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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LETS SEE SOME PICS OF YOUR CLONES (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/9/2009 1:20:41 AM EDT
| I know this is an un usual request but what the hell lol |
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Real Aimpoint Micro H-1 on LaRue. Fake Aimpoint Magnifier. <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1763/dscn1376small.jpg</a> <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6403/dscn1377small.jpg</a> I was thinking about putting together a similiar setup (magnifier for range use, but removed for storage/SHTF). How's the eye relief for "nose to the charing handle" type shooting, and what brand is the knockoff magnifier? |
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Real Aimpoint Micro H-1 on LaRue. Fake Aimpoint Magnifier. <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1763/dscn1376small.jpg</a> <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6403/dscn1377small.jpg</a> Are you busting up and sending in your magnifier's ARMS mount to LaRue for a "replacement"? |
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Real Aimpoint Micro H-1 on LaRue. Fake Aimpoint Magnifier. <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1763/dscn1376small.jpg</a> <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6403/dscn1377small.jpg</a> Are you busting up and sending in your magnifier's ARMS mount to LaRue for a "replacement"? He'd have to be completely retarded NOT to. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Real Aimpoint Micro H-1 on LaRue. Fake Aimpoint Magnifier. <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1763/dscn1376small.jpg</a> <a href="http://www.imagehosting.com/" target="_blank">http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6403/dscn1377small.jpg</a> Are you busting up and sending in your magnifier's ARMS mount to LaRue for a "replacement"? He'd have to be completely retarded NOT to. Assuming it's a REAL ARMS mount, though... |
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Clones?
Clones are copies of the real thing. China takes an real product and makes a clone of it for rip-offs to sell on ebay to fools that buy them thinking they are real. Too many clones around here, fake Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, Leupolds and many others. If I had one I sure wouldn't be proud enough of it to post a picture. Here's a clone for you....have fun. 
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The ARMS was fake as well.
I bought the magnifier clone to try out the "magnifier thing" and see if I liked it before I dropped the big bucks on a real one. Turns out that I didn't really like it at all. I've since sold the magnifier clone (with full disclosure of course) to someone else who wanted to try one out as well. The eye relief was just fine for the nose to charging handle position for me. What I didn't like about it was not just the extra weight that it added to that otherwise pretty lightweight rifle, but that it significantly raised the center of gravity of the rifle making it feel very top heavy. I didn't like the new handling characteristics. I found that I actually shot better with the Micro unmagnified at a given distance than with the magnifier in place. The magnifier turned the Micro's dot into an oblong splotch. I also didn't like the handling of the rifle with the magnifier swung out to the side. I'm sticking with my Micros for general use and if I want a magnified set-up, I'm strongly considering one of those Trijicon Accupoints. I'd like to put one of these on that Middy pictured above. |
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I have 2 of the SPOT Mark III red dots on range guns and have never a problem with anyone of them. Are they as good as my Aimpoints? No, but for what they cost and what I use them for, they work great. , But for my next low cost red dots I will be looking at the new Primary Arms stuff. They look good and have read only good things about them and there customer service. |
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Clones? Clones are copies of the real thing. China takes an real product and makes a clone of it for rip-offs to sell on ebay to fools that buy them thinking they are real. Too many clones around here, fake Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, Leupolds and many others. If I had one I sure wouldn't be proud enough of it to post a picture. Here's a clone for you....have fun. http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dollytheclonedsheep.jpg So, how does it feel to be so damn superior? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Clones? Clones are copies of the real thing. China takes an real product and makes a clone of it for rip-offs to sell on ebay to fools that buy them thinking they are real. Too many clones around here, fake Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, Leupolds and many others. If I had one I sure wouldn't be proud enough of it to post a picture. Here's a clone for you....have fun. http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dollytheclonedsheep.jpg So, how does it feel to be so damn superior? It's pretty awesome. Now where are my grapes?  |
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Clones? Clones are copies of the real thing. China takes an real product and makes a clone of it for rip-offs to sell on ebay to fools that buy them thinking they are real. Too many clones around here, fake Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, Leupolds and many others. If I had one I sure wouldn't be proud enough of it to post a picture. Here's a clone for you....have fun. http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dollytheclonedsheep.jpg So, how does it feel to be so damn superior? It's not that at all. I think supporting the companies that produce the real one is important. The clones made in china are hurting companies that put in the time and money to design, test and build a superiour product. Then one goes to china and clones are made. They aren't real clones, just cheaply made look alikes. What would you use if there were no chinese imports of cloned (copied) optics? I'll go with the real deal or I'll go without. I'm not rich, infact I'm not even working right now but I'm not buying a chinese made clone to save a buck. Cloned optics is the topic here. Not all cheap chinese made optics, that's another subject. Cloning the look of a real optic such as an Aimpoint is wrong IMO. Hell we even have a few threads around here to show how to tell the difference so people don't get ripped off. How many people buy those on ebay thinking that they have the real deal? It doesn't hold up or work as well and they blame Aimpoint and never buy another Aimpoint product. Aimpoint misses out on the first sale and furture sales as well. It's not right. I used Aimpoint as just one example, there are many cloned optics from china out there. |
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It's not that at all. I think supporting the companies that produce the real one is important. The clones made in china are hurting companies that put in the time and money to design, test and build a superiour product. Then one goes to china and clones are made. They aren't real clones, just cheaply made look alikes. What would you use if there were no chinese imports of cloned (copied) optics? I'll go with the real deal or I'll go without. I'm not rich, infact I'm not even working right now but I'm not buying a chinese made clone to save a buck. Cloned optics is the topic here. Not all cheap chinese made optics, that's another subject. Cloning the look of a real optic such as an Aimpoint is wrong IMO. Hell we even have a few threads around here to show how to tell the difference so people don't get ripped off. How many people buy those on ebay thinking that they have the real deal? It doesn't hold up or work as well and they blame Aimpoint and never buy another Aimpoint product. Aimpoint misses out on the first sale and furture sales as well. It's not right. I used Aimpoint as just one example, there are many cloned optics from china out there. There's a huge difference between a clone and a knockoff. A clone, such as the sights produced by Primary Arms and others are inspired by Aimpoints. They aren't carbon copies, and they aren't built and sold to deceive. Knockoffs are what you often see sold from Hong Kong for the Airsofter market - they illegally infringe on trade dress by copying markings from the originals. Most of these are truly trash. I'm trying one of the PA Micro clones right now to see how I like the idea of a Micro. It's cheap insurance against my buying a $600 Aimpoint Micro and hating it; after I replace it I'll move it over to one of my .22LRs. It's a pretty damn impressive sight for $89. It's clearly marked as being made by Primary Arms and is obviously not a T-1. Save your ire for the knockoffs. |
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Well it looks like we ( I ) have mistaken terms used here. To me a "clone" is one that attempts to look like the original.
CLONE: near copy of hardware or software: a hardware device, e.g. a PC, or a piece of software, that is a functional copy of another, more expensive product developed by another manufacturer. |
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Quoted: Well it looks like we ( I ) have mistaken terms used here. To me a "clone" is one that attempts to look like the original. CLONE: near copy of hardware or software: a hardware device, e.g. a PC, or a piece of software, that is a functional copy of another, more expensive product developed by another manufacturer. Then by that definition if your AR is not a Colt it is a clone? |
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Clones? Clones are copies of the real thing. China takes an real product and makes a clone of it for rip-offs to sell on ebay to fools that buy them thinking they are real. Too many clones around here, fake Aimpoints, EOTechs, ACOGs, Leupolds and many others. If I had one I sure wouldn't be proud enough of it to post a picture. Here's a clone for you....have fun. http://www.pinkraygun.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dollytheclonedsheep.jpg So, how does it feel to be so damn superior? It's pretty awesome. Now where are my grapes?
You sir...make me laugh 
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Not going one way or the other, but. Are the Primary Arms clones and to be shunned as well ? How about the Burris/ SPOT ? They look like Aimpoints . I don't give a fatbabies-ass what people think. I don't kill as many people as these ARF commando's, so I just use what works for me and don't usually spend as much on an optic as I do a rifle. 
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THEY ARE NOT CLONES!!!! THEY ARE ILIEAGAL KNOCKOFF’S!!! They are in direct violation of international and national patent and trade mark infringement. They are the same thing as the $20 Rolex watches you can buy on any street corner in NY.   No they're not. Knockoffs are trade dress violations; they can alo be patent infringements. Clones are completely different. Is a Chevy a knockoff of a Ford? Only if it has Ford nameplates. |
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THEY ARE NOT CLONES!!!! THEY ARE ILIEAGAL KNOCKOFF’S!!! They are in direct violation of international and national patent and trade mark infringement. They are the same thing as the $20 Rolex watches you can buy on any street corner in NY. No they're not. Knockoffs are trade dress violations; they can alo be patent infringements. Clones are completely different. Is a Chevy a knockoff of a Ford? Only if it has Ford nameplates. DUDE!!!! That 3X on the first page has the TM Aimpoint logo on it. What part about this do you not understand? It is stealing money from honest dealers trying to seel the real thing and make a living. Ask me how I know. ASK ME! I will put it out in the open. I WORK FOR AIMPOINT!!!! |
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DUDE!!!! That 3X on the first page has the TM Aimpoint logo on it. What part about this do you not understand? It is stealing money from honest dealers trying to seel the real thing and make a living. Ask me how I know. ASK ME! I will put it out in the open. I WORK FOR AIMPOINT!!!! And that one is an illegal knockoff made for the Airsoft kiddies. I don't think you'll find anyone defending them. A clone is a different thing. Look at a Burris XTS-135 (just picking a clone at random): 
It's obviously inspired by an Aimpoint. In your opinion, is this "stealing money from honest dealers"? Another popular one is the Primary Arms M3 clone: 
Please point out the Aimpoint markings. Oh, wait - you can't, because PA doesn't make their sight with the intent to deceive! They clearly mark their sights with their own name. |
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DUDE!!!! That 3X on the first page has the TM Aimpoint logo on it. What part about this do you not understand? It is stealing money from honest dealers trying to seel the real thing and make a living. Ask me how I know. ASK ME! I will put it out in the open. I WORK FOR AIMPOINT!!!! And that one is an illegal knockoff made for the Airsoft kiddies. I don't think you'll find anyone defending them. A clone is a different thing. Look at a Burris XTS-135 (just picking a clone at random): http://www.burrisoptics.com/images/XTS_135.jpg It's obviously inspired by an Aimpoint. In your opinion, is this "stealing money from honest dealers"? Another popular one is the Primary Arms M3 clone: http://www.primaryarms.com/images/M3mountedlow.jpg Please point out the Aimpoint markings. Oh, wait - you can't, because PA doesn't make their sight with the intent to deceive! They clearly mark their sights with their own name. The 3x? Look at this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=367860&page=2 Hmmmmm... I guess when US customs with our help seized 5 shipping containers form China last year we were doing it for our health? I guess we must not have been justified. Boy. I guess the FBI's counterfeit merchandise div. is just there for show? |
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The 3x? Look at this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=367860&page=2 Hmmmmm... I guess when US customs with our help seized 5 shipping containers form China last year we were doing it for our health? I guess we must not have been justified. Boy. I guess the FBI's counterfeit merchandise div. is just there for show? Read, will 'ya? The 3x was an illegal knockoff intended to deceive. A clone is something completely different. You came into a thread about clones and laid a turd. If you can't see the difference between a knockoff and a clone I really can't help you. |
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Read, will 'ya? The 3x was an illegal knockoff intended to deceive. A clone is something completely different. You came into a thread about clones and laid a turd. If you can't see the difference between a knockoff and a clone I really can't help you. Don't you think you would be a little pissed off if you busted your ass every day to make the best product possible and everyone and their brother started copying (cloning, ripping off, infringing, copying, whatever you want to call it) 
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The 3x? Look at this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=367860&page=2 Hmmmmm... I guess when US customs with our help seized 5 shipping containers form China last year we were doing it for our health? I guess we must not have been justified. Boy. I guess the FBI's counterfeit merchandise div. is just there for show? Read, will 'ya? The 3x was an illegal knockoff intended to deceive. A clone is something completely different. You came into a thread about clones and laid a turd. If you can't see the difference between a knockoff and a clone I really can't help you. To me the difference between Clone and Knockoff doesn't matter. While PA or burris may not mark it as an Aimpoint in order to deceive, making an obvious copy still takes away business and reputation from actual companies. Im sure Aimpoint answers many calls about "Aimpoints with green dots" because people done recognize anything but the shape and profile. So if you like junk and knockoffs then there is no changing your mind, buy it and waste money. I would rather spend the coin on real products that i know will work as advertised, remain waterproof, hold zero and save me money in the long run on having to replace shitty optics. ~HSP |
| I agree that they are made to look like AP's.But I also think the guys who buy them wont ever get an AP. Or like me buy one to use while I'm saving for an AP. And when I do get mine it will be the C3. I can't justify $5-700 for a RD. I'm not going into harms way. 95% of the people wont be either. As far as infringement goes, take them to court, have them pay royalties. But then again a whole lot of others would be paying too. The German and Brit gunmakers from 100 years ago were making QD mounts. Whoever came up with the first rail system could do it too. AP's are the best RD out there. Period. But the people who want/need an AP are going to get one anyway. The clones / knockoffs arent going to change that at all. |
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Is that a real or a clone Bushmaster?
Just kidding... BUT...if there were cheap made in china clone/knockoffs of real AR's some here would buy them to save money and say "it works...I'm not going in harms way so why does it matter". And you all know it would happen. The same ones could also buy a blowup doll rather than get a real woman..."it's cheaper and it feels almost as good in bed". This country has gone to hell and we can only blame ourselves. |
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No your absolutely right. I'll go rush out and tell the 2 disabled vets I know that they are screwing up America because they cant afford an Aimpoint. Your arrogance is unreal. Good story. These are clones of a Aimpoint. DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING? 
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No your absolutely right. I'll go rush out and tell the 2 disabled vets I know that they are screwing up America because they cant afford an Aimpoint. Your arrogance is unreal. Good story. These are clones of a Aimpoint. DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING? http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7348/realvsfakebodyej9.jpg That is a fake not a clone. Oh and I do own a REAL eotech. I don't like fakes but some don't have or want to spend the cash on the real thing for a plinker. |
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Good story. These are clones of a Aimpoint. DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING? http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7348/realvsfakebodyej9.jpg Those are illegal knockoffs, not clones. |
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Main Entry: 1clone
Pronunciation: \ˈklōn Function: noun Etymology: Greek klōn twig, slip; akin to Greek klan to break — more at clast Date: 1903 1 a : the aggregate of genetically identical cells or organisms asexually produced by a single progenitor cell or organism b : an individual grown from a single somatic cell or cell nucleus and genetically identical to it c : a group of replicas of all or part of a macromolecule and especially DNA <clones of identical recombinant DNA sequences> 2 : one that appears to be a copy of an original form clone (kln) n. 1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell. 2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding. 3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques. 4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: |
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Fakes , absolutey not. I do think Spots / Burris / P.A. / Vortev Are OK. Fake importers should be stopped. And legal action taken. Just like the Surefire had every right to stop Pentagon.
But if you go on looks (not false claims of Being another company ) Everyone would have ARMS rails, and throw levers. |
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A CLONE is what we are talking about here.
I have no problem with the companies that make something SIMULAR in appearance and put their own name on the product. But I don't think cloning a real product and attempting to pass it off as real is right. As I said on page one, we have a misunderstanding of terms. Clone Copy Knockoff Define the difference. To me anyway...they are all the more or less same thing. Not saying I can't be wrong here, but this seems to be the basic misunderstanding in this thread and it's not just me. ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- clone clone [ klōn ] Definition: a functional copy of another, more expensive product developed by another manufacturer transitive verb make copy of something: to produce an exact or near copy of an object or product –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– knock·off [ nók àwf, nók òf ] (plural knock·offs) noun Definition: cheap copy of goods: an inexpensive, sometimes illegal copy of a piece of well-known or popular merchandise ( informal ) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LETS SEE SOME PICS OF YOUR CLONES (Page 1 of 2)
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