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Posted: 10/23/2009 9:33:42 PM EDT
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Before I continue, if you want to make a post about you don't put clones on your gun, then dont waste my time and yours by posting it.
http://www.hitechtactical.com/4x32-Elite-Compact-Tactical-Scope.html Does anyone own that specific one or one like it? I want to put it on my .223. =) Thanks for the help.   
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These scopes ship directly from China. Delivery takes approximately 3 weeks.
4x32 Scope Fully Multi Coated Lenses Built in sunshade Quick focus eyepiece Bullet drop compensator reticle calibrated for the .223 cartridge with a 55 grain bullet Integrated weaver style/ picatinny mounting system Optical fiber has no function and is for decoration only. ALSO AVAILABLE IN FLAT DARK EARTH Price: $135.00 Yes, those are real good scopes. 
The chinese are wise, they take an American made, designed, tested and copywrited scope and "clone" it. But they are even wiser than that...they aren't really "clones" because if they were they would function the same as the real ones. They are smart enough to know that would cost more money to produce so they only "clone" how the scope looks. They are smart....they know there is a air soft market for them but also there are many owners of real AR rifles over here that just want to "look cool" and they will also buy them. So they pump them out and ship them here by the thousands and people buy them. The chinese are are making a killing on these since they cost very little to produce and they don't have to waste their time and money on actually developing a quality product...it just has to look like one. Buy one, mount it on your rifle and be cool. And start looking for the next scope for your AR to buy when that chinese "clone" stops working...and it will. That's what I think...even if you don't want to hear it. |
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I hope I am not wasting too much of your time but don't put Airsoft scopes on a real rifle.
There is NO OTHER REASON to buy a scope like this other than to look cool. If you can't afford a $900 ACOG, that's fine. Not everyone can. But you won't impress anyone at the range when they find out its a Chinese knockoff toy scope. Just sayin' |
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Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. Well thank you for setting me straight on that. But I do think Trijicon has the rights to their design. I'll be back. |
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Here is the court order telling NcStar to stop making FAKE ACOGs:
Trijicon Pursues Legal Action Against ACOG Patent Violation Trijicon, Inc., the originator and sole marketer of the ACOG® riflescope (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight) has promised to pursue legal action if necessary against New Century Science & Technology, El Monte, California (aka NcSTAR) to prevent that company from marketing a replica of Trijicon’s popular ACOG®. Trijicon served NcSTAR with a cease and desist letter during the 2005 SHOT Show in Las Vegas, where NcSTAR was offering its unauthorized replicas for sale and representing them as “an exact copy of Trijicon’s ACOG® scope”. A Trijicon representative obtained one of the NcSTAR copies during the trade show and it was confirmed by examination that it was, indeed, a virtual duplicate of the ACOG®. NcSTAR agreed to cease distribution of the ACOG® replica was instructed to advise its Chinese supplier to discontinue manufacturing the product. Trijicon will conduct periodic surveillance to ensure NcSTAR upholds its end of the cease and desist agreement. “We take great pride in our ability to produce high quality, unique optics”, says Stephen Bindon, President of Trijicon, Inc. “We will vigorously pursue and prosecute any and all infringements of our intellectual properties.” The Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight ACOG® was designed by Glyn A. J. Bindon, founder of Trijicon. The company has been awarded a U.S. patent and several international patents on the ACOG®. The company also believes that the distinctive design and appearance of the ACOG® should be protected from duplication under current U.S. trademark laws. Therefore, Trijicon maintains that the Chinese-made clone constituted both Patent Infringement and Product Configuration Infringement, and promised to pursue legal action if New Century Science & Technology, Inc. continues to offer the ACOG® knock-offs for sale. The Trijicon ACOG® is in wide use globally by military and police organizations as well as by discriminating sportsmen. Trijicon has issued a cautionary statement to its customers to beware of unauthorized ACOG® replicas which are neither endorsed nor warranted by Trijicon and have not been researched, tested nor manufactured according toTrijicon’s stringent quality control standards. |
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If you want an ACOG clone/look alike, I wouldn't go any cheaper than the Bushnell Trophy model.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-trophy-1x32-riflescope-730132p.html Heck, some of them actually work. You would at least be getting a cheap chinese optic that has some (very little) quality control and it does have a warranty. |
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That will actually hold up pretty well and keep 0. I have tried one out, they are a little heavy but not bad. My Eotech blows it away, but it was two hundred bucks more. ACOG would be a lot more...
If you want an inexpensive quality scope, I would get a real EOTech 516 A65. |
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Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark
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Quoted: You are correct. I forgot about the "design" element of the trademark. I stand corrected.Quoted: Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark Basically, if it does not "look" like a 17yo or older Acog then it would be GTG. Anyway, I am a firm believer that if your rifle is used in a professional capacity then you should have a real Acog, Aimpoint, etc. If it is used like mine, that is for punching holes in paper, then it does not matter as long as you like it. |
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You are correct. I forgot about the "design" element of the trademark. I stand corrected.
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Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark Basically, if it does not "look" like a 17yo or older Acog then it would be GTG. Anyway, I am a firm believer that if your rifle is used in a professional capacity then you should have a real Acog, Aimpoint, etc. If it is used like mine, that is for punching holes in paper, then it does not matter as long as you like it. There are plenty of decent scopes that don't cost a lot. There is no reason to buy a clone other than to try and look "cool". Sorry OP, this one kinda strikes close to home. I get really irritated by people who don't mind supporting communist China just so they can look cool at the range. I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of people on this site that think it's ok for China to steal our ideas and rip off Americans..... |
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Quoted: Small problem with your reasoning there. The computer you are on, the equipment your cable/telco company uses, a lot of the electronics in your vehicle, the metal stampings in your grill, etc were made in China. You are supporting them in your daily life more than anyone buying a knock off Acog ever will. Quoted: Quoted: You are correct. I forgot about the "design" element of the trademark. I stand corrected.Quoted: Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark Basically, if it does not "look" like a 17yo or older Acog then it would be GTG. Anyway, I am a firm believer that if your rifle is used in a professional capacity then you should have a real Acog, Aimpoint, etc. If it is used like mine, that is for punching holes in paper, then it does not matter as long as you like it. There are plenty of decent scopes that don't cost a lot. There is no reason to buy a clone other than to try and look "cool". Sorry OP, this one kinda strikes close to home. I get really irritated by people who don't mind supporting communist China just so they can look cool at the range. I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of people on this site that think it's ok for China to steal our ideas and rip off Americans..... Now, I truly believe that American quality trumps imported quality any day. But would you pay $1400 for a computer that was completely US made when you can get an import for $900? BTW, I am completely with you when it comes to stealing designs and technology. It is just impossible to avoid buying imported items (legally made, not stolen designs) in today's global economy. Americans demand cheap shit. They also demand high wages. The two will never co-exist. |
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To the guy above me yes quality stuff usually costs more to make but some US companies overcharge a lot, which is why i have bought a few chinese things.
Are you guys saying primary arms and vortex strikefires are shit too? Technically they are "clones" but everyone says they are good, so why can't an ACOG clone be good? Have you guys actually tried these, or are you just know it alls? FYI, not everyone can afford a $400-$1,500 optic for a range gun. |
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Small problem with your reasoning there. The computer you are on, the equipment your cable/telco company uses, a lot of the electronics in your vehicle, the metal stampings in your grill, etc were made in China. You are supporting them in your daily life more than anyone buying a knock off Acog ever will.
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You are correct. I forgot about the "design" element of the trademark. I stand corrected.
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Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark Basically, if it does not "look" like a 17yo or older Acog then it would be GTG. Anyway, I am a firm believer that if your rifle is used in a professional capacity then you should have a real Acog, Aimpoint, etc. If it is used like mine, that is for punching holes in paper, then it does not matter as long as you like it. There are plenty of decent scopes that don't cost a lot. There is no reason to buy a clone other than to try and look "cool". Sorry OP, this one kinda strikes close to home. I get really irritated by people who don't mind supporting communist China just so they can look cool at the range. I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of people on this site that think it's ok for China to steal our ideas and rip off Americans..... Now, I truly believe that American quality trumps imported quality any day. But would you pay $1400 for a computer that was completely US made when you can get an import for $900? BTW, I am completely with you when it comes to stealing designs and technology. It is just impossible to avoid buying imported items (legally made, not stolen designs) in today's global economy. Americans demand cheap shit. They also demand high wages. The two will never co-exist. Dell making a computer in China is not the same issue, that we cannot get around that easily. That is a much different issue than some chicom company cloning another product. You need to rethink you reasoning above
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To the guy above me yes quality stuff usually costs more to make but some US companies overcharge a lot, which is why i have bought a few chinese things. Are you guys saying primary arms and vortex strikefires are shit too? Technically they are "clones" but everyone says they are good, so why can't an ACOG clone be good? Have you guys actually tried these, or are you just know it alls? FYI, not everyone can afford a $400-$1,500 optic for a range gun. You are right, not everyone needs a $1500 optic. There are still much better options that buying a clone. You buy a clone because you want to look good on the range (note: clone optics make you look like a mall ninja). If you need a budget optic get one. Clone does not equal the only budget optics available
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Before I continue, if you want to make a post about you don't put clones on your gun, then dont waste my time and yours by posting it. http://www.hitechtactical.com/4x32-Elite-Compact-Tactical-Scope.html Does anyone own that specific one or one like it? I want to put it on my .223. =) Thanks for the help. It is stealing. |
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Quoted: Not in every case. I do not give a damn what anyone at the rangeQuoted: Quoted: Small problem with your reasoning there. The computer you are on, the equipment your cable/telco company uses, a lot of the electronics in your vehicle, the metal stampings in your grill, etc were made in China. You are supporting them in your daily life more than anyone buying a knock off Acog ever will. Quoted: Quoted: You are correct. I forgot about the "design" element of the trademark. I stand corrected.Quoted: Scopes are not "copywrited". Copyrights apply to books, names, etc. Scopes would have patents and those expire after something like 17 years and then they are fair game. You are right about the patent, but the ACOG look and design are Trademarked and that doesn't expire. Any clone sold today is a direct infringement of that Trademark Basically, if it does not "look" like a 17yo or older Acog then it would be GTG. Anyway, I am a firm believer that if your rifle is used in a professional capacity then you should have a real Acog, Aimpoint, etc. If it is used like mine, that is for punching holes in paper, then it does not matter as long as you like it. There are plenty of decent scopes that don't cost a lot. There is no reason to buy a clone other than to try and look "cool". Sorry OP, this one kinda strikes close to home. I get really irritated by people who don't mind supporting communist China just so they can look cool at the range. I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of people on this site that think it's ok for China to steal our ideas and rip off Americans..... Now, I truly believe that American quality trumps imported quality any day. But would you pay $1400 for a computer that was completely US made when you can get an import for $900? BTW, I am completely with you when it comes to stealing designs and technology. It is just impossible to avoid buying imported items (legally made, not stolen designs) in today's global economy. Americans demand cheap shit. They also demand high wages. The two will never co-exist. Dell making a computer in China is not the same issue, that we cannot get around that easily. That is a much different issue than some chicom company cloning another product. You need to rethink you reasoning above Quoted: To the guy above me yes quality stuff usually costs more to make but some US companies overcharge a lot, which is why i have bought a few chinese things. Are you guys saying primary arms and vortex strikefires are shit too? Technically they are "clones" but everyone says they are good, so why can't an ACOG clone be good? Have you guys actually tried these, or are you just know it alls? FYI, not everyone can afford a $400-$1,500 optic for a range gun. You are right, not everyone needs a $1500 optic. There are still much better options that buying a clone. You buy a clone because you want to look good on the range (note: clone optics make you look like a mall ninja). If you need a budget optic get one. Clone does not equal the only budget optics available thinks about me, my gun, my car or my optics. If they have a problem with them then they can take comfort in the fact that they do not own them and I do. My AR kills pieces of paper on a regular basis. I do not need a $500+ optic to stay ahead of the paper. As I said before, If my life depended on it I would have an Acog or Aimpoint. My life is taken care of by the 870 and 1911 though............ BTW, I have a Primary Arms M3 "clone" and a Primary Arms 3X magnifier. Love them both. Got them from a US Company that happened to outsource the build to a Chinese company. My flashlights are surefire because I use them with my 1911 in a self defense role. |
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Not in every case. I do not give a damn what anyone at the rangethinks about me, my gun, my car or my optics. If they have a problem with themthen they can take comfort in the fact that they do not own them and Ido. My AR kills pieces of paper on a regular basis. I do not need a $500+ optic to stay ahead of the paper. As I said before, If my life depended on it I would have an Acog or Aimpoint. My life is taken care of by the 870 and 1911 though............
You are right, not everyone needs a $1500 optic. There are still much better options that buying a clone. You buy a clone because you want to look good on the range (note: clone optics make you look like a mall ninja). If you need a budget optic get one. Clone does not equal the only budget optics available BTW, I have a Primary Arms M3 "clone" and a Primary Arms 3X magnifier. Love them both. Got them from a US Company that happened to outsource the build to a Chinese company. My flashlights are surefire because I use them with my 1911 in a self defense role. [/quote] What ever makes you happy pal
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Quoted: Quoted: Not in every case. I do not give a damn what anyone at the rangethinks about me, my gun, my car or my optics. If they have a problem with themthen they can take comfort in the fact that they do not own them and Ido. My AR kills pieces of paper on a regular basis. I do not need a $500+ optic to stay ahead of the paper. As I said before, If my life depended on it I would have an Acog or Aimpoint. My life is taken care of by the 870 and 1911 though............You are right, not everyone needs a $1500 optic. There are still much better options that buying a clone. You buy a clone because you want to look good on the range (note: clone optics make you look like a mall ninja). If you need a budget optic get one. Clone does not equal the only budget optics available BTW, I have a Primary Arms M3 "clone" and a Primary Arms 3X magnifier. Love them both. Got them from a US Company that happened to outsource the build to a Chinese company. My flashlights are surefire because I use them with my 1911 in a self defense role. What ever makes you happy pal [/quote]Same to you Buddy  |
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