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Posted: 3/30/2010 11:36:46 AM EDT
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR.
I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight. As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New |
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I used an Aimpoint in Afghan and switched to an EOTech when I went to Iraq and wish I had used the EOTech all along I like it much more then the Aimpoint.
Do not get me wrong the aimpoint served me well worked well and never gave me one problem I just prefer the EOTech. Like you said it did give me faster target acquisition. I think Optics was one of the greatest thing we had and was a huge force multiplier. Lots of the guys used EOTechs and Aimpoints it was really a split but some used the ACOG which is nice but I never liked. If I need magnification I would switch to my M40A3 
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Are you saying that the aimpoint slows you down in real life or in a video game?
If in real life an aimpoint slows you down with target acquisition, I dont think an eotech will help much more. I find I am much faster with the single dot of the aimpoint over the 65 moa circle of the eotech. As far as target acquisition, I have not found anything that is faster than my T1, of course YMMV. |
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR. I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight. As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New no offense, but you don't "find" anything. video games do not equal real life in any way... that said, your best bet is to read some threads in the optics forum, decide on a price range, and try to beg or borrow your way into spending some time behind the glass you think you'll like. in the end, you still may end up buying twice as more hours behind something in the real-world may make some shortcomings obvious. regarding actual use, i find my eye looks for the dot, so the ring-around-the-dot of the eotech does nothing for me, at the cost of a sight with a dedicated mount that is *slightly* less durable and waterproof (and when i say slightly, even the guys that acutally beat the crap out of their gear never really notice a difference). the big bonus of the aimpoints is the absurd battery life, though the eotechs are catching up... |
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Are you saying that the aimpoint slows you down in real life or in a video game? If in real life an aimpoint slows you down with target acquisition, I dont think an eotech will help much more. I find I am much faster with the single dot of the aimpoint over the 65 moa circle of the eotech. As far as target acquisition, I have not found anything that is faster than my T1, of course YMMV. I am just saying it is matter of preference. What works for one person works different for another. In a video game it is not real life. I like the 65MOA ring and the 1MOA dot in the center. I am sure others will prefer another setup. Aimpoint does not have a relief like a scope does I think is what you guys are getting at. |
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Having owned and shot with them both, there really isn't a speed difference worth noting. However, I do find I could shoot more accurately with the 1moa dot in the middle of the EOTech than with the 4moa dot of the Aimpoint.
Both are 'heads up' sights that you should use with both eyes open. |
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Are you saying that the aimpoint slows you down in real life or in a video game? If in real life an aimpoint slows you down with target acquisition, I dont think an eotech will help much more. I find I am much faster with the single dot of the aimpoint over the 65 moa circle of the eotech. As far as target acquisition, I have not found anything that is faster than my T1, of course YMMV. I am just saying it is matter of preference. What works for one person works different for another. In a video game it is not real life. I like the 65MOA ring and the 1MOA dot in the center. I am sure others will prefer another setup. Aimpoint does not have a relief like a scope does I think is what you guys are getting at. I agree totally. When it comes to "which red dot" questions it really boils down to personal preference. OP: Go to your local gun store/next show and try out different optics by looking through them. |
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No I understand that there is a difference between real life and the video game. I was just trying to gauge the accuracy of the game with the various optics.
I find with the halo sights, I focus more on the sights than the target. There is also a lot of iron in front of the target which impedes target acquisition. This I can verify with my DD XVM4. I find with the aimpoint, whether in the game or holding it, I can't get past trying to use it like a hunting scope with one eye closed. It seemed to me that the clear optic area around the red dot is smaller so I tend to focus more on trying to acquire the dot than the target. The Eotech seemed pretty cool to me. I have never had an optic nor do I know of anyone with them so I am limited to holding them at arm's length and trying to guess which would be best. New |
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Owner of a comp m2 and an eotech 512 for hunting & general use purposes..
I don't do competitive shooting, I'm not an *operator*, this is my take on your options: Regarding batteries: Aimpoint smokes the shit out of eotech for battery life. Even when you try to get down to the justification of "Oh well it takes more common AA batteries". I've gone through 3 sets of Eotech batteries in 3 years, only 1 set on the aimpoint (orig set ran for 2 years on that, and it was left on in the safe a LOT, but not the entire time). Aimpoint wins. Regarding ease of use: I like the way the aimpoint power knob work. Eotech is a LITTLE more of a pain in the ass because you have to mash buttons to up the brightness, where the aimpoint you just turn the dial (mine is marked w/ paint) and you are ready to go. Aimpoint wins. Fast shots: The eotech reticle is a lot faster to find and swing on an animal than the aimpoint is. BUT.. when I am up close on smaller targets, sometimes it's easy to get lost in the reticle because there's a lot happening inside that window. But once again, if you are shooting at larger targets for defensive purposes, getting on target first wins. Draw here. Mounting: Larue makes excellent mounts for either, it's a draw here. Sight Picture: Eotech gives you a bit more of a sight picture. For me, with both eyes open it is a little easier to focus with the eotech, my eyes seem to get confused when I look through the aimpoint. But that could be just me, so a moot point for the most part. Regarding the reticle: This is where for me, eotech takes the cake. For hunting I like to zero @ 50yds.. Holding (ON) inside 200ish yards will give me about a 5" spread MAX on either the aimpoint or the eotech.. but when I'm shooting up close (5-25yds) or beyond 200yds, the 65MOA star at least gives you a lower reference point to split for where to put your shots, where the aimpoint doesn't. You can make good shots just eyeballing the holdover, but it's easier when you have some reference point. Some people could say this a complete bullshit justification, but for me it makes a difference when the shots need to be slower and accurate versus just quick reaction center mass shots. Center mass on a person is a bit different, but coyotes/foxes/rabbits etc. it helps. |
| One thing I dont get is how every always talks about how great Aimpoint is on batteries. The military M68 version must not be made the same as the civilian version cause thats one of the biggest complaints I get in the repair shop is of th need to take spare batteries out cause they wont last more than a few days. |
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR. I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight.[/span] As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New no offense, but you don't "find" anything. video games do not equal real life in any way... that said, your best bet is to read some threads in the optics forum, decide on a price range, and try to beg or borrow your way into spending some time behind the glass you think you'll like. in the end, you still may end up buying twice as more hours behind something in the real-world may make some shortcomings obvious. regarding actual use, i find my eye looks for the dot, so the ring-around-the-dot of the eotech does nothing for me, at the cost of a sight with a dedicated mount that is *slightly* less durable and waterproof (and when i say slightly, even the guys that acutally beat the crap out of their gear never really notice a difference). the big bonus of the aimpoints is the absurd battery life, though the eotechs are catching up... Please explain this comment, i find it very untrue considering numerous leo's/corporations/schools/military use simulators in training. a simulator is a glorified video game. |
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR. I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight.[/span] As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New no offense, but you don't "find" anything. [span style='color: red;']video games do not equal real life in any way...[/span] that said, your best bet is to read some threads in the optics forum, decide on a price range, and try to beg or borrow your way into spending some time behind the glass you think you'll like. in the end, you still may end up buying twice as more hours behind something in the real-world may make some shortcomings obvious. regarding actual use, i find my eye looks for the dot, so the ring-around-the-dot of the eotech does nothing for me, at the cost of a sight with a dedicated mount that is *slightly* less durable and waterproof (and when i say slightly, even the guys that acutally beat the crap out of their gear never really notice a difference). the big bonus of the aimpoints is the absurd battery life, though the eotechs are catching up... Please explain this comment, i find it very untrue considering numerous leo's/corporations/schools/military use simulators in training. a simulator is a glorified video game. 
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I find with the aimpoint, whether in the game or holding it, I can't get past trying to use it like a hunting scope with one eye closed. It seemed to me that the clear optic area around the red dot is smaller so I tend to focus more on trying to acquire the dot than the target.
Try putting the dust cap on the front and keeping both eyes open. |
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR. I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight. As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New Aimpoints and Eotechs are both fast target acquisition sights, if your Aimpoint slows you down in a video game, then it's probably a good indicator that the game isn't very accurate. |
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I have both and I am torn.
I have a T1 and it is neat but the field of view is not as nice as my 552 or XPS. I pick up the circle and dot better and line up fast on targets using the EOTECH and for up close work the circle is great for placing center of mass shots quickly. When shooting and moving the holografic sight of the EOTECH seems more stable. The T1 is a nice small package, but the lenses are pretty exposed to getting whacked on items on your belt or vest. For longer distances the single red dot may be a better for some. The battery life lasts a long time. The xps would be my favorite if I knew I would always have a source for batteries and to be fair if you turn off the unit between uses it will last for a long long time. EH?! I dont know get both or look at both and see what you think. Both are faster than irons. |
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I am looking for a red dot sight for my AR. I have been playing call of duty with my son and there are different guns that you can use....some with halo iron sights, Eotech, and Aimpoint style. As absurd as it seems, I like the Eotech style but I am not sure whether the game is accurate as to what you get with the Eotech. I find that the aimpoint slows down the target acquisition time as I try to use it more like a deer hunting scope. I want more of a heads up sight. As absurd as this is, I am just wondering how accurate that is to real life when using an eotech. New there is no aimpoint in MW2... I believe you are referring to the ACOG. The red dot is like the trijicon red dot sights, and the EOTech is given by name. If theres something you would like to see in real life, go to a gun store and ask around. I REALLY like the EOTechs and will be getting one for my SBR |
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I have seen enough battery failure in my time to recomend you check the Trijicon Reflex as well when you make your gun store visit. RX01 smaller and lighter or RX30.
i have been using a RX01 for over 10 years and it is great. no wash out issues, no batteries and extremely rugged and not prone to any temperature issues. Batteries have a tendency to both bake and freeze. |
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I have both and prefer the reticle on my Eotech. However I prefer the battery life, weight/size, and ruggedness of my Aimpoint. Same here..I Have an Aimpoint Comp M3, a few Micro T1's and an EOTech XPS. I love the sight picture of the EOtech but I feel it's a little bulky. After shooting with the Aimpoint for awhile, you'll learn to utilize it properly and not like a scoped optic. |
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