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Posted: 12/12/2011 4:38:49 PM EDT
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I have a RRA Tactical Carry Handle on my AR. This RRA carry handle is made for Aimpoint optics, which I don't have. I am thinking of switching to a BUIS by UTG (Either the full fix rear sight, or the compact rear sight. My main thing is the co-witnessablilty with any optic, and not just one specific brand or function. Will a Run of the mill BUIS co-witness with a Eotech, or a Aimpoint; or is that just wishful thinking? The weight is also is something to consider as well (7lbs). Should I keep the one I have and stick it out, or when the opportunity presents itself buy a new BUIS. I am also under this impression that a folder rear sight will break on me at the worst time. I don't know why I think that, but I do.
Thanks for the help, B62stew |
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First off, don't buy anything UTG and expect it to last. You would be better off with spending a bit more money and finding a used Larue, Daniel Defense, or LMT fixed BUIS if you truly want a fixed sight. I think I saw someone on Ebay that had LMT rear sights for around $40. They didn't look like fakes to me either.
They will all cowitness with the sights you listed(Aimpoints will depend on what mount you use). If you buy a quality folding BUIS you won't have to worry about it breaking or folding on you. There are lots of good options out there. |
Stay away from the UTG stuff, its junk 
With that said, all BUIS unless specified as "low pro" are on the same sight plain as your fixed FSB, so you have a broad selection to choose from. I assume you are buying on a budget since you were looking at the UTG offerings, so I would recommend a Matech of of Ebay for $35-40, It is the standard issue BUIS for the US Armed Forces and will serve you well. As far as co-whitness goes there are two types: "Absolute" and "Lower 1/3" for example, EoTech makes optics in both flavors, the non-raised versions (512, 552, XPS2, XPS3) will offer a "Absolute" co-whitness, while the raised versions (EXPS2, EXPS3, 516, 552, 517, 556) will offer a "lower 1/3" Aimpoint products usually come with a QRP2 mount that is a oddball height that splits the difference, but all the after market mounts (Larue, ADM, ect.) will come in "Absolute" and "Lower 1/3", out of which I prefer the ADM |
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Ok...UTG=Crap. WHY?
Daniel Defense and LaRue tactical have a fixed BUIS that looks like it is somewhat the same product. Does anybody have any experience with this type of product? It was supposed to be a budget build. I haven't calculated the cost, but I don't want to unnecessarily go out an spend 100+ bucks on a Iron Sight and be disappointed again; I think I sort of did that with the RRA Tactical Carry Handle, and I will feel a bit foolish if I have to buy another Iron Sight and up hating it. Thanks for the help B62stew |
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If you are on a budget just get the Magpul back up sights......much better reputation than UTG......UTG is kind of known as the Airsoft thing around here.
You can always try to trade your RRA tactical cary handle for a good BUIS. I wouldn't worry about the folding buis. I run one and have never had an issue with it....then again...its no duty weapon. As far as co-witnessing....it really depends on the mount you are using with the red dot. I like the upper 1/3 I get with my PA Micro Dot and ADT-1 mount. |
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Ok...UTG=Crap. WHY? Daniel Defense and LaRue tactical have a fixed BUIS that looks like it is somewhat the same product. Does anybody have any experience with this type of product? It was supposed to be a budget build. I haven't calculated the cost, but I don't want to unnecessarily go out an spend 100+ bucks on a Iron Sight and be disappointed again; I think I sort of did that with the RRA Tactical Carry Handle, and I will feel a bit foolish if I have to buy another Iron Sight and up hating it. Thanks for the help B62stew Have you ever seen UTG products in person? The metal that UTG uses is far from aircraft grade aluminum, more like melted tin cans... Not to mention the fact that UTG is a chinese company, however they have recently opened up some factories here... but still its a chinese company, and for around $20 more you could have a American made BUIS of higher quality. |
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Magpul BUIS are affordable and high quality, there is no point even considering anything that costs less (as the quality will drop so fast its not worth the meager savings). I run both Magpul and Troy buis on a few rifles and like both. Budget build, go with magpul. If your budget allows, absolutely upgrade to Troy folding BUIS. |
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I have never dealt with, to my knowledge, UTG products. I was also looking at a TROY fixed battle sight to use as a BUIS. I found a black one on Amazon for 50 dollars; they don't have the problem with the cheap Chinese knockoffs do they? How are they overall? Will they work with a fixed front sight base? Because on the website says "The Troy Rear Fixed Rail Sight is designed to work on same plane rail systems only. Will not work with a railed gas block that is higher or lower than the receiver." I want to think I am in the clear but I just want to be sure.
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run from it like its the plague dont put airsoft garbage on your AR!!! If you need an economical sight look at the magpul mbus.
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You are more likely to have a fixed UTG break than any decent folding sight.
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I have a RRA Tactical Carry Handle on my AR. This RRA carry handle is made for Aimpoint optics, which I don't have. I am thinking of switching to a BUIS by UTG (Either the full fix rear sight, or the compact rear sight. My main thing is the co-witnessablilty with any optic, and not just one specific brand or function. Will a Run of the mill BUIS co-witness with a Eotech, or a Aimpoint; or is that just wishful thinking? The weight is also is something to consider as well (7lbs). Should I keep the one I have and stick it out, or when the opportunity presents itself buy a new BUIS. I am also under this impression that a folder rear sight will break on me at the worst time. I don't know why I think that, but I do. Thanks for the help, B62stew |
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The RRA Tactical Carry Handle has an A2 rear sight. Why do you need another rear sight? I am just looking at options if I decide to switch rear iron sights. The weight is sort of bugging me, 7 lbs without an optic and magazine. If I find a better option, that I like, at a reasonable price, then yes, I will switch. If not I will keep what I have and 'grin and bear it'. I bought this iron sight on a whim with no research before hand about the product, and I am finding out the hard way that this is not what I want. It is always good to do your homework. B62stew |
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that carry handle is a great sight, and should serve you well. I think the Primary Arms Microdot should go on there and give you an inexpensive and light red dot sight that will co witness with your iron sights.
You can ask Marsh in the primary arms vendor forum to make sure. this is the model that should work for you. I have a couple of them, and they work very well. |
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I think I have figured out why I want a new rear sight so bad. The reason I have come up with is the height factor. Whenever I looked at at the RRA Tactical Carry Handle with an optic mounted on it
something always bugged me. Something didn't feel right. It was that the height of the optic was much higher than my immediate field of vision. I would have to move my head, when looking through an optic (both Eotech and a BSA red dot), in a unnatural motion, which is up and off the stock, thus taking away from the stability whenever the weapon is fired form my shoulder. This might sound nuts and that I have lost it. Feel free to question the logic of my above statement. B62stew |
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I think I have figured out why I want a new rear sight so bad. The reason I have come up with is the height factor. Whenever I looked at at the RRA Tactical Carry Handle with an optic mounted on it something always bugged me. Something didn't feel right. It was that the height of the optic was much higher than my immediate field of vision. I would have to move my head, when looking through an optic (both Eotech and a BSA red dot), in a unnatural motion, which is up and off the stock, thus taking away from the stability whenever the weapon is fired form my shoulder. This might sound nuts and that I have lost it. Feel free to question the logic of my above statement. B62stew Well, the tactical carry handle sits atop your receiver rail and then there is a rail on it so you're right in that it is raising the optic up even further. Now, if it's a low optic like an Eotech then you're probably okay. In fact, a lot of people use risers with the Eotech to bring it up a little higher. An Aimpoint T-1 or similar optic on a "tall" mount which is meant to provide a lower 1/3 co-witness is going to be a tad high for you. Personally, unless you plan to run an Eotech I say dump the RRA sight and get a standard rear sight. Before someone says to run a red dot on a low mount remember that if you end up dumping the RRA tactical carry handle down the road, you'll now have an optic sitting lower and possibly co-witnessing with your irons. If you're not sure that is something you will want then think twice before going down that road. I think you really need to think about what kind of set-up you want before you just start dropping money on new stuff and selling old stuff. You're concern over weight is valid. I think the DD rear sights may be the lightest. Check them out. I don't know how LT stacks up against LMT with respect to weight. If you put a red dot on there, the T-1 is about as good as it gets. |
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I think I have figured out why I want a new rear sight so bad. The reason I have come up with is the height factor. Whenever I looked at at the RRA Tactical Carry Handle with an optic mounted on it something always bugged me. Something didn't feel right. It was that the height of the optic was much higher than my immediate field of vision. I would have to move my head, when looking through an optic (both Eotech and a BSA red dot), in a unnatural motion, which is up and off the stock, thus taking away from the stability whenever the weapon is fired form my shoulder. This might sound nuts and that I have lost it. Feel free to question the logic of my above statement. B62stew Well, the tactical carry handle sits atop your receiver rail and then there is a rail on it so you're right in that it is raising the optic up even further. Now, if it's a low optic like an Eotech then you're probably okay. In fact, a lot of people use risers with the Eotech to bring it up a little higher. An Aimpoint T-1 or similar optic on a "tall" mount which is meant to provide a lower 1/3 co-witness is going to be a tad high for you. Personally, unless you plan to run an Eotech I say dump the RRA sight and get a standard rear sight. Before someone says to run a red dot on a low mount remember that if you end up dumping the RRA tactical carry handle down the road, you'll now have an optic sitting lower and possibly co-witnessing with your irons. If you're not sure that is something you will want then think twice before going down that road. I think you really need to think about what kind of set-up you want before you just start dropping money on new stuff and selling old stuff. You're concern over weight is valid. I think the DD rear sights may be the lightest. Check them out. I don't know how LT stacks up against LMT with respect to weight. If you put a red dot on there, the T-1 is about as good as it gets. I have my eye on some brands First is the DD a1.5 rear sight and the LaRue Tactical B.U.I.S. QD LT103, They look like they are the same product except with different brand names on them. Except that The LaRue sight has a "Same Plane" option. What does that mean? I am also looking at a TROY FIXED REAR BATTLE SIGHTS as another option. I see that some people on this form have DD or LaRue sights on their ARs, I would like to know what they think of them? I can't find a good review either of the sights on the internet using Google. B62stew |
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I looked at LMT Rear sights; Nice, but I don't know. I had the opportunity to look at a Troy Fixed Rear Battle Sight this weekend at a gun shop here in town. One thing that I noticed is that the A2 aperture had 'slop' when I switched it from the small peep to the large peep, ie. it felt loose. Is that normal for Troy? Seems like a product defect with the looseness that I felt. I noticed that LaRue Tactical had the option of 'same plane' for their peep sights. What does that mean? and does it even make a difference over a regular A2 rear sight aperture?
B62stew |
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UTG 950RS looks the same as the LMT rear MBUS..
The difference is about $30.. Amazon has the UTG for $25 and about $5.XX shipping.. Altatac (seller) on EB has the LMT for $48 and free shipping (where I got mine from).. that being said my nephews 'budget' build for Christmas has the UTG installed on it.. tested today and all seemed well with the 12 rounds I shot.. 
to me they DO feel the same.. time will tell.. **ETA: my LMT and UTG have stiff flip aperatures.. |
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