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Posted: 6/21/2010 4:25:21 PM EDT
| Anybody ever use these clones how do they compair to Primary Arms?http://rrages.com/aimpoint/index.htm |
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Quoted: Why not buy from Primary? Cheaper and pages of positive buyers and great information. Or, if you're going to spend over $100, which you are if you want anything other than a low mount, why not just order a Vortex Strikefire and get the lifetime warranty and the fact that it is waterproof and fog proof. For $150 shipped from Optics Planet, they're a great deal. Especially compared to the no warranty product you're looking at. |
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don't be cheap. buy the real thing Thousands upon thousands of people disagree with you. I don't need 10 years of battery life and waterproofing to 60 meters on my .22 plinker. Therefore a PA/clone suits my needs just fine. I have Eos and AP's, but thanks for calling me cheap! 
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| well I can see buying the real thing if you are going to use it all the time in combat or just about everyday use. I am not going to use it enough or in combat to justify paying several hundred dollars for one, I'll mainly use it for hunting deer, hog, and coyotes. So I can't see paying that much to use it about 20 times a year. Most people don't need the real thing they just want to keep up with the next guy, I don't need to or care to impress anyone, I just want something that'll serve my purpose without breaking the bank. |
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don't be cheap. buy the real thing  Not everyone needs a $500 Aimpoint. I've seen the better clones (Primary Arms) hold up great in matches, even riding on hard recoiling .308 rifles. I promise you there are clones out there that are taking and surviving more abuse than many mall ninjas put their real Aimpoints through.
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don't be cheap. buy the real thing Not everyone needs a $500 Aimpoint. I've seen the better clones (Primary Arms) hold up great in matches, even riding on hard recoiling .308 rifles. I promise you there are clones out there that are taking and surviving more abuse than many mall ninjas put their real Aimpoints through.Mall ninjas! I like that, thats how I feel.LOL |
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Those look like the one's from Primary arms, if they are the same or not , I don't know. Either way I recommend buying from Marshall.
He is a sight sponsor, and I have personally done business w/ him since. 100% positive experience. I recently ran one of the ultimak / micro combos through an AK class on my 7.62 Saiga, with 0 failures. I generally tell anyone who asks about them, that they are perfectly fine to run while you are saving up for the real aimpoint......................... |
| Look closer they arent the same, they don't have the reticle knob on the side to change it from the four that PA offer, also the housing is a little different they are a lot closer looking to the real Aimpioint. Just wondering has anyone used them or what they know about the company. |
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All you can tell from those photos is that it's apparently an airsoft toy optic that looks like an aimpoint. who knows how many different chinese toy makers use that same body with potentially different optics and electronics? All whois shows for them is a foreign web registration company and they have no contact information beyond an e-mail address [email protected]. No name, other than George, no address, no phone number. Probably because Troy and some others would love to sue him for selling counterfiets |
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Look closer they arent the same, they don't have the reticle knob on the side to change it from the four that PA offer, also the housing is a little different they are a lot closer looking to the real Aimpioint. Just wondering has anyone used them or what they know about the company. We have a single dot model that is very similar in looks and does not have the multi reticle knob. Link below. If you just want it to look like a Aimpoint throw a genuine Aimpoint cover on it. LINK |
In related news, since i'm not a race car driver, I bought a 1992 ford tarus and threw a Chevry Corvette ZO6 emblem on the side. Looks slick, turns through corners just the same and accelerates pretty nice compared to the "real" thing. Man am I glad I didn't get suckered into paying top dollar for the real deal when this is just as nice. Those suckers who buy the real thing are missing out. I actually think i'm going to start trying to get the "real" z06 guys to switch to the "clone" so that I don't feel so foolish. Oh, and it holds zero like crazy!
Serioulsy...buy what you can afford, but don't give people the satisfaction of having an EXCUSS. If you buy generic soda, then enjoy it and be done with it..don't stand there trying to make me believe why it's such a great choice. It's all economics, and nothing to do with performance. Get real. |
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Look closer they arent the same, they don't have the reticle knob on the side to change it from the four that PA offer, also the housing is a little different they are a lot closer looking to the real Aimpioint. Just wondering has anyone used them or what they know about the company. We have a single dot model that is very similar in looks and does not have the multi reticle knob. Link below. If you just want it to look like a Aimpoint throw a genuine Aimpoint cover on it. LINK Why even recommend wasting money on a "real" cover...just tell him to buy a FAKE cover that says aimpoint. You guys crack me up to no end....call a spade a spade when it's due people. Apparently the primary arms thingy is an AWESOME fake. It's a great representation of what a $500 optic looks like when it's made in an alley way. But it's no more a close copy than a ford mustang is a copy of a ferrari other than they both have 4 wheels |
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These are not clones, they are replicas.
PA makes clones of Aimpoints. They have QA and assembly proceedures which make sure the optic's electronics can be mounted on a real firearm. The body is then designed to minic a high end optic for aesthetics. Replicas have QA and assembly proceedures to make sure the body has the same appearance of a real high end optic. The electronics are only there for looks when it is turned on. Replicas value the "look" while Clones value the function. PA could build a Clone of a Aimpoint T1 that is just as rugged as the real thing and is just as good...and they would have to charge the same price as a real one to recover the cost in making it. anytime you are dealing with Airsoft, you are dealing with replicas, the value is in "looks". |
I wouldn't give it a second thought.....buy the Primary Arms. Proven reliability by MANY members here (tough crowd), warranty, incredibly fast shipping, everybody knows where to find Marsh  , and he makes no bones about what his product is and can do.
The other one leads off with "AIMPOINT CLONE!!!". Nowhere in PA's description does it even mention Aimpoint, just "M3 Type". Kinda like "Gunz-R-Us" advertising "NOVESKE CLONES", and an honest company just saying "AR15-Type". Big difference. |
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I wouldn't give it a second thought.....buy the Primary Arms. Proven reliability by MANY members here (tough crowd), warranty, incredibly fast shipping, everybody knows where to find Marsh , and he makes no bones about what his product is and can do.
The other one leads off with "AIMPOINT CLONE!!!". Nowhere in PA's description does it even mention Aimpoint, just "M3 Type". Kinda like "Gunz-R-Us" advertising "NOVESKE CLONES", and an honest company just saying "AR15-Type". Big difference. I beg to differ - if they cared about being different, it wouldn't LOOK like any trademarked items....it would look like their own design. Just call a spade a spade...and stop coming up with excuses....especially making crap up about clones vs replicas vs airsoft...it's all BS and you know it :) enjoy your fake rolex while I enjoy my real one... |
| It looks like some people have anger issues they need to work out. Or they just realized they paid sevral hundred more than they shuld have. I think alot of people buy the high end stuff not cause they use it daily in thier work or in combat but just to compensate for something. I don't have to pay high price to impress anyone and I wont. I have BSA scopes on my rifles for years and never have had a problem but on this site more and more people bad mouth them and call them junk, I myself and my family that use BSA have never had a problem with thier products they perform just as good as the higher end stuff. However anything man made you will get a bad one know and then, nothing is 100% perfect every time. I also know that there is just palin junk out there and that is what I am on the look out for. If I had the money I'd buy a AIMPOINT and PA and compair the two and put them through thier paces, I bet youd be suprised at the out come. |
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Quoted: Don't be ridiculous, PA 's optics aren"t 'clones" either. They're just chinese red dots that look kinda like aimpointsThese are not clones, they are replicas. PA makes clones of Aimpoints. They have QA and assembly proceedures which make sure the optic's electronics can be mounted on a real firearm. The body is then designed to minic a high end optic for aesthetics. Replicas have QA and assembly proceedures to make sure the body has the same appearance of a real high end optic. The electronics are only there for looks when it is turned on. Replicas value the "look" while Clones value the function. PA could build a Clone of a Aimpoint T1 that is just as rugged as the real thing and is just as good...and they would have to charge the same price as a real one to recover the cost in making it. anytime you are dealing with Airsoft, you are dealing with replicas, the value is in "looks". |
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Quoted: It looks like some people have anger issues they need to work out. Or they just realized they paid sevral hundred more than they shuld have. I think alot of people buy the high end stuff not cause they use it daily in thier work or in combat but just to compensate for something. I don't have to pay high price to impress anyone and I wont. I have BSA scopes on my rifles for years and never have had a problem but on this site more and more people bad mouth them and call them junk, I myself and my family that use BSA have never had a problem with thier products they perform just as good as the higher end stuff. However anything man made you will get a bad one know and then, nothing is 100% perfect every time. I also know that there is just palin junk out there and that is what I am on the look out for. If I had the money I'd buy a AIMPOINT and PA and compair the two and put them through thier paces, I bet youd be suprised at the out come. I used to buy cheap optics like you still do. They were a waste of money. I had Tasco, BSA, cheapo Bushnell scopes etc. Not a single one of them is still on a firearm. They don't track properly, don't hold zero, let water in etc. My BSA would not hold zero under magnum loads, it's in a box in the cellar somewhere (or maybe I threw it in the woods behind the range) Aimpoints are high quality optics that last a long time and stand up to abuse, they are well worth the money. I have actual experience with them, you don't. Don't start with throwing around insults about "people compensating for something" just because you cannot afford higher priced optics. At least the Primary Arms scope is sold by someone with an actual address, plus it's cheaper http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=18&categoryId=5 If all you want is a red dot, and you are confident of lower priced optics why not get another BSA? http://swfa.com/BSA-Red-Dot-42mm-Scope-P4192.aspx I think this is the same thing, it's usually cheaper than BSA, if you look around elsewhere http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/fm-optics-1x-mini-micro-red-dot-sight-matte-black.aspx?a=593442 |
| I just bought the Primary Arms Comp M4 on Sunday got it Wednesday. It is well built, great instructions, I will be going to the range Saturday! I bought because of the reviews here, I can't spend the money on a "real one". This will do me just fine. Next month I will buy the 3X magnifyer for it. Great service, great product. Got it mounted and paper sighted today. I was suprised when I mounted it it lines up almost exactly with mu BUIS!!! |
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Don't be ridiculous, PA 's optics aren"t 'clones" either. They're just chinese red dots that look kinda like aimpoints
These are not clones, they are replicas. PA makes clones of Aimpoints. They have QA and assembly proceedures which make sure the optic's electronics can be mounted on a real firearm. The body is then designed to minic a high end optic for aesthetics. Replicas have QA and assembly proceedures to make sure the body has the same appearance of a real high end optic. The electronics are only there for looks when it is turned on. Replicas value the "look" while Clones value the function. PA could build a Clone of a Aimpoint T1 that is just as rugged as the real thing and is just as good...and they would have to charge the same price as a real one to recover the cost in making it. anytime you are dealing with Airsoft, you are dealing with replicas, the value is in "looks". I see what you are saying Aimless, but the fact remains Replicas are made for looks, this is Airsoft and wall hangers for the lobby. Clones are actual low cost optics. Chi-com manufacturers make both types. Replicas are made by fly by night companies and reputable companys like Leapers make both clones and cheap optics. I had a cheap leapers 4X on a mini14 for over 2K rounds...a replica ACOG will not last 30. I have bought Replica optics for the lobby wall hangers and have mounted them before hand. There is a big dam difference. Spend the $25 in an Airsoft store and experiment. You will agree when you pull the trigger the third time and the glass falls out....Replicas for Airsoft and Clones for real firearms are two different things. I have never heard of a PA falling apart on the first mag ...I am sure at some point it will...as will any cheap real firearm optic. |
| For me............and only me. This decision comes down to whether or not I can ultimately trust my life with it. I purchased my AR and AK not to just have fun every once in a while plinking at the farm, I bought them to protect my family in case the SHTF. That being the case, I want something I can trust to perform when I need it to. At least that's what I told myself when I spent the extra $$$ |
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For me............and only me. This decision comes down to whether or not I can ultimately trust my life with it. I purchased my AR and AK not to just have fun every once in a while plinking at the farm, I bought them to protect my family in case the SHTF. That being the case, I want something I can trust to perform when I need it to. At least that's what I told myself when I spent the extra $$$ You didnt spend any extra money. Aimpoints cost what they cost. Thats what you tell the wife when she sees the invoice. Extra $$$ in my book is when I see someone selling an Aimpoint for $1200.00 on Gunbroker....then you can ask, why the extra $$$. |
| Look, a Primary Arms red dot beats iron sights any day of the week. I am not an operator or in the military, therefor I will need need to subject my optics to the harshest conditions on the planet. Truth be told my optic will be sitting a gun case in an air conditioned home 99% of the time. I see no reason why I should spend $500-$700 for an Aimpoint when a PA red dot will get the job done, and is reliable enough to trust my life to for home defense. |
| I'm starting to come around on this line of thinking. I built my AR to be "no compromises" because I am fortunate enough to have the expendable income to do so. I plan on buying an Eotech or ACOG in the future, but I honestly do not need a high priced optic. The low priced vs. mil-spec optic debate shouldn't come down to the question of "Can I afford a mil-spec optic?"; the real question should be "Can I afford to have a low priced optic fail?". I can readily admit, that I will never be anything more than a range commando, so a failure will not cost me anything more than a little embarrasment. I'm sure that I will eventually purchase an Eotech or ACOG, but I might buy a PA to play around with in the meantime. I have plnty of other guns that I can use it on later. |
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Quoted: I'm starting to come around on this line of thinking. I built my AR to be "no compromises" because I am fortunate enough to have the expendable income to do so. I plan on buying an Eotech or ACOG in the future, but I honestly do not need a high priced optic. The low priced vs. mil-spec optic debate shouldn't come down to the question of "Can I afford a mil-spec optic?"; the real question should be "Can I afford to have a low priced optic fail?". I can readily admit, that I will never be anything more than a range commando, so a failure will not cost me anything more than a little embarrasment. I'm sure that I will eventually purchase an Eotech or ACOG, but I might buy a PA to play around with in the meantime. I have plnty of other guns that I can use it on later. My line of thinking as well. I have good scopes, but for range toys I don't feel the need to spend $500. Now there is definitely something to be said for avoiding complete crap from random importers - especially when they blatantly violate trademark infringement laws. Personally, I bought one of Primary Arms' M4 clones based on the positive reviews from fellow Arfcom members and the customer service that MARSH1 is providing in case something goes wrong. |
| OK scopes that are made cheaper than most like BSA, SIMMONS, and well some others are using what the high end makers used a few years ago. Some people were willing to dump a lot of money on them but now that the technology has changed they think its no good. Well just check some of the cheaper scopes use older technology thanks to some people others don't have to pay high price for them now. I hear a lot on here about warranty, well BSA has a lifetime warranty so if you have a problem with it send it back, or did that escape somebodies attention. I don't knock any brand and I didn't say I couldn't afford it. I SAID I CAN'T JUSTIFY PAYING THAT MUCH NO MORE THAN I'LL USE IT! |
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well I can see buying the real thing if you are going to use it all the time in combat or just about everyday use. I am not going to use it enough or in combat to justify paying several hundred dollars for one, I'll mainly use it for hunting deer, hog, and coyotes. So I can't see paying that much to use it about 20 times a year. Most people don't need the real thing they just want to keep up with the next guy, I don't need to or care to impress anyone, I just want something that'll serve my purpose without breaking the bank. Then buy want you want.. stop looking for absolution over your decision....from strangers on the internet.... |
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