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Posted: 6/6/2013 5:05:58 PM EDT
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I've got it narrowed to 3. Now , the 3 I think I've gotten to ar the NightForce NSX 1-4, the Vortex PST 1-4 and the Leupold VX-R patrol 1-4. I probably will never shoot much over 2-300 yards so I think the 1-4 is what I'm looking for so, I can use it close up and out to 2-300 yards. I have Eotech's and Aimpoints but want more magnification.
Is the NightForce really that much better? I'm not one to baby anything so I want one that I don't have to worry about bumping around and defenatly want something I can rely on no mater what happens. Is it go big or go home with the NightForce or is one of these less expensive options good enough. I want to be able to trust my life on this so be honest. |
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I've got it narrowed to 3. Now , the 3 I think I've gotten to ar the NightForce NSX 1-4, the Vortex PST 1-4 and the Leupold VX-R patrol 1-4. I probably will never shoot much over 2-300 yards so I think the 1-4 is what I'm looking for so, I can use it close up and out to 2-300 yards. I have Eotech's and Aimpoints but want more magnification. Is the NightForce really that much better? I'm not one to baby anything so I want one that I don't have to worry about bumping around and defenatly want something I can rely on no mater what happens. Is it go big or go home with the NightForce or is one of the less expensive options good enough. I want to be able to trust my life on this so be honest. You don't have to spend a ton of money on a reliable scope; having a reticle that can range a target fast and provide ballistic hold over without fiddling with the elevation turret is what is going to save your bacon in a 1-4x situation. My vote goes to the Hi-Lux Leatherwood CMR or CMR2. http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-Kit-P47565.aspx 
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| I've got the Leupold VX-R Patrol SPR illuminated, 1.25-4X and really like it for the distances you are talking about. It's light weight (11.5 oz) have it mounted with a LaRue LT 104 QD, works great, simple reticle and not a whole lot of money. Good Luck with your decision. |
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I've got it narrowed to 3. Now , the 3 I think I've gotten to ar the NightForce NSX 1-4, the Vortex PST 1-4 and the Leupold VX-R patrol 1-4. I probably will never shoot much over 2-300 yards so I think the 1-4 is what I'm looking for so, I can use it close up and out to 2-300 yards. I have Eotech's and Aimpoints but want more magnification. Is the NightForce really that much better? I'm not one to baby anything so I want one that I don't have to worry about bumping around and defenatly want something I can rely on no mater what happens. Is it go big or go home with the NightForce or is one of the less expensive options good enough. I want to be able to trust my life on this so be honest. You don't have to spend a ton of money on a reliable scope; having a reticle that can range a target fast and provide ballistic hold over without fiddling with the elevation turret is what is going to save your bacon in a 1-4x situation. My vote goes to the Hi-Lux Leatherwood CMR or CMR2. http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-1-4x24-CMR-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-Kit-P47565.aspx http://hi-luxoptics.com/images/cmr_reticle_notes.jpg This |
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No way I'd buy the CMR over the others. Get the PST if you want the best value or the NF if you want bomb proof. I agree, I had a CMR, and it was a decent scope. The Eye box wasn't near as large as some others I've used. The knobs are so large, and easy to move that they were always be a few clicks from where I set them after slinging the rifle. It is also heavy, and the glass was good for the price, but nothing compared to what you are considering. 
I miss the mount more than the scope. 
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I doubt many would argue that a 1-4X magnification is not a good choice for an AR with targets in the 5 to 500 yards range.
I think where we see many more opinions; is on reticle selection. In my opinion the Trijicon horseshoe or chevron reticle with BDC and ranging is the way to go for a 1-4X situation. At 1X power you focus more on the horseshoe/dot or chevron (similar to aimpoint/eotech) and at 4X power the BDC and ranging can be used. This type reticle allows for the fastest possible firing solution to be obtained an any target within 5-500 yards. I have a fixed 10x with mil-dots; it's a one pony show. I'm not going to be clearing houses or getting into a firefight with it anytime soon. Sure; I can go to the range and shoot paper targets at close range with it; but they are not shooting back. When you get into variable scopes; the options become numerous and you have to start asking a lot of questions about situations the reticle needs to perform in. In the end; you are going to have some compromises. For me; the Trijicon horseshoe or chevron reticle with BDC and ranging answers these questions. Trijicon Examples: 
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A Trijicon with those recitical chooses is not available in 1-4 they are fixed 4 power optics. While I would like one IF it was 1-4, I am looking specifically for something that has a true 1 power or in the VX-R patrol 1.5 power How about 1-6X. The VCOG is coming out later this year in the fall. It has a segmented circle w/BDC or horseshoe dot w/bdc. Trijicon VCOG Segmented Circle: 
Horseshoe Dot: 
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The VCOGwould be nice but its outside my price range When I said Hi-Lux CMR/CMR2 earlier; I meant CMR4. Leupold has a CMR2. The Hi-Lux CMR4 is supposed to be an improved version of the CMR and sell for around $500. http://www.hi-luxoptics.com/product/riflescopes/tactical-scopes/cmr-series/cmr4-scope-2/ 
Leupold 1.5-5x20 Mark 4 MR/T 30mm Riflescope has what they call a CMR2 reticle that is a horseshoe dot. It's around $1000. http://swfa.com/Leupold-15-5x20-Mark-4-MRT-30mm-Riflescope-P47635.aspx 
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