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Originally Posted By thecolter383:
I wanted to share some targets I created to assist in zeroing my Aimpoint optics. I was always unsatisfied with using other targets to zero my Aimpoints as I felt as if I was guessing whether or not to dot was correctly centered over the target. I created these to address my concerns and they have worked quite well and definitely speed up the zeroing process. I also have shot tighter groups using these targets. The targets are ‘calibrated’ for use at 50 yards to obtain the 50y/200m improved zero. The target consists of:
When the target is correctly placed at 50 yards, the optics dot will completely cover the colored portion of the corresponding target. The black ring will assist in correctly centering the optic over the target for a near perfect hold (depending on if you do your part). Just shoot your groups and use the adjustment references to quickly move your point of impact. This should speed up the zeroing process and provide an extremely accurate zero at the same time. Examples: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8513818288_a2efb03a06_o.jpg Download the targets in .pdf format HERE Just make sure your printer scaling is set to NONE / ACTUAL SIZE and you should be good to go. I hope this can be useful to others. Adjusted 25 yard targets for a 50 yard zero Here are 25 yard targets that will give you a 50/200 yard zero when used properly when you only have access to a shorter range. These were made to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. Place the target at 25 yards. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. Fire your group. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. The math works out to give you a 50/200 yard zero. Be careful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as it is not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. Also, be sure to verify this at 50 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). 25 Yard Target Examples: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8522/8516619871_6ab107b2ef_o.jpg The Aimpoint 25 yard - 50/200 yard zero target in .pdf can be downloaded HERE Adjusted 25 yard targets for a 100 yard zero Same instructions as the adjusted 25 yard targets for a 50 yard zero, only these are calibrated to give a 100 yard zero. Again, be sure to confirm your zero at 100 yards given the chance. Examples: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8517734678_6a7d8f428d_o.jpg The 25 yard - 100 yard zero target in .pdf can be downloaded HERE If printing in black and white, use the green targets as I've found they print better in grayscale. I encourage anyone who uses these to leave feedback in this thread for future improvements or suggestions. If there are any other targets you'd like to see (different calibers / loads) let me know and I'll will work something up. Also check out these targets 25M improved zero targets I created based of the common US Military Zero target. They have adjusted zeros for 50/200M, 100M, and the standard 300M zero: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6554038077_37a7a73622.jpg http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/556355_Improved_25M_AR15A2___A3___A4_and_AR15_Carbine_Zero_Targets____Calibrated_for_50_200M__100M__300M.html View Quote THANKS! |
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http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-50-yard-zero-for-5-56mm/ If some one could hotlink this for me |
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Here's the argument for a 100 yd. zero:
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/23123/zero-distance-for-a-home-defense-ar-15/ |
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This greatly helped me zero my Aimpoint Micro. Now I have a Leupold Mark AR 1.5x4 with the green firedot on a different rifle. Which of these would work best? The first one?
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Originally Posted By maveric23:
Here's the argument for a 100 yd. zero: http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/23123/zero-distance-for-a-home-defense-ar-15/ View Quote I'm on this scenario, how convenient that you've posted this, and TRUUUUULY APPRECIATED! Advance apology to the Admin/ moderator is this is the appropriate place to this query. I'm limited to going to two range for BCM Midlength: Article 2 (25 yard range) or GAT ( 50 and 75 yard range) Article 2 is my choice due mainly to proximity. This is where I started sighting my middy (iron sights only). My experience is mainly on what I learned in the Marine Corp. Article 2 is also where I co-witness my Aimpoint H1. I'm okay with this setup since, I'm not into long range shooting. Mostly for home protection/SHTF. That's a separate thread. In between getting invited to GAT, where a few friends took me to the 75 yard, of course my shots where wildly off. Already I knew, I cannot use my H1 in this range. So for 40 rounds, I had to walk my shots to bulleyes. Two shots and adjusting my frontsight, mostly going down, using GAT's rifle sled (which I'm not familiar, but, got the jest of keeping my shots steady. Maybe due to excitement, I forgot that I may have ruined my zero for my intended purpose of owning this rifle. So I asked to be educated on where is a better place to zero rifle again: Article 2 or GAT. --- intended purpose again is for home defense/SHTF I'm not against, seeking professional schooling since both offer classes or even getting a 3x multiplier scope to compliment my Aimpoint H1 THANKS in advance |
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Originally Posted By Ledanek:
... Maybe due to excitement, I forgot that I may have ruined my zero for my intended purpose of owning this rifle. So I asked to be educated on where is a better place to zero rifle again: Article 2 or GAT. --- intended purpose again is for home defense/SHTF I'm not against, seeking professional schooling since both offer classes or even getting a 3x multiplier scope to compliment my Aimpoint H1 THANKS in advance View Quote Unless you live in a mansion so big that it would make Buckingham Palace look like a doll house, the difference in sighting in at 25y for 200y zero or zeroed at 75y will be inconsequential in home defense. And if you do have to shoot a home invader in the eye, just aim 2-1/2 to 3" high. Whether you choose 100y or 200y zero, go to the 50y range and get dialed in. That way you won't miss and just take off his ear. |
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Originally Posted By DIYinSTL:
Unless you live in a mansion so big that it would make Buckingham Palace look like a doll house, the difference in sighting in at 25y for 200y zero or zeroed at 75y will be inconsequential in home defense. And if you do have to shoot a home invader in the eye, just aim 2-1/2 to 3" high. Whether you choose 100y or 200y zero, go to the 50y range and get dialed in. That way you won't miss and just take off his ear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DIYinSTL:
Originally Posted By Ledanek:
... Maybe due to excitement, I forgot that I may have ruined my zero for my intended purpose of owning this rifle. So I asked to be educated on where is a better place to zero rifle again: Article 2 or GAT. --- intended purpose again is for home defense/SHTF I'm not against, seeking professional schooling since both offer classes or even getting a 3x multiplier scope to compliment my Aimpoint H1 THANKS in advance Unless you live in a mansion so big that it would make Buckingham Palace look like a doll house, the difference in sighting in at 25y for 200y zero or zeroed at 75y will be inconsequential in home defense. And if you do have to shoot a home invader in the eye, just aim 2-1/2 to 3" high. Whether you choose 100y or 200y zero, go to the 50y range and get dialed in. That way you won't miss and just take off his ear. actually, it IS a palace. I take an elevator to go to main kitchen. found this great write up also Zero Distance for Home Defense....to which I posted the same question. |
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I'm not a SOF sniper, but... heck, I'm not even a veteran... but, I have to disagree with the author's logic on the 100 yard zero, for me.
I shoot a 2 MOA dot on my AR, unmagnified. I have the irons sighted in at 50 yards. Quite frankly, it is about useless for precision work out at 100 yards, because the stock front post is about 6 MOA, best I can figure. Yes, I can try to line up the edges of the front post with the edge of a 6" bull, but really, it isn't going to be very precise with my middle aged eyes' focal depth. The red dot is a lot better, at 2 MOA, and projected forward of the muzzle, since it is closer to being in same focal depth as the target. But any way I calculate it, at 100 yards, that 2 MOA dot is going to be approximately the same size as the amount of hold UNDER you need at 100 to 150 yards. So, it can actually, theoretically, increase my precision, as I can use the top of the dot like a tangential aiming reference for 100 to 150 yards. I SHOULD never be shooting that far, and certainly not further. So, really, all the shots I should ever make as a civilian in self defense should easily be taken care of with a 50 yd zero. Additionally, because of my eyes, I can get a more certain zero at 50 yds than 100. For me, the 50 yd zero is the best option. |
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A most excellent thread!
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Thank you!!!! Just what I needed to zero in my new AR.
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Thank you. I'm using these targets to sight in an ACOG TF-31 at 100 yards.
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For the 25 yard adjusted 50 yard target, you set up the target at 25 yards, fire your group and when hitting dead center in the colored (top) target, you continue to aim at the top target but adjust your optic until your rounds are hitting dead center in the gray (bottom) circle? Then of course you actually verify your zero later with a target placed at 50 yards...right? I just wanted to verify I am reading and deciphering the instructions properly. I am somewhat dense.
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
For the 25 yard adjusted 50 yard target, you set up the target at 25 yards, fire your group and when hitting dead center in the colored (top) target, you continue to aim at the top target but adjust your optic until your rounds are hitting dead center in the gray (bottom) circle? Then of course you actually verify your zero later with a target placed at 50 yards...right? I just wanted to verify I am reading and deciphering the instructions properly. I am somewhat dense. View Quote You are correct. |
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Are there MIL versions of sight-in targets like this somewhere instead of MOA?
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Wow, awesome work! Thank you! This is exactly what I have been looking for. I think this thread is a very good candidate for a sticky.
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Very Nice !!! Thanks.
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For the red-dots, I put a 3" circle of white paper in the center of an 8" black 'Shoot-n-See'. I find the white dot in the black circle much easier to see with a red-dot sight at 50 yds. This is mainly for sighting in. Just range plinking, I use the same target without the added white dot. Red dots on targets are obviously not good for maximum visibility because the sight dot is also red. The targets featured in this thread do not appear to me to be of any particular use - you need a light-colored center that's big enough to easily see at 50 yds through the lens of the red-dot.
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Originally Posted By 1saxman:
For the red-dots, I put a 3" circle of white paper in the center of an 8" black 'Shoot-n-See'. I find the white dot in the black circle much easier to see with a red-dot sight at 50 yds. This is mainly for sighting in. Just range plinking, I use the same target without the added white dot. Red dots on targets are obviously not good for maximum visibility because the sight dot is also red. The targets featured in this thread do not appear to me to be of any particular use - you need a light-colored center that's big enough to easily see at 50 yds through the lens of the red-dot. View Quote they are designed to be shot from 25 yards, you then confirm at 50. try them, it's a way easier and faster method than starting at 50 |
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Thanks for the great targets, these have helped tremendously.
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Very helpful, thank you
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Original post updated adding 25 yard targets for AK-47 rifles for those who shoot commie guns.
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I'm printing a couple of these before going to the range today.
Thanks 383! |
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Thanks OP.
I wish I saw this the other day before guesstimating my zero at 25yd. Bump to the top so other posters can see this and don't have to guesstimate also |
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Thanks to the op for a very helpful thread!!
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Any way of making a series of targets for .308 AR's with optics, or would you use the AK with optics target series since it's a .30 caliber round?
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Scratching my head here, maybe someone can help me out. I downloaded the PDF for the 25 yard adjusted zero target and when I look at the PDF the text is all in gray and the point of aim is red/green as described and the outer hash marks are grey.
But when I print the PDF what comes out of the printer is blue cross hairs, some of the hash marks are grey and some are blue and the point of impact mark is blue. What the heck am I missing here? There's nothing wrong with my printer. |
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Okay I just printed the 50 yard zero target and it looks fine, so I think something is hosed with the 25 yard adjusted zero target for 100 yards. I'd just like it to print looking like the PDF itself looks, so if anyone has any ideas please let me know.
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I sighted in at 25 and was hitting steel at 200 Thank you for these, very helpful
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is it only on my end? but these are no longer working, takes you to a generic looking search engine
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Originally Posted By scott_0:
is it only on my end? but these are no longer working, takes you to a generic looking search engine View Quote I downloaded these PDFs to my iBook last week. |
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The links are all dead now.
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theyre back up!!!
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Thanks OP and Arma Dynamics. Best MOA zero targets I've seen...
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Taking these out to the range next weekend!
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They are dead on. Wife has shot 8 Coyotes DRT on her daily rounds since I sighted her rifle in at 50 Yards. She's a happy camper.
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Is the 50 yard red dot target supposed to only be about 2/3 of a sheet of 8 1/2 x 11? I turned it to no scaling just want to make sure.
Edited to add: I printed at fit to page and the grid measures at .5 inch so I am thinking the instructions are incorrect and you do want to scale and not print to actual size as the grid indicates 2 clicks=1 grid=1 moa=.5" @ 50 yards |
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I printed the arma redot target on black/white and have a hard time seeing black/green/red at 25 yards with EOTech HWS. I can get the dot inside black circle (10MOA) but not quite sure where the dot is inside the black circuit. Is it because of poor lighting or I should have printed it in color. I can't believe people trying to hit this target at 50+ yards without magnification.
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Bump it up
THANKS OP |
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Does anyone have these to re-post? The original links appear to be dead.
thanks in advance |
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New member here trying to study up and learn. Any one know of live links for these files or willing to email copies if I PM you an address?
Thanks all. |
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Originally Posted By mbkintner:
New member here trying to study up and learn. Any one know of live links for these files or willing to email copies if I PM you an address? Thanks all. View Quote There is nothing special about the targets, they just use math to figure out the impact point, given height above bore, muzzle velocity, and the ballistic coefficient of the bullet being used. And unless you are using the exact barrel length, round, and sight height as the target was designed for, it won't be "balls on" accurate anyway. Probably close enough, but my 11.5" with Fusion MSR and a Romeo 5 - is a 50/160 zero. I say make your own |
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Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: To be honest, *for my eyes* the best zeroing target for a Red Dot was taking a 6" paper plate and making a cross on the whole thing with electrical tape. Then either zero POA/POI at distance, or mark where you want the rounds to hit (if doing one of the shorter range type methods) with a paint pen dot after using a ballistic calculator. There is nothing special about the targets, they just use math to figure out the impact point, given height above bore, muzzle velocity, and the ballistic coefficient of the bullet being used. And unless you are using the exact barrel length, round, and sight height as the target was designed for, it won't be "balls on" accurate anyway. Probably close enough, but my 11.5" with Fusion MSR and a Romeo 5 - is a 50/160 zero. I say make your own View Quote |
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