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3/14/2010 3:31:30 PM EDT
I freely admit that IDKS,but a thought occurred to me about running dual optics.

All the set ups I've seen have had the magnified scope as the primary,with a red dot hanging in the air somewhere.

This seems to be contrary to the purpose of the red dot, which is speed on fleeting and moving targets.

Perhaps a better arrangement would be using the red dot as the primary sight and thus optimizing the weapon for close and fast (and DEADLY)engagements.

But what about the magnified scope?In my view,the ability to use magnification implies somewhat more time and distance,so we accept a less optimal solution:canting.

Since the AR is essentially a tube you can maintain cheek-weld even while the rifle is canted(G.David Tubb deliberately cant his sights to allow better position shooting).

This would seem to offer a better trade off:the CCO is set up for jump shooting,whilst the mag scope-which doesn't need to be a vari-X or have a lit reticle now-can be used

effectively to the far end of the rifle's effective range.


3/14/2010 3:56:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Most people are right handed.  If you put a scope at the 1 O'clock position and mounted it off your rails, it would get in the way of your ejecting brass and cause issues.

Most people shooting scopes for long range, do this because they want to engage targets over 200 yards.   A backup red dot is only there for emergency and unforseen CQB engagements..

If you want something in the middle, you can get a scope that does 1-4 or 1-6 power.  At 1X you can engage targets up close like a red dot, and at 4-6X, you can hit targers out to 400-500 yards.
3/14/2010 4:12:04 PM EDT
[#2]
If you are going into a potential CQb situation, cant. Since the red dot has no parallax error, it's a much simpler solution to mount offset. Magnified optics require consistent cheek weld.
3/14/2010 4:59:33 PM EDT
[#3]
You mean a bit like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA
3/14/2010 6:19:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
You mean a bit like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA




Wow.
3/14/2010 9:12:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
You mean a bit like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA




Wow.


"wow" doesn't quite get the job done.......  that shit was the shit.
3/14/2010 9:51:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You mean a bit like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA




Wow.


"wow" doesn't quite get the job done.......  that shit was the shit.


"that shit was the shit" doesnt quite get the job done......that video should have a NC-17 warning and a similar warning like the Viagra has.....if erection lasts for more than 6 hrs. please contact medical attention.

On a serious note, i thought the whole "canting" of the actual weapon would be at least a learning curve to it, if not a no go all together for me......i was mistaken now that i have been fooling ard. with the T-1 in Larue offset i picked up. Mine isnt at the rear like the mini reflex is on Jerry's gun in the video but i bet the way i have to "cant" the weapon and the overall fluidity of it looks similar to the videos.(Note..def. not saying i can shoot like him for sure, just that the actual motion of the firearm and such is similar)

3/15/2010 3:28:43 AM EDT
[#7]
The view through the RDS on the falling steel was fraking AWESOME.
3/15/2010 4:01:05 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
You mean a bit like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwDCbybnCA


For a closer look at his set-up go to Gun Talk TV
On the right hand column under "Instruction" choose "Rifle" then "AR-15" and click the free video called "How a Champion Sets Up His AR-15"
3/15/2010 4:28:58 AM EDT
[#9]


Kruger

There are some new ideas coming...
3/15/2010 8:18:05 AM EDT
[#10]
Well I'm with Jerry..........





I used to have the dot mounted on top of the scope and also tried it on the scope tube at 1 o'clock, but a desire to get it as close to the bore as possible lead me to settle for a handguard mount. Good thing is that you use the same cheekweld, don't even change head position, just rotate the gun slightly depending which sight you want to use. Works well for me.
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