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Posted: 8/29/2009 6:45:57 PM EDT
| I was wondering about the TA11 with donut reticle. Does it have enough magnification anf is that reticle precise enough for long range work? I have doubts about the reticles precision compared to a crosshair or chevron. |
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Long range....300yrd 1000yrd???
big difference, what kind of precision are you looking for MOM(minute of man), MOA, or what? Need more details. With my ta-31h i have no trouble with half silhouettes at 600yrds. Its a battle sight not a long range comp sight. if that helps any... |
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I am talking about smaller targets at 2-400 yds. and paper targets. Can you get any precision or is it just for speed? It is not going to be the best for shooting groups The whole idea is to balance speed and precision. With my TA33 I was shooting steel out to 400 with pretty good consistency |
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If what you want to shoot is smaller than your average human sillhouette, get a different optic. Otherwise, the donut gives you the best reticle option for what the ACOG is intended. If MOA precision is what you're after, get a variable scope. Just curious ... It seems like the donut reticle is mainly found in use on the TA11 (correct me if I'm wrong) ... Therefore, if "the donut gives you the best reticle option for what the ACOG is intended" - why isn't it an option on many more of the ACOG models 
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If what you want to shoot is smaller than your average human sillhouette, get a different optic. Otherwise, the donut gives you the best reticle option for what the ACOG is intended. If MOA precision is what you're after, get a variable scope. Just curious ... It seems like the donut reticle is mainly found in use on the TA11 (correct me if I'm wrong) ... Therefore, if "the donut gives you the best reticle option for what the ACOG is intended" - why isn't it an option on many more of the ACOG models
Variety I guess. In the end, it's an advanced combat optical gunsight. The donut has it's pros and cons just like the other options. I'm just of the opinion that the donut's pros far outweigh it's cons when stacked up to the other reticle shapes. If sub-MOA precision is what one's after...I'd venture to say the chevron would be the way to go, but then again, I'd be looking at a different optic too. You'll find lots of opinions and angles on this particular subject. I'm just sharing mine. 
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Hokie, I'm with you on this one, of course you already knew that. Having the TA11C, TA31, TA31F, and TA55A, I find that at 100 yards the chevron does give me a little better group size than the donut, but I can consistently hit the target faster with the donut. I can also shoot just as tight a 100 yard group with the donut as with the chevron, if I take the time to carefully bi-sect the point of impact with the top curve of the donut. But in BAC mode at 15 yard targets, it's not that close, I don't think about the donut at all, whereas it's less natural to center the chevron. Now, let's say it's a 150 yard shot, whic is better, neither, that's which one. How often, except at the range, will your target be precisely 100 yards away? The real question is which one are you more comfortable with, and will you, or will you not use some type of RDS for close range engagements? The other question is how receptive to red illumination are your eyes? I've been amazed at how many men have poor red sensitivity. Trijicon does come through here, offering amber as well as green illumination. It's an important point for far many more than we would think. I always thought I would want a TA11B, you know the one with the red triangle and no BDC. Well I tried it, and it wasn't for me. Strangely enough I just didn't pick up te triangle like I did the donut. I even preferred the chevron, which is an excellent choice for 4X or more. I'd like to comment of the best ACOG for the ever more popular Recce or Recon build. To me it's a no-brainer, the TA11C offers the donut, red illumination, long eye relief, an excellent 3.5X magnification with resolution so good it outperforms cheaper but higher magnification scopes, It also has great color and contrast, is very good in low light, and very importantly it's .308 carry handle ballistics match 75/77 grain ammo out of the popular 16" barrel length almost flawlessly. I'm very lucky 'cause BAC works great for me, I have little phoria, and I've trained enough that stationary, I can switch my brain from the magnified view to the non-mag ad back, easily. The key word here is "trained". Here is my TA11C platform. With the Kreiger barrel and OPS 12ht suppressor it has trememdous accuracy, and I get enough muzzle velocity that the BDC matches very well. For those that say 3.5X isn't enough magnification, well it's not for some uses, so check the second photo. Geovid 10X laser rangefinder, never leave home without it! 
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PLEASE tell me about that binocular mount. I need something just like that. Details please!!! It's a Leica mount specifically for some of their binoculars. Here are the stas, and beware, they were like $69 when I got them. Fits all Leica Ultravid Full Size Binoculars (32mm to 50mm), Leica Trinovid Full Size (32mm to 50mm), Leica Duovid Binoculars, and Minox (32mm to 50mm). They fit any modern tripod as well of course. The little foldable Ultrapod tripod here works pretty good from the prone position. It doesn't have much height adjustment, but is still useable. There are several other good choices for a tripod which is small, portable, and useful prone, but this one is only $19, and is ctually useful for other things, such as cameras or flashes! |
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