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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Someone Talk Me Into An ACOG (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/25/2010 4:27:42 PM EDT
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If you plan to shoot under 50 yards, don't get an ACOG. You would be better off with an aimpoint and a flip to side 3X magnifier. If you shoot from 50-250 yards most of the time, then a fixed power ACOG is fantastic. They are not good for CQB (under 25 yards) with fixed 3-4X magnification. Unless you spend a ton of money and get the doctor optics red dot on top, or mount a red dot using a 45 degree mount on your rail to use for close up like this...
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For what purpose? doesn't matter - get one they are worth the expense Not really. I love my TA33 for outdoor use, but would never pick one for an indoor/HD rifle. Nor would I put an ACOG on a precision rifle. Dude, that's why I like reading your posts. No BS, straight to the point, and realistic. |
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Depends on the model. You get a 1.5 or 2x compact and they are perfectly fine for close up work - if you can get comfortable with the small lens. Get a LT-105 and they are good to go IMHO.
I see what your saying about the 100-200 yard thing though with the 3-4x models. On a side note, if your LE check with your department to see if magnified optics are even an option with or without special licensing. Shit like that could cramp your style. |
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IMO, the Trijicon TA11 series is one of the finest optics you can put on top of an AR.....I have the 11's, the 33's and the 31's and the 11 by far is my favorite, great eye relief, good balance and not too big.....
I can assure you, you will not regret the purchase. 77 |
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Not really. I love my TA33 for outdoor use, but would never pick one for an indoor/HD rifle. Nor would I put an ACOG on a precision rifle. Why not on a precision rifle? Isn't the acog available with fine crosshair reticles? Certain models are, but 4x (or 5.5x, or 6x even) is not sufficient for precision shooting, where the object is shooting the tiniest groups possible. |
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Not really. I love my TA33 for outdoor use, but would never pick one for an indoor/HD rifle. Nor would I put an ACOG on a precision rifle. Why not on a precision rifle? Isn't the acog available with fine crosshair reticles? If you are using a precision rifle then you are wanting to get the most out of your rifle, ammo and your sight. Fine adjustments with both windage and elevation, not the guesstimate distance and position of the reticle with the ACOG. It's fine for the purpose of a general optic or a SDM optic but for a precision rifle I would not suggest it. To the OP, I have both a Aimpoint T1 and a TA31 ACOG for my personal rifles, for my issue weapon I have access to any following sight (M68, EoTech, and TA01NSN/TA31F). I only use the Aimpoint as my general optic, know your holds. Dependent on your purpose and use the ACOG may be fine but think what you will be doing with your weapon and then tailor it to the mission. |
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I just sold my TA11. It was on my coyote gun. The ACOGs are nice scopes. But, I want every gun I use to be a gun I would pick up if the SHTF. There is no way I would want only a magnified optic on a fighting gun. Instead, I put an Aimpoint T1 and an Aimpoint 3x magnifier on the gun. I am covered for close up work and things farther away.
In my opinion, the ACOGs seem like a good idea when you are fighting a rag tag army at 300 meters that is smart enough not to come any closer. However, if we ever fight a REAL war, an ACOG will be the last thing troops want on their guns. In a war with a modern army as your opponent, you won't have control of the fighting distance or be able to predict it beforehand. Therefore, your gun will need to be optimized for CQB and longer range work. This is where the magnifier makes sense. Pivot it in, pivot it out. Simple. |
| If you aren't put off by the price then go for it! They're not the end all of optic but they really fun to shoot. If you want to shoot man sized targets at various ranges quickly and easily its the way to go. Some of the reticle designs aren't the best for shooting tiny groups, but thats not what its about with the ACOG. I have a TA31F on my carbine, the eye relief is very shot but you get used to it. My dad just put a TA11J on his new LMT (he liked my ACOG so much he just had to get one for himself). Its very easy to get behind and shoot due to the extended eye relief. If you can look though as many different models as possible and decide what you like best. |
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Are they better than a red dot and a 3x mag, and if so, why?
I haven't ever used one, though I've been interested in trying one out. The EOtech + 3x that I have on the LWRC is a nice set up, and lets me shoot better at distance, but I'm willing to try something new. Entice me with the siren's call of the ACOG. What model would be best for a non 5.56 model (my LWRC is 6.8, so I don't want 5.56 range callibration). Thanks, |
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For <200 yard venues, I'd say T-1 w/ a 3X magnifier would be an excellent option. As would the TR24. Nothing wrong with the 33/11 series of ACOG's...but they won't give you the level of performance below 50 yards as the other two options. That said, the ACOG will serve you better outside of 200 yards.
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For what purpose? Range, 50-200 yards. SHTF weapon. I'm 46, I realize it's only a matter of time before optics will be needed. It will go on a build I did, 16 in. barrel, CMMG piston, RRA lower. I think the ACOG excels at shooting minute of man 50-500yrds. The ACOG is rugged as heck, you don't have to worry about batteries, and its one superbly clear optic. It really doesn't excel at shooting CQB though (it can be done but its slooww) I have the TA31F and love it , I can consistently ring a 12x12 plate at 200yrs |
| I've tried the Aimpoints and EOTechs with the magnifier and the TA31 and currently have the TA33G-H. If I want a pure CQB optic or if I didn't need magnification, I'd get an Aimpoint or EOTech. If I want magnification, I'd get an ACOG with the Horseshoe reticle. The ACOG is pretty good for CQB unless there isn't enough light. Outside or in a well lit room, the Horseshoe reticle is like an EOTech. I prefer an ACOG with the horseshoe reticle over the red dot with magnifier for an all purpose/SHTF/Patrol rifle. |
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On a SHTF rifle, I want my rifle to be the best it can be close up as the first priority. Therefore, the Aimpoint wins hands down over the ACOG. Longer range targets are secondary. The magnifier solves this problem.
It is a myth and a fallacy that you can "pick the right tool for the job" because YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHERE THE THREAT WILL APPEAR. Therefore, your fighting gun must be able to handle all ranges. |
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I have the TA11F on my POF, at 50-200 yards it's great. The quality is really apparent, and it's good for any time of the day.
I had an EoTech 512 on my H&K USC/UMP carbine, it's great out to 50 yards or so but beyond that the reticle gets pretty big against your target. Also, I took mine to the range once and the batteries died, which pretty much made the gun useless (yeah, I should pack batteries). I bought the ACOG because it's good enough up close, and really great at ranges where you don't have to be on a bipod. That, and it always works (i.e. no batteries). If you're pricing them, look at the deal from LaRue with their mounts, you can buy both the optic and the mount at once and save a few $$$. |
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An ACOG was the first optic I bought and I regretted buying it. It's not very good for self defense use because of the magnification and eye relief issues, but there are cheaper options for target shooting/hunting.
They're great for soldiers who might actually have to shoot at people past 100m, but not so much for me. |
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On a SHTF rifle, I want my rifle to be the best it can be close up as the first priority. Therefore, the Aimpoint wins hands down over the ACOG. Longer range targets are secondary. The magnifier solves this problem. It is a myth and a fallacy that you can "pick the right tool for the job" because YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHERE THE THREAT WILL APPEAR. Therefore, your fighting gun must be able to handle all ranges. Pretty much my thoughts I had an ACOG and there awesome scopes... but for what I need... just not the right tool for me... I live in a 200 meter world and I do not need to be shooting out past that range... and if for some reason I do... I CAN do it with a red dot.. like anything.. you have to pick the right tool for the job... lots of folks choose magnification more for a crutch then because it's the right tool for them... folks are like electricity and will take the path of least resistance.... especially with firearms.... why do you think there is such a huge market for all the bolt on doo dad's...?? |
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Are they better than a red dot and a 3x mag, and if so, why? I haven't ever used one, though I've been interested in trying one out. The EOtech + 3x that I have on the LWRC is a nice set up, and lets me shoot better at distance, but I'm willing to try something new. Entice me with the siren's call of the ACOG. What model would be best for a non 5.56 model (my LWRC is 6.8, so I don't want 5.56 range callibration). Thanks, It depends on what ammo you are running in your 6.8. For my 12.5 SBR hog rig [Noveske 1:12", SPC-II] with the smokin' hot 85 TSX TL's from SSA at a legitimate 2900 FPS MV, the 5.56 calibration is actually quite close out to my maximum intended range of 300y; the combination drops like a rock after that. I run an 11J on that gun, and love it. Chrono your system, run the ballistcs calcs, and best match the available ACOG calibrations.....you might be surprised. |
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To add the other rule to SHTF weapons - Target identification. I dont care what your range or need - you first have to identify your threat and the ACOG works well for that. It also makes a great spotters tool allowing you to range distance roughly...... If the threat is far enough away that I need magnification to ID it.... then guess what??? it's not a threat to me..... Not an issue where I live.... Now if I had a ranch in Montana... or AZ.. then I would probably run a ACOG.... again, right tool for the right job... |
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I guess you would wait for the bullet to fly past your head to determine whether or not it's a threat 
Seriously, with no mag in an open battlefield, any yahoo with a hunting rifle and a crappy 3-9x has a leg up on you. It is the shooter not the weapon or equipment that makes him a good shooter, a weak shooter with a magnified optic will still be a weak shooter at the days end. |
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I guess you would wait for the bullet to fly past your head to determine whether or not it's a threat
Seriously, with no mag in an open battlefield, any yahoo with a hunting rifle and a crappy 3-9x has a leg up on you. It is the shooter not the weapon or equipment that makes him a good shooter, a weak shooter with a magnified optic will still be a weak shooter at the days end. Semantics. As far as the red dot ON the ACOG, it's personal pref, but I'd rather have a Jpoint/similar mounted at a 45* off of the rail rather than on top of the ACOG. |
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Here are links to some other recent threads which may be of interest:
Compact ACOG? Are they as good as full size ACOG? The new mini-acogs ACOG Question I'm eager to try out the 1.5x models... |
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