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5/9/2009 3:48:51 PM EDT
Just got my first ar (LMT gas piston) and I am having a little trouble with the peep sights.  I have never used peep sights before and it sort of sucks that i can shoot a 100 dollar sks better than my brand new ar at this point.  So first off, any tips on the use of the peep sights.  I can blur the rear ring and focus the front post but just cant get anything consistent to hit paper (shooting at 50 yards).  I think my problem is being able to center the post within the rear sight as its hard for me to see it when i focus on the post.  Secondly, does anyone make a notch rear sight that can be used with the regular front post.  I am going to add an eotech or aimpoint but want to be able to shoot the iron sights consistently.  The answers are gonna have to be dumbed down for me as I am by no means an ar afficionado. Thanks for the replies in advance.
5/9/2009 4:18:15 PM EDT
[#1]
I can understand your frustration because all I had fired for years was with notched open sights.  I think the easiest way for you to transition would be to use the smaller aperture and really focus on developing a good sight picture.  This can take some time and a lot of dry firing, but you can't get me to use anything other than aperture sights now.
5/9/2009 4:18:58 PM EDT
[#2]
I began shooting shortly after I began walking and always shot notch type sights (I still prefer buckhorn sights).  My first exposure to peep sights were on a Daewoo I purchased back when they

were cheap.  I hated the whole concept at first, but after a couple hundred rounds fired, I became addicted to them.  I now actually prefer them to most notch sights.  I don't feel qualified to give a

textbook explanation on their use, but I can advise you to keep your eye close to the rear aperature and with practice, they quickly become second nature.  There are several reasons they are

preferred on a military arm. (speed, simplicity, easy to train recruits, accurate, etc....)  Don't give up on them, they really are great.
5/9/2009 4:27:30 PM EDT
[#3]
I suggest getting your eye closer to it also.  Most new AR shooters don't get close enough, your nose should be touching the charging handle.
5/9/2009 4:42:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Definitely was not that close to the rear sight.  Is there any visual que within the sight to let you know you have the front post centered within the rear sight?  On a pistol sight it is pretty obvious just because of the small amount of space between sight posts but on the peep sights it seems that there is a ton of empty space within your sight pricture especially when using the larger rear sight.
5/9/2009 5:10:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Definitely was not that close to the rear sight.  Is there any visual que within the sight to let you know you have the front post centered within the rear sight?  On a pistol sight it is pretty obvious just because of the small amount of space between sight posts but on the peep sights it seems that there is a ton of empty space within your sight pricture especially when using the larger rear sight.


First off you need to get your eye up close to the rear aperture, the best and ONLY way to shoot an AR iron sight is shoot it Nose To the Charging Handle (NTCH), you will see that quite often as the best advice given to new shooters; unfortunately it is the one advice often completely ignored by most people to their detriment. A picture is worth a thousand word and this same one have served many of use in the military for decades:



It shows you exactly where your nose, cheek should be for a consistent sight picture, that is NTCH, it works every time and is completely fool-proof. Whenever I see people with all sort of weird doodads and tape to make their cheek weld consistent it just makes me scratch my head. Your nose won't grow or shrink much and it will get you the most consistent cheek weld possible on an AR. Note how the FSP and ears should look through the rear peep sight, it takes some time to get used to but a few hundred rounds will solve that problem. And once you get use to it you will see exactly why it is the better choice for a rifle.
5/9/2009 5:34:23 PM EDT
[#6]
Nicely explained bobfried ... I think this will help me as well
5/9/2009 7:19:55 PM EDT
[#7]
You'll find that your eye and brain will naturally try to center the front post in the peep sight.  You're probably not seeing it yet because you're just not used to it.  After a while, though, it just becomes natural.
5/9/2009 7:39:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Centering the post is irrelevant (within reason).  I will state that again, it does not matter (within reason) whether or not the post is centered in your field of view.  One more time, if you are looking through a peep sight, you don't have to center the post in the peep.  Your full concentration (that's 100%) should be on the front post and the front post only.   That being said, your eye really should be as close to the peep as reasonably possible.  

Hopefully this will explain some of the technical aspects of why that is.  

Parallax Suppression with a Target Rifle Aperture Sight

Oh, and the 200m ghost ring is a little different; however, out to 200m you really don't have to worry about centering the post perfectly with it either.



5/9/2009 7:58:12 PM EDT
[#9]
Appreciate the help guys.  Tmw I'll just snug up to the rear sight and not worry so much about centering the post in the rear sight.  I was spending a lot of time trying to get the sight in the absolute center.  Hopefully that will shake it out for me.  Loved the article by the way.
5/10/2009 3:59:14 AM EDT
[#10]
When shooting PCC matches with the UZI, I tend to hit exactly where I want to cause I don't think about it, I just do it. There is no time to line up everything perfectly in a match.



When I made the transition from notch and post to peep/ghost ring, I spent too much time trying to line up everything perfectly, which led to fail.



So in other words, don't spend too much time lining everything up perfectly, it will come naturally, with practice.......
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