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11/25/2011 3:58:13 AM EDT


I am curious about reviews of Horus optics as I see Todd Hodnett endorsing such. I am currently plotting a NF 2x10x32 for an AR15 and maybe .308, generally not to exceed 600 yard shots. Primary use will be shooting deer and other critters of the enchanted forest. Are there any comparisons to draw between the two scopes?




Any issues with the NF not being First Focal Plane?




Thoughts and options for the NF scope with the Horus reticle?







Recommended reticles for such applications?







Any insight is greatly appreciated.







Of course all purchases will be made from LaRue











 
11/26/2011 4:23:24 AM EDT
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I have a Horus reticle in a Bushnell...aka the HDMR.  Horus optics had a crappy warranty before they partnered with Bushnell.  I love Horus reticle for use with unknown distances.  The reticle isn't as "busy" as one would think and after using it, you will get used to the reticle.  I love not having to dial each time I want to take a shot.  The hold over feature works very well as I have shot to 1,025 yards without having to dial.

NF does offer FFP in the F1 model.  I've never owned a NF, but the guys on SH seem to love their optics.  If you are military/LE, you might be able to get an awesome deal on the HDMR.  I got one for nearly half the cost.
11/26/2011 9:51:59 AM EDT
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I've got a Horus on a .308 Tikka T3 and I really like it.   I have no idea how to shoot long distance yet, so I'm not the best reviewer, but I find it clear and easy to operate.
11/26/2011 8:58:13 PM EDT
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I am curious about reviews of Horus optics as I see Todd Hodnett endorsing such. I am currently plotting a NF 2x10x32 for an AR15 and maybe .308, generally not to exceed 600 yard shots. Primary use will be shooting deer and other critters of the enchanted forest. Are there any comparisons to draw between the two scopes?




Any issues with the NF not being First Focal Plane?




Thoughts and options for the NF scope with the Horus reticle?




Recommended reticles for such applications?




Any insight is greatly appreciated.




Of course all purchases will be made from LaRue






 


First focal plane would be unnecessary in a 2-10x scope since you'd likely only be ranging/holding over at 10x (which is the only power setting the reticle would be accurate in a second focal plane scope).



The NF is an excellent scope, and the Horus reticle makes elevation and windage holdovers as easy as possible. A tad overkill for only 600m IME, but it certainly doesn't hurt.



Any reticle with MIL/MOA marks would suffice, but I'd make sure the turret adjustments match the reticle marks (MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA).



 
11/26/2011 9:42:10 PM EDT
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I am curious about reviews of Horus optics as I see Todd Hodnett endorsing such. I am currently plotting a NF 2x10x32 for an AR15 and maybe .308, generally not to exceed 600 yard shots. Primary use will be shooting deer and other critters of the enchanted forest. Are there any comparisons to draw between the two scopes?




Any issues with the NF not being First Focal Plane?




Thoughts and options for the NF scope with the Horus reticle?




Recommended reticles for such applications?




Any insight is greatly appreciated.




Of course all purchases will be made from LaRue






 


First focal plane would be unnecessary in a 2-10x scope since you'd likely only be ranging/holding over at 10x (which is the only power setting the reticle would be accurate in a second focal plane scope).



The NF is an excellent scope, and the Horus reticle makes elevation and windage holdovers as easy as possible. A tad overkill for only 600m IME, but it certainly doesn't hurt.



Any reticle with MIL/MOA marks would suffice, but I'd make sure the turret adjustments match the reticle marks (MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA).

 


So I am thinking the NF 2-10x with the MOA/MOA, since I have only ever been exposed to MOA.   Which Horus Reticle?

 
11/26/2011 10:01:31 PM EDT
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I am curious about reviews of Horus optics as I see Todd Hodnett endorsing such. I am currently plotting a NF 2x10x32 for an AR15 and maybe .308, generally not to exceed 600 yard shots. Primary use will be shooting deer and other critters of the enchanted forest. Are there any comparisons to draw between the two scopes?













Any issues with the NF not being First Focal Plane?













Thoughts and options for the NF scope with the Horus reticle?













Recommended reticles for such applications?













Any insight is greatly appreciated.













Of course all purchases will be made from LaRue


















 





First focal plane would be unnecessary in a 2-10x scope since you'd likely only be ranging/holding over at 10x (which is the only power setting the reticle would be accurate in a second focal plane scope).
The NF is an excellent scope, and the Horus reticle makes elevation and windage holdovers as easy as possible. A tad overkill for only 600m IME, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
Any reticle with MIL/MOA marks would suffice, but I'd make sure the turret adjustments match the reticle marks (MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA).




 





So I am thinking the NF 2-10x with the MOA/MOA, since I have only ever been exposed to MOA.   Which Horus Reticle?  





Horus reticles are in MILs, so I'd go with MIL turrets.
ETA: I just checked NF's website, and I don't think any Horus reticles are options in the 2.5-10x scope. It looks like the only ranging type reticles available for that scope are Mildot, NP-R2 (MOA based), and Velocity reticles. The Horus H58 reticle is only available on the 3.5-15x F1 Front Focal Plane scope.
 
11/26/2011 10:39:34 PM EDT
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I am curious about reviews of Horus optics as I see Todd Hodnett endorsing such. I am currently plotting a NF 2x10x32 for an AR15 and maybe .308, generally not to exceed 600 yard shots. Primary use will be shooting deer and other critters of the enchanted forest. Are there any comparisons to draw between the two scopes?




Any issues with the NF not being First Focal Plane?




Thoughts and options for the NF scope with the Horus reticle?




Recommended reticles for such applications?




Any insight is greatly appreciated.




Of course all purchases will be made from LaRue






 


First focal plane would be unnecessary in a 2-10x scope since you'd likely only be ranging/holding over at 10x (which is the only power setting the reticle would be accurate in a second focal plane scope).



The NF is an excellent scope, and the Horus reticle makes elevation and windage holdovers as easy as possible. A tad overkill for only 600m IME, but it certainly doesn't hurt.



Any reticle with MIL/MOA marks would suffice, but I'd make sure the turret adjustments match the reticle marks (MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA).

 


So I am thinking the NF 2-10x with the MOA/MOA, since I have only ever been exposed to MOA.   Which Horus Reticle?  


Horus reticles are in MILs, so I'd go with MIL turrets.



ETA: I just checked NF's website, and I don't think any Horus reticles are options in the 2.5-10x scope. It looks like the only ranging type reticles available for that scope are Mildot, NP-R2 (MOA based), and Velocity reticles. The Horus H58 reticle is only available on the 3.5-15x F1 Front Focal Plane scope.

 


Thanks for your due diligence good sir. Any thoughts on the velocity reticles?

 
11/26/2011 11:18:38 PM EDT
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Thanks for your due diligence good sir. Any thoughts on the velocity reticles?  


Haven't used one personally, but it looks like a good idea as long as you do the proper research and get the proper version compatible with your loads.



 
11/27/2011 3:49:41 AM EDT
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I've never owned a NF, but the guys on SH seem to love their optics.


I would say that they love the scopes, not necessarily the optics.  The NF glass is good, not great.  Zeiss, Swarovski and several others have better optics.  What the NF has over almost every other scope out there is a bulletproof mechanism that is consistent and "frills" that matter for long range shooting.  Consider usage.  The target customer for NF is the shooter that shoots at varying ranges and dials for bullet drop and is taking shots that count for infinitely more than scores.  Reliability is paramount followed closely by repeatability.  The NF delivers both in spades.

Compare that to scopes that are known for optical quality like Zeiss and Swarovski.  While I've never heard of one failing, I've also never seen one in use by anyone other than a hunter that is shooting at medium rage at most and zeros the scope and either relies on a PBZ, a holdover reticule or Kentucky windage to make a shot.  Under that set of circumstances, the scope only needs to be able to go afield without shifting POI and its ability to resolve that trophy animal in marginal lighting becomes much more important than its ability to shoot a perfect box test.

Different set of criteria for different end users.  You could make a NF quality mechanism with Swarovski quality glass but you'd have to take out a second mortgage to afford it and it's doubtful that it would provide any level of real-world benefit beyond what NF currently delivers.
11/27/2011 8:39:43 AM EDT
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I've never owned a NF, but the guys on SH seem to love their optics.


I would say that they love the scopes, not necessarily the optics.  The NF glass is good, not great.  Zeiss, Swarovski and several others have better optics.  What the NF has over almost every other scope out there is a bulletproof mechanism that is consistent and "frills" that matter for long range shooting.  Consider usage.  The target customer for NF is the shooter that shoots at varying ranges and dials for bullet drop and is taking shots that count for infinitely more than scores.  Reliability is paramount followed closely by repeatability.  The NF delivers both in spades.

Compare that to scopes that are known for optical quality like Zeiss and Swarovski.  While I've never heard of one failing, I've also never seen one in use by anyone other than a hunter that is shooting at medium rage at most and zeros the scope and either relies on a PBZ, a holdover reticule or Kentucky windage to make a shot.  Under that set of circumstances, the scope only needs to be able to go afield without shifting POI and its ability to resolve that trophy animal in marginal lighting becomes much more important than its ability to shoot a perfect box test.

Different set of criteria for different end users.  You could make a NF quality mechanism with Swarovski quality glass but you'd have to take out a second mortgage to afford it and it's doubtful that it would provide any level of real-world benefit beyond what NF currently delivers.


Very good post!

A related aspect of the reliability from NF is the comparative heavy weight, which may not be particularly desirable for a stalking game hunter....basically the same reason why #7 contour barrels are not very common on purely "hunting" rifles.

11/27/2011 11:31:35 AM EDT
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I have a Horus reticle in a Bushnell...aka the HDMR.  Horus optics had a crappy warranty before they partnered with Bushnell.  I love Horus reticle for use with unknown distances.  The reticle isn't as "busy" as one would think and after using it, you will get used to the reticle.  I love not having to dial each time I want to take a shot.  The hold over feature works very well as I have shot to 1,025 yards without having to dial.

NF does offer FFP in the F1 model.  I've never owned a NF, but the guys on SH seem to love their optics.  If you are military/LE, you might be able to get an awesome deal on the HDMR.  I got one for nearly half the cost.


Where did you get that deal?
11/27/2011 1:17:03 PM EDT
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I have a Horus reticle in a Bushnell...aka the HDMR.  Horus optics had a crappy warranty before they partnered with Bushnell.  I love Horus reticle for use with unknown distances.  The reticle isn't as "busy" as one would think and after using it, you will get used to the reticle.  I love not having to dial each time I want to take a shot.  The hold over feature works very well as I have shot to 1,025 yards without having to dial.



NF does offer FFP in the F1 model.  I've never owned a NF, but the guys on SH seem to love their optics.  If you are military/LE, you might be able to get an awesome deal on the HDMR.  I got one for nearly half the cost.




Where did you get that deal?






 











11/27/2011 6:58:30 PM EDT
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while I dont have a night force I do have a weaver 3x10 tactical with mil/mil reticle and knobs . the scope is a second focal plane optic and ranges on ten power .  I like the mil-dot reticle best because it dont matter what rifle or caliber you use  your not tethered to a bullet drop compensator . I shot at known distance to verify the bullet drop and made me a small chart  for come ups . I now have the option of using the mil-dots for holdover or dialing it in . If your lazy like I am a nikon rangefinder really makes getting the distance alot easier.
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