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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bobro mounts whose got one? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/6/2009 7:06:43 PM EDT
| Wondering how these match up with the big L and ADMs? |
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Primary Arms carries them.
I'm doing a T&E at the moment on one. Will be comparing it to LT and ADM mounts. I think highly of it so far. Should have a writeup done this weekend. Have about 500 rounds under it, have taken it off and put it on a few dozen times, zero is still good. |
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I've got one along with a ADM Recon X. I have never had an issue with repeatability with the ADM. I just loved the concept of the BOBRO and figured I'd drink the kool-aid.
The model I have is the BOBRO 200. Its not extended and has the rings further apart. Unfortunately for me, I can't quite use up all the space due to the shape of my Meopta K-dot, so it's a little further back than I'd like. But, that's an error on my part when ordering. I love how easily it just snaps on. No need to adjust anything and they look so damn sexy. And it repeats zero with no issues. I test this by mounting an aimpoint in front my K-dot and zero the aimpoint to it. Than I'll remove and reinstall the BOBRO a bunch of times. It always comes back to the same spot each and everytime. Same results at 50 yards, no shift in POI. It has a smaller footprint on the rails, incase you are tight on space. It'll be the only mount I buy from now on. Only negative thing is that its a little bit pricier. 
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Here is my Burris XTR 1-4 in a Bobro extended scope mount. I like the extended version because you can still go NTCH. As far as how they match up. If you are going to come to market with a mount to compete with a product as good as LaRue you better come up with something a little different. The Bobro engineers did their homework. Their mounts do not require any adjustment to compensate for worn or slightly different size rails. Very handy when used on more than one weapon. If the need arises they can be quickly removed with one free hand.
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Sorry ... no lobo mount ... I've only got a top notch LaRue. I am sure your very informative comment is based a extensive hands on comparison of the two. As I stated LaRue is top notch. Bobro Engineering is known for making the finest bipods and when they designed a mount they knew it would have to be something special to compete with the best in class LaRue. The Bobro mount is not just a similar mount with a slightly different look but a totally new design. Not everyone will want or need the added features of the Bobro mount but they are now available for those that do. |
| I'm using a 150 right now with my Aimpoint. I think Bobro has the best QD mounts on the market right now. And yes I have used Larue, ADM, ARMS, GG&G and a many of the other mounts on the market before. Nothing wrong or bad with many of the other brands, but I love the Bobro. I'll be mainly using them for the foreseeable future. |
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Bravo Co. and Rainier Arms carrys them.
There's more to the Bobro...it's completely modular...the lever can be switched from left to right, and from opening forward, to opening rearward. Here's a discussion on it that's pretty informative. http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-329.html |
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Bravo Co. and Rainier Arms carrys them. There's more to the Bobro...it's completely modular...the lever can be switched from left to right, and from opening forward, to opening rearward. Here's a discussion on it that's pretty informative. http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-329.html Bravo CO and Rainier are good to go. Primary Arms is also a stocking dealer and AR15.com Industry Partner. All mounts are in stock and our fast shipping is legendary. Thanks Marshall WWW.PrimaryArms.com |
| I have a question regarding height-over-bore for the Bobro precision optics mounts. Maybe my eyes are just playing perception tricks on me, but it looks like the extended eye relief model might be just a touch higher than the other. Can somebody clear this up for me? |
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I have a question regarding height-over-bore for the Bobro precision optics mounts. Maybe my eyes are just playing perception tricks on me, but it looks like the extended eye relief model might be just a touch higher than the other. Can somebody clear this up for me? Has all the specs here. It's only .02'' higher than a LT104/139. You must have some Eagle Eye 
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I ordered an extended Bobro mount and a Burris XTR 1-4 from Primary Arms and mentioned that I was curious about the spacing of a non-extended mount for a Leupold M4. Primary Arms' response was to also ship me a non-extended mount for me to examine. GREAT COMPANY!
I am considering replacing my Larue rings because I have to adjust the levers each time I switch the scope from a .223 to a .308 and I'd rather not have to carry around the wrench. The Bobro will have to be pretty spectacular to replace the fantastic Larue rings though... |
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I'm glad to see this thread pop up... I have been looking for some insight into these mounts as they seem very top notch...
I'm not going to lie , I think Larue's QD lever is neat, and I still can't see owning anything else... Thanks for the general knowledge, though!!! |
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They look cool. But they do nothing for ME that my LaRue mounts won't do. And they're more expensive with NO increase in performance. For me, I don't see the point. But if they make others happy, then that's all that matters. I'll stick with LT.
If you're current mounts do everything you need them to do, clearly you have no need to look at an alternative system. However, to say the Bobro mounts have no increase in performance is simply incorrect. Here are the design criteria the mounts were designed around:
No other mount on the market can claim to meet the above criteria. For the record, I am in no way trying to start an argument. I am only trying to point out the facts. If you weren't aware of what the mounts were designed to do ( most people aren't ) then its very easy to say they don't do anything new. However, I think the criteria above speaks for itself. Goals were outlined. The interface was designed to meet those goals. 
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Jtrusty,
It is difficult to say this without sounding like I too am trying to start a debate. When you say " No other mount on the market can claim to meet the above criteria" that includes Larue without actually sayin it? Reason being, I am in in the market for a rugged mount and yours sounds awesome. |
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It is difficult to say this without sounding like I too am trying to start a debate.
Unfortunately, it is always difficult to discuss optics mounts without a debate ensuing. Shouldn't have to be that way, but it is what it is. When you say "No other mount on the market can claim to meet the above criteria" that includes Larue without actually sayin it?
Correct. However, that is not to say that you would need / require the additional design features implemented in a Bobro mount. There are plenty of functional mounts on the market that will suit your needs. Reason being, I am in in the market for a rugged mount and yours sounds awesome.
For the record, these are not "my" mounts. They are designed, manufactured by Andrew Bobro of Bobro Engineering. I am just a satisfied customer.
Hope that answers your questions. |
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Jtrusty, It is difficult to say this without sounding like I too am trying to start a debate. When you say " No other mount on the market can claim to meet the above criteria" that includes Larue without actually sayin it? Reason being, I am in in the market for a rugged mount and yours sounds awesome. The LaRue DOES do a lot of stuff on that list. I think his post was a bit misleading. The Bobro attaches to Weaver or out of spec Picatinny rails with no adjustments. The LaRue attaches to Picatinny rails, +/- spec. You may have to adjust the mount ONE TIME when installing it. It won't shoot loose and need any more adjustments. The whole "no need for adjustment" thing is blown WAY out of proportion. ETA: I highlighted the ones in red that the LaRue mounts DO meet: Must be completely tool and user adjustable free. It needs to be 100% self contained and mate securely to any rail without the user having to tailor the pressure/engagement position. Must lock with enough pressure to positively attach any device or optical instrument to a rail without movement, static or dynamic forces not withstanding. The rail must not experience any deformation due to user error. This must include synthetic (plastic/polymer/composite) rail systems. *So the LaRue mounts aren't great for PLASTIC rails. Oh well. 
Auto Index capability. The device must also index parallel to the bore. The unit must always repeat the forward shift (recoil forces direction of influence) not only to maximize zero repeatability, but to take this step of installation out of the users initial mounting sequence. Index must be redundant. *I willl admit I don't even know WTF this means. I slap my mounts on my rail and go shooting. Zero never shifts* Unit must not "shoot loose" due to improper mounting or a mechanical "bottoming out". The system must incorprate a safety that prevents the lever from being accidentally opened. The safety must be able to be manipulated in conjunction with the lever rotation, so that only one hand is required to open it. The unit will utilize constant force to ensure required pressure in all conditions. The force must be substantial to prevent any shift forward/aft left/right. The pressure must be applied in a linear direction centered in the main body to prevent "cocking" of the mount. It must be easy to manipulate by gloved or fatigued hands. It must be extremely robust, and withstand shock and impact to the system housing. |
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I don't see anything misleading. Bobro had to design a mount that does what the best in class LaRue mounts does plus add additional functionality. No need to bring a mount to the market that just looks different as some have done. That additional functionality is there and useful in many situations. Not everyone will want or need the additional functionality but the Bobros have it. Innovation is good for the market. LaRue did that when they developed a QD system that was far better than the non adjustable ARMS.
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I have to re-adjust my Larue mounts using a wrench each time I move my scope from a DPMS SASS .308 to a Noveske N4 light. I also have to use the wrench each time I remove or re-attach my scope from either rifle, because in order to keep the scope from moving during firing, the adjustment nuts have to be torqued an additional amount after the throw levers have been pushed in. This has been described by others on this site as well.
Not a huge deal, but something I am willing to pay extra to not have to deal with. I love my Larue stuff, but for my usage, it's not really much of a "quick detatch" system. |
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I have to re-adjust my Larue mounts using a wrench each time I move my scope from a DPMS SASS .308 to a Noveske N4 light. I also have to use the wrench each time I remove or re-attach my scope from either rifle, because in order to keep the scope from moving during firing, the adjustment nuts have to be torqued an additional amount after the throw levers have been pushed in. This has been described by others on this site as well. Not a huge deal, but something I am willing to pay extra to not have to deal with. I love my Larue stuff, but for my usage, it's not really much of a "quick detatch" system. Most people don't use one optic on two rifles. |
Ordered this mount today.
Hope you don't mind me borrowing your pic Marsh. Ordered directly from Bobro, great guy to deal with, I should have it next week. With the mil discount it's a fair bit cheaper than the DMS-1 that will be sitting in it, free shipping to boot. Can't wait to install it, but unfortunatly wont get to shoot it before leaving town for a 3 week job. |
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but is that an ARMS #31 spacer between the bobro mount and the M4s Aimpoint red dot? I doubt that Bobro would design a mount from the ground up and then have to use a part from someone else to make it work. There are close up pics of the spacer you are talking about in the following link. CLICK HERE. |
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I don't see anything misleading. Bobro had to design a mount that does what the best in class LaRue mounts does plus add additional functionality. No need to bring a mount to the market that just looks different as some have done. That additional functionality is there and useful in many situations. Not everyone will want or need the additional functionality but the Bobros have it. Innovation is good for the market. LaRue did that when they developed a QD system that was far better than the non adjustable ARMS. Very good post. Agree 100%. |
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I don't see anything wrong with the mount, but they do seem a bit pricey. If I was going up against a giant like LaRue I'd sell my hardware for a couple bucks cheaper to try and lure people to my product, then once I build a good rep I can price my stuff accordingly.
I figure they will be about on par with LaRue but I'm unaware of their customer service in comparison to LaRue, which is why I buy LaRue. |
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I figure they will be about on par with LaRue but I'm unaware of their customer service in comparison to LaRue, which is why I buy LaRue.
I don't know about on par, but I have not heard much from them either, and LaRue has for years had great products and customer sevice. Same here.....wondering about Bobro. |
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Bobro mounts are more expensive to buy because they are more expensive to manufacture. One look and you will see why.
I spent today swapping optics in LT, Bobro, ADM and standard Aimpoint QRP mounts...I now greatly prefer the Bobro...Is it worth the extra $$$...That is up to you to decide. Weigh your budget against your needs, take a look at the added features. |
| There is absolutely no reason for anyone to get butt hurt over discussing gear. If you like LaRue then that is just great. They make some of the best gear out there. If you like ARMS, well I am sorry about that but most people will never really have to worry about their mounts breaking while they are in the closet or safe. If you like Bobro, ADM etc then good for you too. All of these items have similarities but some go above and beyond what the others do. Get what YOU like and what YOU can afford and be happy with it. There is no need to bash a product because it is not YOUR favorite etc. Enjoy what you bought and if what you bought suits your needs, stick with it. |
| I run an M4s on one of Andy's mounts and as I see it, it's a vast improvement over the stock Aimpoint QRP mount. As far as the Larue mount, I have no experience with them, so I will limit my opinion on them. But if you're looking for the easiest to use mount that requires only to mount your optic in the base and set zero on the optic, then this is the way to go. |
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I don't get how people complain about Bobro being more expensive compared to a Larue. Yet the majority of the Larue users are willing to fork out the extra cash over an ADM.
Bobro extended 30mm $228 Larue SPR-E $215 ADM Recon X $190 Keep in mind this doesn't include any homie hook-ups or mil/leo discount, etc. Just what the avg joe should expect to pay. |
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I don't get how people complain about Bobro being more expensive compared to a Larue. Yet the majority of the Larue users are willing to fork out the extra cash over an ADM. Bobro extended 30mm $228 Larue SPR-E $215 ADM Recon X $190 Keep in mind this doesn't include any homie hook-ups or mil/leo discount, etc. Just what the avg joe should expect to pay. To me, ADM was a blatant rip off of Larue. They used similar pictures, product names/numbers, etc. In short, my loyalties to Larue, his CS, and his ingenuity are why I will pay a few more bucks. Plus I have been nothing but satisfied with the results. |
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I don't see anything misleading. Bobro had to design a mount that does what the best in class LaRue mounts does plus add additional functionality. No need to bring a mount to the market that just looks different as some have done. That additional functionality is there and useful in many situations. Not everyone will want or need the additional functionality but the Bobros have it. Innovation is good for the market. LaRue did that when they developed a QD system that was far better than the non adjustable ARMS. I agree, with the part in red especially. It seems that Bobro has taken a different approach to the mount market and that is a good thing. I love my LT stuff but I think I may give Bobro a shot for my next Aimpoint mount when they come out with a non-cantilever. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bobro mounts whose got one? (Page 1 of 3)
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