Warning

 

Close
Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Cancel Confirm
AR15.COM
AR Sponsor
11/3/2009 6:03:21 PM EDT
I don't have much, if any experience shooting an AR15 with an optic. Right now I am spending most of my time shooting a basic M4 type carbine (Stag) with a F type front sight and a fold down rear.

I am putting together another carbine, 16" mid length, and want to put an optic on it.

With respect to either a scope, (ike an accupoint) or something like a EOTECH/Aimpoint, what are the pros and cons of having either a fixed front sight or a folding front sight?

I like the simplicity of having a fixed front sight but I am concerned that it might get in the way/field of view while using an optic.

11/3/2009 6:20:15 PM EDT
[#1]
With a magnified optic, you won't even see the front sight.  With a red dot, you will focus on the red dot and not the front sight.  There is nothing to line up.  It is a scientific fact that the mind can focus more quickly on one thing at a time and that thing will be the dot.  You will not be "seeing" the front sight, even though it is there.

As for fold-down vs. fixed; I prefer fold downs because they tend to mount on an extended rail that covers a low profile gasblock.  This gives me more real estate to grip the rail further forward, giving me more control over the gun.  With a standard front sight base, I lose a couple inches because I would burn my hand by gripping that far forward.  Regardless, I leave my fold-down front sights in the "up" position because it means it is ready to go if I have to go to my irons.  At that point, I only have to flip up the rear sight.  

This is what suits me, but YMMV.
11/5/2009 9:19:04 AM EDT
[#2]
People get fixed front sights because they are less expensive and they have an unreasonable fear that a folding fron sight is somehow not tough enough... yet they run a folding rear and think nothing of it.  I also dont use the front slign swivel (I used a QD socket on the rail) and dont use the bayonette lug.

I prefer the folding front for the sight picture, the real estate on the rail, the look, and the weight.  You can actually cut weight by getting a light folding front sight, low profile gas block, and a rail that extends 2" longer than a comparable set up with a fixed FSB complete with bayonette lug and front sling swivel.  Not much, but you CAN get it lighter.
11/5/2009 12:16:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
People get fixed front sights because they are less expensive and they have an unreasonable fear that a folding fron sight is somehow not tough enough... yet they run a folding rear and think nothing of it.  I also dont use the front slign swivel (I used a QD socket on the rail) and dont use the bayonette lug.

I prefer the folding front for the sight picture, the real estate on the rail, the look, and the weight.  You can actually cut weight by getting a light folding front sight, low profile gas block, and a rail that extends 2" longer than a comparable set up with a fixed FSB complete with bayonette lug and front sling swivel.  Not much, but you CAN get it lighter.


Your assumptions on why people like FSB's are not accurate.  Fixed BUIS are preferred by many on a fighting gun (front and rear).  I run both setups, there are downsides to both setups.  Cost has nothing to do with it IMO.
11/6/2009 5:53:52 AM EDT
[#4]
Id argue my reasons are pretty accurate...  and why do you run fixed front and rear?  IMO its always about speed of getting the BUIS into action or lack of reliability in the folding units if it si not price.  Yet, I have never heard of anyone who had a good optic fail AND didnt have the time to deploy a set of BUIS.  If your case is different it will the first time I have heard a reason other than those two.

We have guys who have fixed FSB in my department on their patrol rifles.  Its USUALLY a cost issue, with an occasional reliability claim.  Its no different with the recreational shooters here I know and shoot with.

I think not only are you wrong on cost having nothing to do with it, but it is the PRIMARY reason people dont use them.  If it were free to try both set ups and there was no price difference for people buying them, folding front sights would dominate the market IMO.

Comparing free to the cost of a new longer rail (that is more expensive, a low profile gas block or paying to cut one down and the cost of a Troy front that is a major deterant.
11/6/2009 6:00:14 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
I don't have much, if any experience shooting an AR15 with an optic. Right now I am spending most of my time shooting a basic M4 type carbine (Stag) with a F type front sight and a fold down rear.

I am putting together another carbine, 16" mid length, and want to put an optic on it.

With respect to either a scope, (ike an accupoint) or something like a EOTECH/Aimpoint, what are the pros and cons of having either a fixed front sight or a folding front sight?

I like the simplicity of having a fixed front sight but I am concerned that it might get in the way/field of view while using an optic.



So you dont want the folding front because of a perceived reliability issue... is that correct? Or is the simplicity you reffer to about the speed in getting it into action?
11/6/2009 6:03:58 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Id argue my reasons are pretty accurate...  and why do you run fixed front and rear?  IMO its always about speed of getting the BUIS into action or lack of reliability in the folding units if it si not price.  Yet, I have never heard of anyone who had a good optic fail AND didnt have the time to deploy a set of BUIS.  If your case is different it will the first time I have heard a reason other than those two.

We have guys who have fixed FSB in my department on their patrol rifles.  Its USUALLY a cost issue, with an occasional reliability claim.  Its no different with the recreational shooters here I know and shoot with.

I think not only are you wrong on cost having nothing to do with it, but it is the PRIMARY reason people dont use them.  If it were free to try both set ups and there was no price difference for people buying them, folding front sights would dominate the market IMO.

Comparing free to the cost of a new longer rail (that is more expensive, a low profile gas block or paying to cut one down and the cost of a Troy front that is a major deterant.


Like you state above, that is YOUR opinion.  Nearly every professional trainer and "others" that I have dealt with have the opposite opinion.  Carry on....
11/7/2009 11:23:51 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't have much, if any experience shooting an AR15 with an optic. Right now I am spending most of my time shooting a basic M4 type carbine (Stag) with a F type front sight and a fold down rear.

I am putting together another carbine, 16" mid length, and want to put an optic on it.

With respect to either a scope, (ike an accupoint) or something like a EOTECH/Aimpoint, what are the pros and cons of having either a fixed front sight or a folding front sight?

I like the simplicity of having a fixed front sight but I am concerned that it might get in the way/field of view while using an optic.



So you dont want the folding front because of a perceived reliability issue... is that correct? Or is the simplicity you reffer to about the speed in getting it into action?


I am not concerned about reliability. There are plenty of high quality front sights out there. It has more to do with not having to think about the front sight, getting the back up sights into action quicker etc....

11/8/2009 3:15:37 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Id argue my reasons are pretty accurate...  and why do you run fixed front and rear?  IMO its always about speed of getting the BUIS into action or lack of reliability in the folding units if it si not price.  Yet, I have never heard of anyone who had a good optic fail AND didnt have the time to deploy a set of BUIS.  If your case is different it will the first time I have heard a reason other than those two.

We have guys who have fixed FSB in my department on their patrol rifles.  Its USUALLY a cost issue, with an occasional reliability claim.  Its no different with the recreational shooters here I know and shoot with.

I think not only are you wrong on cost having nothing to do with it, but it is the PRIMARY reason people dont use them.  If it were free to try both set ups and there was no price difference for people buying them, folding front sights would dominate the market IMO.

Comparing free to the cost of a new longer rail (that is more expensive, a low profile gas block or paying to cut one down and the cost of a Troy front that is a major deterant.


I don't claim to know why most people do what they do but on my rifles I have fixed front and rear buis on all but one gun and I can afford whatever I want.
AR Sponsor