope. I've read at higher power you really don't notice the front sight in your field of view, but it does present some issues at lower powers. Also, is it difficult to setup co-witness, 1/3 or absolute, at 1X? |
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Thanks and to clarify, I have put around 700 rounds through using the mbus and was looking to upgrade to an optic. R_Steel, this ^ Posters ought to read what OP is saying before slighting his question. He has done the work with his mbus and wants optics advice. |
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I just went with the Primary Arms AA Multi-Reticle Red Dot and really like it a lot. Like the Lucid HD7 is has four of the most common reticles to choose from. Another thing I like is that it uses a commonly available AA battery. It comes with a lower 1/3 AR mount and flip-caps for around $129 delivered. It seems like a real good value when combined with Primary Arms' warranty and service. Here's the link: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-AA-Battery-Multi-Reticle-Red-Dot-GE-p/pa-aamrg3.htm I don't seem to see anything in the specs for this that includes the auto-intensity or auto shutoff after two hours offered by the Lucid HD7. Perhaps that explains the lower price. I really like those features when powering up and to greatly extend battery life. Otherwise seems to be good value. |
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Two questions: how much of an issue is a fixed front sight with a 1X4 scope. I've read at higher power you really don't notice the front sight in your field of view, but it does present some issues at lower powers. Also, is it difficult to setup co-witness, 1/3 or absolute, at 1X? Quoted:
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. Two questions: how much of an issue is a fixed front sight with a 1X4 scope. I've read at higher power you really don't notice the front sight in your field of view, but it does present some issues at lower powers. Also, is it difficult to setup co-witness, 1/3 or absolute, at 1X? Never used an LPVO with a fixed front sight, always flip-ups. With that said, yes the front sight is pretty much invisible at higher magnification, but can be seen at lower power. To me the only issue this creates is some target obstruction if viewing a target through the optic at lower magnification, but you'd experience that anyway if engaging with irons only, so I say who cares? As long as the usable portion of the reticle is above the front sight and not obstructed I think you'll be fine. The only way to really know is to try it out and see. You can forget about co-witnessing, whether it be absolute or lower 1/3. That shit just don't work right even at 1x. At least I have never seen it done properly. Anyway, personally I think it's better to run flip-up (with your glass on a QD mount) or 45 degree offset BUIS with LPVOs. |
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Never used an LPVO with a fixed front sight, always flip-ups. With that said, yes the front sight is pretty much invisible at higher magnification, but can be seen at lower power. To me the only issue this creates is some target obstruction if viewing a target through the optic at lower magnification, but you'd experience that anyway if engaging with irons only, so I say who cares? As long as the usable portion of the reticle is above the front sight and not obstructed I think you'll be fine. The only way to really know is to try it out and see. You can forget about co-witnessing, whether it be absolute or lower 1/3. That shit just don't work right even at 1x. At least I have never seen it done properly. Anyway, personally I think it's better to run flip-up (with your glass on a QD mount) or 45 degree offset BUIS with LPVOs. Quoted:
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. Two questions: how much of an issue is a fixed front sight with a 1X4 scope. I've read at higher power you really don't notice the front sight in your field of view, but it does present some issues at lower powers. Also, is it difficult to setup co-witness, 1/3 or absolute, at 1X? Never used an LPVO with a fixed front sight, always flip-ups. With that said, yes the front sight is pretty much invisible at higher magnification, but can be seen at lower power. To me the only issue this creates is some target obstruction if viewing a target through the optic at lower magnification, but you'd experience that anyway if engaging with irons only, so I say who cares? As long as the usable portion of the reticle is above the front sight and not obstructed I think you'll be fine. The only way to really know is to try it out and see. You can forget about co-witnessing, whether it be absolute or lower 1/3. That shit just don't work right even at 1x. At least I have never seen it done properly. Anyway, personally I think it's better to run flip-up (with your glass on a QD mount) or 45 degree offset BUIS with LPVOs. Just seemed that I've seen several discussions on some scopes not being true 1X and that affected the cowitnessing. Also, I'm sure you are right in that using QD mount would solve the issue. Sounds like you would just need to make sure the mount you use gets the reticle over the top of the front sight. Then low power would not be an issue. I'm not trying to hihjack this thread with details but just like the OP I'm trying to come up with the best all around optics for a new build. I'm currently playing with a Bushnell Red Dot to see which way I want to go when I choose better quality optics. |
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I don't seem to see anything in the specs for this that includes the auto-intensity or auto shutoff after two hours offered by the Lucid HD7. Perhaps that explains the lower price. I really like those features when powering up and to greatly extend battery life. Otherwise seems to be good value. Quoted:
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I just went with the Primary Arms AA Multi-Reticle Red Dot and really like it a lot. Like the Lucid HD7 is has four of the most common reticles to choose from. Another thing I like is that it uses a commonly available AA battery. It comes with a lower 1/3 AR mount and flip-caps for around $129 delivered. It seems like a real good value when combined with Primary Arms' warranty and service. Here's the link: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-AA-Battery-Multi-Reticle-Red-Dot-GE-p/pa-aamrg3.htm I don't seem to see anything in the specs for this that includes the auto-intensity or auto shutoff after two hours offered by the Lucid HD7. Perhaps that explains the lower price. I really like those features when powering up and to greatly extend battery life. Otherwise seems to be good value. That's true, the PA AA-Red Dot doesn't have that feature like the Lucid does. The intensity knob on the PA model is handy on the top-right side and is easy to control manually. As long as you can remember to turn it off yourself, it's not a problem. As you say, for the price point the PA is a good deal. As a side note, I had originally intended to get the Lucid HD7 before discovering the PA device. The Lucid is a very nice product that will serve any user well. 
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Just seemed that I've seen several discussions on some scopes not being true 1X and that affected the cowitnessing. Also, I'm sure you are right in that using QD mount would solve the issue. Sounds like you would just need to make sure the mount you use gets the reticle over the top of the front sight. Then low power would not be an issue. I'm not trying to hihjack this thread with details but just like the OP I'm trying to come up with the best all around optics for a new build. I'm currently playing with a Bushnell Red Dot to see which way I want to go when I choose better quality optics. Quoted:
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Hey everyone, So I've been a lurker for a while and just built my first AR and am down to 3 options for my AR: Lucid HD7 with 2x magnifier Primary Arms Micro with Magnifier Primary Arms 2.5x with ACSS I've read a lot of reviews and was leaning towards the 2.5x with ACSS but a lot of reviews say the reticle is too small to really do much with it. The farthest I would shoot out is probably 300 yards. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my buis are magpuls. Thanks for the help. A good 1-4x or 1-6x is the closest thing you'll get to a do-it-all optic and is what I recommend for a non-mission specific general purpose AR. At 1x power many LPVO reticles perform the duty of a red dot with the added benefit of increasing magnification for the occasional long shot. If your batteries take a shit or the electronics in your optic goes tits up you're not dead in the water as you'd have an etched reticle to work with. More importantly, keeping a good set of irons zeroed and ready to deploy should your glass cease to be functional altogether. Two questions: how much of an issue is a fixed front sight with a 1X4 scope. I've read at higher power you really don't notice the front sight in your field of view, but it does present some issues at lower powers. Also, is it difficult to setup co-witness, 1/3 or absolute, at 1X? Never used an LPVO with a fixed front sight, always flip-ups. With that said, yes the front sight is pretty much invisible at higher magnification, but can be seen at lower power. To me the only issue this creates is some target obstruction if viewing a target through the optic at lower magnification, but you'd experience that anyway if engaging with irons only, so I say who cares? As long as the usable portion of the reticle is above the front sight and not obstructed I think you'll be fine. The only way to really know is to try it out and see. You can forget about co-witnessing, whether it be absolute or lower 1/3. That shit just don't work right even at 1x. At least I have never seen it done properly. Anyway, personally I think it's better to run flip-up (with your glass on a QD mount) or 45 degree offset BUIS with LPVOs. Just seemed that I've seen several discussions on some scopes not being true 1X and that affected the cowitnessing. Also, I'm sure you are right in that using QD mount would solve the issue. Sounds like you would just need to make sure the mount you use gets the reticle over the top of the front sight. Then low power would not be an issue. I'm not trying to hihjack this thread with details but just like the OP I'm trying to come up with the best all around optics for a new build. I'm currently playing with a Bushnell Red Dot to see which way I want to go when I choose better quality optics. Just to clarify I'm referring strictly to co-witnessing both front and rear irons to ensure you're getting good absolute or lower 1/3 sight alignment with your reticle and your BUIS, which doesn't work if you've set up your LPVO correctly for proper eye-relief. If your plan is to peer through the scope at 1x and just align the reticle with the front sight then that's about as close as you'll get to a true co-witness, which may or may not be spot on for you. Good luck in your decision. |
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That's true, the PA AA-Red Dot doesn't have that feature like the Lucid does. The intensity knob on the PA model is handy on the top-right side and is easy to control manually. As long as you can remember to turn it off yourself, it's not a problem. As you say, for the price point the PA is a good deal. As a side note, I had originally intended to get the Lucid HD7 before discovering the PA device. The Lucid is a very nice product that will serve any user well.
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I just went with the Primary Arms AA Multi-Reticle Red Dot and really like it a lot. Like the Lucid HD7 is has four of the most common reticles to choose from. Another thing I like is that it uses a commonly available AA battery. It comes with a lower 1/3 AR mount and flip-caps for around $129 delivered. It seems like a real good value when combined with Primary Arms' warranty and service. Here's the link: https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-AA-Battery-Multi-Reticle-Red-Dot-GE-p/pa-aamrg3.htm I don't seem to see anything in the specs for this that includes the auto-intensity or auto shutoff after two hours offered by the Lucid HD7. Perhaps that explains the lower price. I really like those features when powering up and to greatly extend battery life. Otherwise seems to be good value. That's true, the PA AA-Red Dot doesn't have that feature like the Lucid does. The intensity knob on the PA model is handy on the top-right side and is easy to control manually. As long as you can remember to turn it off yourself, it's not a problem. As you say, for the price point the PA is a good deal. As a side note, I had originally intended to get the Lucid HD7 before discovering the PA device. The Lucid is a very nice product that will serve any user well.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are made in the same plant. I don't know, but the similarities are sure there. |
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