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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Elcan Specter DR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/26/2009 7:27:49 AM EDT
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THinking about the Elcan for my new LMT 10.5 inch piston.
I know its expensive and for this kind of money a US Optics (which I have 3 of), or a S&B plus just about anything else is in the same price range. I like the apaarant ruggedness of it and the 1 and 4 power option. It is marketed as having extremely clear glass. I hate the Aimpoint blue tint and I hear the S&B has a similar tint. Would it be a mistake to buy the Elcan Specter DR? Thanks in advance for comments. This is a big decisison!!! |
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I have considered buying the Elcan Spectre DR however the fact that it weighs as much as three 4X ACOGs has turned me off. Having said that I like everything else that it appears to offer. hopefully someone with actual experience with the optic can chime in.
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The Elcan pecter weighs less than a S&B plus Larue mount and is pretty much the same as most 1-4X variables plus mounts. Please keep the weight in perspectoive as the mount is included. The negative seems to be focusd on the included ARMS mount and the dislike for the external adjustments. It has the best magnifed 1X of any optic. The new generation 1X/4X adjustment lever solves the issue with a small ovement of th elever causing a POI shift... it now moves vertically into a detent so it cant be bumped loose or lock in unless its in the correct location. It has both an Aimpoint bright dot for daytime use and fully illuminated crosshairs like a TA01 where you can see the BDC for night time use. No other optic offers this, not even S&B. Battery life is OK becasue it is not stuck using a coin cell. Oh, and the new S&B does not have the same blue tint that is dark like old ones.
If you want to be able to use your optic BAC at 4X for quickly getting things into your crosshairs or making fast suprise close in shots without having to do anything but point and shoot you need a daytime illuminated reticle. The only optics that have this are Elcan Specter DR S&B Short Dot Meopta K-Dot Trijicon Accupoint BAC ACOG with or without supplemental mini red dot Red dot plus magnifier Only the Elcan DR has an illuminated BDC reticle as well as the daytime illumination and its 1X eye relief window and exit pupil are just HUGE and its almost impossible to get a black cressent cming into the FOV becasu you have so much leeway in head position vs all the other choices. |
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The Elcan pecter weighs less than a S&B plus Larue mount and is pretty much the same as most 1-4X variables plus mounts. Please keep the weight in perspectoive as the mount is included. The negative seems to be focusd on the included ARMS mount and the dislike for the external adjustments. It has the best magnifed 1X of any optic. The new generation 1X/4X adjustment lever solves the issue with a small ovement of th elever causing a POI shift... it now moves vertically into a detent so it cant be bumped loose or lock in unless its in the correct location. It has both an Aimpoint bright dot for daytime use and fully illuminated crosshairs like a TA01 where you can see the BDC for night time use. No other optic offers this, not even S&B. Battery life is OK becasue it is not stuck using a coin cell. Oh, and the new S&B does not have the same blue tint that is dark like old ones. If you want to be able to use your optic BAC at 4X for quickly getting things into your crosshairs or making fast suprise close in shots without having to do anything but point and shoot you need a daytime illuminated reticle. The only optics that have this are Elcan Specter DR S&B Short Dot Meopta K-Dot Trijicon Accupoint BAC ACOG with or without supplemental mini red dot Red dot plus magnifier Only the Elcan DR has an illuminated BDC reticle as well as the daytime illumination and its 1X eye relief window and exit pupil are just HUGE and its almost impossible to get a black cressent cming into the FOV becasu you have so much leeway in head position vs all the other choices. Thanks for the prompt and concise review; I will certainly take this inot account for future optic purchases. If the ACR ever becomes available or I can afford a SCAR I will adorn mine with a Spectre DR. Cheers |
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My room mate has one on his STG556 and I am impressed with it. The recticle when set on red dot mode is very bright. Rivaling my Aimpoint. It has a bullet drop compensator as well. The glass if very clear. I am planning on buying one for my N4.
Pat Here it is on his rifle. 
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The Elcan pecter weighs less than a S&B plus Larue mount and is pretty much the same as most 1-4X variables plus mounts. Please keep the weight in perspectoive as the mount is included. The negative seems to be focusd on the included ARMS mount and the dislike for the external adjustments. It has the best magnifed 1X of any optic. The new generation 1X/4X adjustment lever solves the issue with a small ovement of th elever causing a POI shift... it now moves vertically into a detent so it cant be bumped loose or lock in unless its in the correct location. It has both an Aimpoint bright dot for daytime use and fully illuminated crosshairs like a TA01 where you can see the BDC for night time use. No other optic offers this, not even S&B. Battery life is OK becasue it is not stuck using a coin cell. Oh, and the new S&B does not have the same blue tint that is dark like old ones. If you want to be able to use your optic BAC at 4X for quickly getting things into your crosshairs or making fast suprise close in shots without having to do anything but point and shoot you need a daytime illuminated reticle. The only optics that have this are Elcan Specter DR S&B Short Dot Meopta K-Dot Trijicon Accupoint BAC ACOG with or without supplemental mini red dot Red dot plus magnifier Only the Elcan DR has an illuminated BDC reticle as well as the daytime illumination and its 1X eye relief window and exit pupil are just HUGE and its almost impossible to get a black cressent cming into the FOV becasu you have so much leeway in head position vs all the other choices. You left one good scope off your list that does very well. Swarovski 1-6 I have one on my N4 currently but I am going to move it to my Larue Stealth for 3 gun. I plan on putting the Elcan on the N4. Pat 
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I've "researched" the SPECTRE DR, & while I understand the latest-gen havs locking detent for the magnification switch lever & elevation/windage adjustments, that they are external is still a highly criticized issue among end-users due to problems w/ them (apparently still) being prone to impact & altering the settings. I took particular note of the fact that Kevin Boland - who seems to be MIA from here recently - didn't like the SPECTRE DR much at all. I don't know if Elcan ever plans to change this, but it seems to be the only real gripe I've (Increasing battery life to Aimpoint performance levels would be nice, IMO).
In many respects, I think this dual-power style optic represents the potential future of sighting systems, or so I hope. I wish/hope Aimpoint, Trijocon, & others are working on similar short-tube, dual-power optics. Still, the credit must go to Elcan for being the first on the block. If they ever internalize the w/e adjustments & improve the battery life, I'd definitely go for one. Basing my opinions strictly on end-user accounts I've read on teh interwebs, I guess it just seems like a few bugs need to be worked out before I'd consider it to be 100%. My $0.02 |
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I liked mine, It had good day time illumination, the best field of fiew, Good retical and was built like a tank. The down side for me was the size and weight and the cross hairs in the retical were alittle too thick. If you want it, go for it, It won't let you down.
The swaro 1-6 is a great scope as well. |
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I dont know much about the Elcan DR, but since it is issue for the Seals, there must be some good things about it.
However to the OP, I think that would be overkill on a LMT10.5 pistol. Unless you need bragging rights, you may be better off with just a red dot, or an ACOG with piggyback optic, or even an acog with offset red dot. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=256 |
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I like mine, but have only shot about 150 rounds out of it on 4x at 25 yards at an indoor range. Time and shitty weather haven't permitted me a chance to shoot it outside at longer distances.
As for the weight when comparing it to an ACOG, make sure to include the weight of the mount too if installing it on a flat top. The ACOG weighs nothing on its own, but when you install the rail mount that goes with it the weight isn't as far off a people make it out to be. FWIW I sold the 4x ACOG that came with my rifle. When the guy I sold it to checked out the Elcan he loved it. The Elcan also has better eye relief and the dot/BDC are easier to see than the ACOG's. I got mine from Mike at CS Gunworks. He was great to deal with and could help you with any other questions you might have. |
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I want one but i just cant get past the mount. I have heard from many that there are no issues with it but I cant bring myself to rely on the mount. I I really do not have enough experience with the ARMS mounts to say they are good or they suck. The common consensus is they suck. I know that some of the issues are with non-spec rails. I can say that they fit my Colt fine. I have no issues at all with them. I also tried it on my LaRue rail just to see if there were any issues with a non-Colt rail and it fit that with no issues either. |
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I've "researched" the SPECTRE DR, & while I understand the latest-gen havs locking detent for the magnification switch lever & elevation/windage adjustments, that they are external is still a highly criticized issue among end-users due to problems w/ them (apparently still) being prone to impact & altering the settings. I took particular note of the fact that Kevin Boland - who seems to be MIA from here recently - didn't like the SPECTRE DR much at all. I don't know if Elcan ever plans to change this, but it seems to be the only real gripe I've (Increasing battery life to Aimpoint performance levels would be nice, IMO). In many respects, I think this dual-power style optic represents the potential future of sighting systems, or so I hope. I wish/hope Aimpoint, Trijocon, & others are working on similar short-tube, dual-power optics. Still, the credit must go to Elcan for being the first on the block. If they ever internalize the w/e adjustments & improve the battery life, I'd definitely go for one. Basing my opinions strictly on end-user accounts I've read on teh interwebs, I guess it just seems like a few bugs need to be worked out before I'd consider it to be 100%. My $0.02 A lot of the criticism thrown around is from people who haven't used them and are passing on things they have "heard." (as normal for ar15.com  )
The "bumping" or changing of the external adjustments is practically impossible - the elevation one, which is the larger wheel, has a secure movement lockout which prevents rotation unless you are specifically adjusting it. The windage adjustment is flush to the mount and you need a case lip/screwdriver or something to engage it to turn it - bumping/rubbing/etc ain't going to get it done. IMHO, it does pretty much everything well - goes from an aimpoint (but wider field of view) to a 4x acog w/bdc (again wider fov). I've used the older model for some years and finally "upgraded" to the newer. I have never seen any "zero change" moving from 1x-4x. FWIW, it is the new exclusive SOPMOD sight. You will hear people "claim" the mil version has a mounting place for a dr optic type sight on top because the dr "has a different zero at 1x." This is BS, it was due to a solicitation requirement. It's a very effective sight in my opinion, if you want feedback from someone who has actually run one for about 4 years now. For a 10.5", it might be a bit much. |
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To me ACOGs are one of the best optics for an AR15 but the ELCAN is a step above them. I really, really like the flip switch 1x 4x, the big eye piece is also very nice, and the way the illumination works is very nice. The problem is they are hard to get.
Mike @ CS TACTICAL.com CS Gunworks is now CS TACTICAL.com www.cstactical.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks / CS Tactical FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on AR15.com FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on Snipersparadise FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on the HIDE |
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I just purchased what appears to be a Gen 1 for an aboslute steal at the local gun shop. A lot of people seem to knock the ARMS mount. I have no experience with them except with this optic and the ARMs mounts it very tight and to be honest it was a little tough getting it on. The throw lever for changing magnification is awesome. The elevation screw is large and sits flush in the unit. The windage is situated under the optic and there is a locking mechanism for it. The irons that sit on top appear to be pretty tough and are simliar to that of the TA01NSN ACOG. The glass is beautiful and the illumination is a feature I must have on any optic I purchase. It unit as a whole is very large and appears very tough. True, the only negative is that it is on the heavy side but to see all the crap people hang of their ARs or hear about all the vets who have to hump with things from the WW2 era Garands and 1919 to things like the SAW, the Elcan doesn't even compare. I spoke with IOR a couple days ago and their 1/4x scope is coming out in early June. I look forward to comparing them, for those of you intersted I suggest waiting for the IOR scope as it is half the price and made by a very reputable company.
Also, can anyone with an Elcan tell me how to get to the battery pack. I didn't want to force the illumination dial further than it appears it wants to go nor did I want to start removing screws. I bought mine used (and for a steal  ) but it didn't come with a maual or anything.
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If you get the ELCAN from us you will get a 3 year warranty.
Mike @ CS TACTICAL.com CS Gunworks is now CS TACTICAL.com www.cstactical.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks / CS Tactical FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on AR15.com FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on Snipersparadise FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS / CS Tactical on the HIDE |
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My room mate has one on his STG556 and I am impressed with it. The recticle when set on red dot mode is very bright. Rivaling my Aimpoint. It has a bullet drop compensator as well. The glass if very clear. I am planning on buying one for my N4. Pat Here it is on his rifle. http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/355sigfan/Friends%20guns/Augleftside.jpg Your room mate bastard stole my idea! 
I was going to post a question about the Specter DR (and if anyone has tried it on a MSAR), but it paid off to look first. Now there's this IOR thrown into the mix? What's the story on them and why haven't I heard of them? (edit- I've just been to their website (hommina hommina), but I still need to know their reputation.) I knew it would be a matter of time before someone produced a (hopefully more economical) copy of the Elcan. My other question is: are the Elcans cheaper in Canada? |
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Now there's this IOR thrown into the mix? What's the story on them and why haven't I heard of them? (edit- I've just been to their website (hommina hommina), but I still need to know their reputation.) I knew it would be a matter of time before someone produced a (hopefully more economical) copy of the Elcan.
Check out the table on my 1-3,4,6x variable power thread here . What stands out to me about the IOR pit bull and the Elcan DR asside from the fact they are 1/4x instead of 1-4x is the field of view and the exit pupil. At 1x they dominate both of these statistics. I am not sure how this relates to their inability to operate at any of the intermediate magnifications but it appears to be linked. This huge field of view and large exit pupil make these scopes head and shoulders above the rest for close quarters use. I think this 1/4x concept may be the future of these all purpose variable scopes nobody uses any intermediate magnification range anyway. They are certainly worth checking out. I hope one of these days I will catch someone at the range with one so that I can finger it. Also to further answer your question the IOR Pit Bull still hasn't been released so that is probably why you haven't heard a whole heck of a lot about it. |
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Thanks.
I'm set on gettting the Elcan. I'm surprised that after all of the these years, no one has copied it. To add to your comments, turning a magnification ring is great when you have all of the time in the world and your fine motor skills are working. When you're in a hurry and only have gross motor skills, nothing beats flicking a switch... except for having the activation triggered on the handguard or vfg so the user can keep holding the rifle and not have to fumble with it. |
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Elcan Specter DR with 1-4X ––I,ve had many scope with all the other power options 1-4 & 1-10 -everything in between just took up space. I,m about to bite the bullet and buy the Elcan Specter DR with 1-4X looks like a winner Be sure to post some sort of review. Almost every review I have read is from a guy, who knows a guy, who's uncle had one. |
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Here's a review from an owner on the XCR forum. He seems to like it.
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I dont know much about the Elcan DR, but since it is issue for the Seals, there must be some good things about it. However to the OP, I think that would be overkill on a LMT10.5 pistol. Unless you need bragging rights, you may be better off with just a red dot, or an ACOG with piggyback optic, or even an acog with offset red dot. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=256 Friend, dont just assume that because specops are issued something that its a good piece of kit. The elcan is part of sopmod block 2, and so far the complaints are bulk, external adjustments, and a crappy backwards mount. Given the choice, most serious operators prefer either the ACOG, SB short dot, or eotech (all based on mission and availability of course). Most guys who mount them on their weapons soon switch them out for something else. |
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There are all these posts bashing the scope. The funny thing is that of all the posts written, only a minority of the authors actually have experience with one. I think a lot of guys bashing them have only seen pictures of one and read some operator bashing one.
Another thing is that the posts by operators bashing them are all several years old. Since then Elcan made changes to the scope to rectify some of these things. I have one on my rifle and have had 0 issues with it, but the only thing it has seen so far is a couple of trips to the range with about 500 rounds through it. I have had 0 issues with the ARMS mounts (but I do have a Colt) or anything else. People don't like the external adjustment system because they think it COULD change POI if you hit the optic against something such as when exiting a vehicle. I could not find anyone that had experienced this on any of the current model issued. There was one person that complained that his POI kept changing and it was found that he was not locking the adjustment in like you are supposed to. Basically if you want it, go buy it and enjoy it. If you don't then get something else. |
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I've seen a couple of reviews and opinions from folks who use the Elcan SpecterDR in this thread, but there are quite a few opinions from folks who have never mounted and used one. OP, every opinion counts, but I wanted to share my personal experience after owning and using the newer model that I purchased a few months ago. And if you have additional questions, I would be more than happy to answer them if I can. Before I begin, let me clarify that I'm "not" a military operator. I'm just a Civilian who enjoys the hell out of playing with high-end weapon systems. I bought the SpecterDR because of its solid reputation for tank-like durability, its incredible glass, its ability to go from 1x to 4x with the smooth engagement of a lever without losing POI, its NV compatibility, its red-dot brightness, its BDC for the 5.56 ball out to 600, its illuminated reticles, and finally for its range estimation recticle enhancements. To be honest, when I started looking for the right Optic "for me", I did not have a huge list of requirements. But whew, when I completed research on the SpecterDR, man I knew it was the one. Is it heavy? I suppose so; however, I don't carry my AR's 15 miles through the bush or desert every day like some people do or might do for hunting purchases, etc. Folks have already mentioned that the weight includes the mount, so keep that in mind if "weight" is a major purchasing aspect of your decision. Does it retain Zero when removed and replaced? Absolutely...in fact, I've done this as a demonstration on a dozen occasions over the past few months, to prove the concept for my shooting buddies (and to brag, naturally *grin*). Does it perform equally as good at close range as it does out to 600m? Absolutely! What I mean by that is you use 1x for anything out to 100m, using both eyes open; you'll be "amazed" just how fast the target acquisition is and how wide your field of view is. I have an EoTech on another AR and I love that optic too, it's fast. But given the choice, I would pick up the Colt 6940 with the Elcan first if I ever needed to defend myself. I recently joined Tac Pro Shooting Center, to enjoy their 1000yd range. I was there last weekend and took the Colt/Elcan to the 100yd range to perfect the Zero...dead-on. Then I drove over to the long range and setup a man-size paper target. I shot from 300 and then went back to the 400 section. In both cases, I simply used the reticle hold-overs for 300 and 400 respectively and guess what.... both ranges were "dead-on" target. I was so excited! This thing works, and works well....period. If my range had a nicer setup (metal plinkers setup at 100 - 600yrds), I could have "easily" shot dead-on from 100 - 600 within a second of each shot...with each shot hitting the plinkers at various ranges, every time. (When I say every time, I'm not taking wind drift into account...but you know what I mean *grin*) The battery life is outstanding, but that's my personal experience based on my personal usage of the red dot. I haven't had to replace the battery since I bought the scope....it's been 3.5 months and I shoot every other weekend for about 4 hours. I do keep a spare battery in the grip just in case. A buddy asked me a good question a couple of weeks ago; he wanted to know if I was just as fast with target acquisition when using the Elcan as I am when using the EoTech. I replied to him, "man I'm not fighting for my life out here, but at the range I can't tell a difference in the speed between the two". I use them both extensively for a Civilian (about 1200 rounds per month). Do I think this optic has any downsides? I can honestly say no, not for my application and experience with it. Although a life-time warranty would be GREAT. Anyway, I hope this reply was helpful. My only advice would be to enjoy whichever optic you select...the ones listed in this thread are all outstanding systems. |
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There sure are some real class acts over there. I wish I could see pics or something about the problems with the mount and external adjustments. I assume since I have heard it so many times it may be true, but it is always either the only thing someone posts about the optic or they "know a guy" that had problems. |
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I've seen a couple of reviews and opinions from folks who use the Elcan SpecterDR in this thread, but there are quite a few opinions from folks who have never mounted and used one. OP, every opinion counts, but I wanted to share my personal experience after owning and using the newer model that I purchased a few months ago. And if you have additional questions, I would be more than happy to answer them if I can. Before I begin, let me clarify that I'm "not" a military operator. I'm just a Civilian who enjoys the hell out of playing with high-end weapon systems.
I bought the SpecterDR because of its solid reputation for tank-like durability, its incredible glass, its ability to go from 1x to 4x with the smooth engagement of a lever without losing POI, its NV compatibility, its red-dot brightness, its BDC for the 5.56 ball out to 600, its illuminated reticles, and finally for its range estimation recticle enhancements. To be honest, when I started looking for the right Optic "for me", I did not have a huge list of requirements. But whew, when I completed research on the SpecterDR, man I knew it was the one. Is it heavy? I suppose so; however, I don't carry my AR's 15 miles through the bush or desert every day like some people do or might do for hunting purchases, etc. Folks have already mentioned that the weight includes the mount, so keep that in mind if "weight" is a major purchasing aspect of your decision. Does it retain Zero when removed and replaced? Absolutely...in fact, I've done this as a demonstration on a dozen occasions over the past few months, to prove the concept for my shooting buddies (and to brag, naturally *grin*). Does it perform equally as good at close range as it does out to 600m? Absolutely! What I mean by that is you use 1x for anything out to 100m, using both eyes open; you'll be "amazed" just how fast the target acquisition is and how wide your field of view is. I have an EoTech on another AR and I love that optic too, it's fast. But given the choice, I would pick up the Colt 6940 with the Elcan first if I ever needed to defend myself. I recently joined Tac Pro Shooting Center, to enjoy their 1000yd range. I was there last weekend and took the Colt/Elcan to the 100yd range to perfect the Zero...dead-on. Then I drove over to the long range and setup a man-size paper target. I shot from 300 and then went back to the 400 section. In both cases, I simply used the reticle hold-overs for 300 and 400 respectively and guess what.... both ranges were "dead-on" target. I was so excited! This thing works, and works well....period. If my range had a nicer setup (metal plinkers setup at 100 - 600yrds), I could have "easily" shot dead-on from 100 - 600 within a second of each shot...with each shot hitting the plinkers at various ranges, every time. (When I say every time, I'm not taking wind drift into account...but you know what I mean *grin*) The battery life is outstanding, but that's my personal experience based on my personal usage of the red dot. I haven't had to replace the battery since I bought the scope....it's been 3.5 months and I shoot every other weekend for about 4 hours. I do keep a spare battery in the grip just in case. A buddy asked me a good question a couple of weeks ago; he wanted to know if I was just as fast with target acquisition when using the Elcan as I am when using the EoTech. I replied to him, "man I'm not fighting for my life out here, but at the range I can't tell a difference in the speed between the two". I use them both extensively for a Civilian (about 1200 rounds per month). Do I think this optic has any downsides? I can honestly say no, not for my application and experience with it. Although a life-time warranty would be GREAT. Anyway, I hope this reply was helpful. My only advice would be to enjoy whichever optic you select...the ones listed in this thread are all outstanding systems. Do you have a fixed front sight base and if so does it interfere with the DR on 1x ? Can you co-witness through it on 1x power? Where is Tac-Pro? Near DFW area? Thanks, EMSflyer |
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Quoted: Do you have a fixed front sight base and if so does it interfere with the DR on 1x ? Can you co-witness through it on 1x power? Where is Tac-Pro? Near DFW area? Thanks, EMSflyer Hi EMSflyer - great questions. I have two AR's...one with a fixed A2 front sight, and one with a folding front sight. When I first purchased the Elcan, I only had one AR...happened to be the one with the fixed A2 front sight. The fixed A2 "definitely" got in the way for both 1x and 4x. Although, at 4x is was not much of a problem, but the A2 sight does cover up the ranging section of the reticle. Therefore, I had a good excuse to purahse a new AR that has a folding front sight. And yes, at least on a Colt 6940 and Wilson Combat M4, you can co-witness with no issues (lower 3rd of the glass). However, if my glass broke in the field, I would just flip the two levers and remove the glass and go to full irons. So I'm not certain how important co-witness is...but I'm no expert. :) Tac Pro Shooting Center 35100 North State Highway 108 Mingus,TX 76463 http://tacproshootingcenter.com Yup, they are West of Ft.Worth, about 65 miles, right off of I20. It's hot out there in the Summer, but they have an outstanding Gun Shop on site and cold fluids. |
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There are all these posts bashing the scope. The funny thing is that of all the posts written, only a minority of the authors actually have experience with one. I think a lot of guys bashing them have only seen pictures of one and read some operator bashing one. Another thing is that the posts by operators bashing them are all several years old. Since then Elcan made changes to the scope to rectify some of these things. |
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Lightfighter is good for some things, they are usually right and there is a ton of experience there. But if you have a dissenting opinion, even with personal experience to back it up, your going to get gang banged.
My elcan dr has bounced/vibrated around in the trunk of a patrol car for several years on a rifle that's not even in a case and has held zero fine. Now, I don't have 30,000 rounds through it (which is the point where one guy over there said they start loosening up and losing zero  ) but I personally hae had have no complaints or issues, and feel it gives me a big advantage in my job-
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Some of the original DR's HAD POA/POI issues when going from 1-4x. SOME. I had never seen these issues with numerous originals we sold along with one of the first reviews we did here on the ARFCOM. Guess we got lucky http://www.ar15.com/content/products/sights/elcan/ The new 7.62 reticle version along with all of the new 5.56 reticle units are all working very well for what they do. Hope this helps.
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