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I'll do a "first impressions" review of my Burris XTR14 optic.
Someone already posted the reticule diagram, so I'll spare you that. For those that don't know the features: - second plane reticule - true 1x claimed - illuminated center circle, and 100, 200, and 300m dots - BDC based on a 62gr projectile at 3050 fps. - mil-dot spacing on the horizotal reticule lines My XTR is mounted in a LaRue SPR mount, on a CMMG 20" lightweight upper, standard handguards. It's a bit of an odd configuration for a 3 gun gun, but as it happened yesterday this does seem to work well. The rifle has an A1 buttstock, so I did expect some issues with eye relief. I ended up mounting the SPR unit with one of the rail units hanging free over the end to get things to work. I also mounted a zoom ring onto the unit to make changing the magnification easier. The drawback of the mounting arrangement is that I would need one heck of a flat BUIS if I wanted to install one. Photos pending. Sight-in was on Friday; The unit was bore-sighted and leveled in its mount using a Cabelas laser bore––sighter, and with the unit mounted in the Larue unit, mounted in turn in the upper, seemed to have an optical zero pretty much dead on. Sighting in took 15 shots - as in three groups. I generally zero with five shots, not three. One group at 25m to make sure I would not be looking for the group off-paper at 100, and two at 100. The unit claims quarter MOA clicks on windage and elevation (as does the little sticker inside the elevation knob cover), and was only off less than 2" either way from the boresighted zero. Windage and elevation were indeed 1/4 MOA. As expected, subsequent shooting with the unit revealed that the unit did indeed hold zero just fine. At a weight of just over 1 lb, one would expect some degree of durability. Both the reloads I use for 3 gun (a 55gr FMJBT with 25.0 gr of TAC), and Prvi M193 were tested, and found to group the same, much to my relief. Saturday's three gun match went well as well - most of the shots at the local match are about 80 yards at very small steel targets. My head wasn't 100% with it so finding the consistent cheek weld was hard that morning, but from the prone position there was no challenge at all. The glass was clear, and the while the illuminated reticule is not bright enough in full sunlight, it jumps out when the object in the sights is dark, automatically contrasting itself. Good: - bright, clear glass - lit reticule visible on dark objects in daylight - the inverted donut and dots from center on down is a pretty good one, IMO. You can see small objects if you need to, or use the donut for up close targets - rugged enough for 3 gun - 1x can be used with both eyes open Bad: - zoom twist feels gritty - zoom objective has some play in it - it wiggles. Since that's not where the reticule lives, does not affect the zero, BUT I worry about the nitrogen seal. - battery cover is bigger than the rheostat controlling brightness, so fat fingers will loosen the battery cover when turning up the brightness - brightness setting rheostat is NOT graduated in a tactile - there are no clicks, leading to my next point: - the idea of having an "off" position right next to the position for a particular brightness is great IF, and only IF, there are tactile clicks on that dial. Since there aren't, handling the optic has the nasty habit of turning off the lit reticule, or "blinking" when you're looking for the brightness that suits you at the moment. - other than the explanation sheet for the reticule, there were no model-specific instructions included. Only the catalog-style XTR optics manual, with does not list the 1-4x model. There are a bunch of hex screws on there, and I don't know what they do, for that reason. I definitely don't want to pop the nitrogen seal. All but the wiggling objective are minor points (no matter how annoying), so I give the scope a 7/10. Good for 3 gun, and hunting things that don't shoot back. If someone from Burris were to tell me I didn't give the scope a fair shake because it's not working like it's supposed to, then they shouldn't have shipped it this way, IMHO (although in fairness I know more about companies' warranty service for guns, cars, etc than anyone else I know - it's just my luck). I'll post again after a few more matches. |
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Elcan Spectre DR review by Victor Di Cosola of Tactical Night Vision Company:
http://www.ar15.com/content/products/sights/elcan/index.html Elcan brochure: http://www.armament.com/SpecterDR_Dual_Role_Optical_Sight.PDF New Elcan 1.5 x 6 brochure. It doesn't fit the requirements, but what the hell. http://idr.janes.com/public/adlink/ads/1337230.pdf Elcan review by i303 over at XCRforums: http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,714.0.html |
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I fear I have entered the rabbit hole when it comes to these 1-4x optics.
I will post any more that I find along with any reviews or interesting information. It would be nice to get this thread tacked. Ellis Optics (MK-7 Omega) Horus (Talon) I think these meet the requirements, but I'm not sure. I haven't researched them yet. Here is a pretty good disscusion on the topic: http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=807 |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus:
I'll do a "first impressions" review of my Burris XTR14 optic. .....Bad: - zoom twist feels gritty - zoom objective has some play in it - it wiggles. Since that's not where the reticule lives, does not affect the zero, BUT I worry about the nitrogen seal. ......... My Burris zooms very smoothly, firmly. No grit or wiggles. |
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You need to add the Leupold Mk.4 1.5-5x MRT to the mix.
I'm very please with mine on a LT-104 mount. |
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Any more info? Can you fill in anything on the GRSC Combat Rifle Scope?
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Having already invested in a couple N4's and an LMT with an ACOG and EOTech I decided I had to "skimp" a little on a general purpose optic on the 3rd of those for my hunting and gun games purposes - for this year at least.
I went with the Nikon African non-illuminated 1-4x. I've read it's a true 1x and it certainly seems to be to my eyes. http://www.nikonhunting.com/riflesco...an-1-4x20.html Nikon claims this model has quote: "an incredible 20mm-5mm exit pupil range for low-light hunting". FWIW, I don't know A) if that is exactly right or B) how significant that high end at low power is in real use. I just don't know that much about optics. I mounted it in a LT-139 SPR-E and it works great at its listed 4" eye relief although it seems a little shorter than that to me. I've shot it a couple times so far and it's worked very well. 1x feels fast as hell - both eyes open - throw it up and you seem to see the whole world out there (92 feet worth at 100yds). The German #4 will be more than sufficient for my gunning. The return to zero characteristic of the LT-139 works as advertised. I was pleasantly surpised when bore sighting it when after mounting the scope in the LT-139 - it was boresighted as far as I could discern and first rounds downrange at 50 yards were perfect for windage and just 4-5" low. It was a quick zeroing process. I think it'll do until I find a fiber optic and tritium illuminated 1x AND 6X (no in between) with 5.56 BDC for less than a grand. Troy BUIS fits fine. Seems funny my QD mount costs almost as much as the scope but what the heck. http://swfa.com/Nikon-1-4x20-Monarch...pe-P42349.aspx |
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Just ordered a Meopta K dot for my patrol rifle. It arrived today and I got a chance to get it mounted and zeroed. It zeroed in 6 rounds and then I got to shoot some drills. 1 inch dots at 50 yards were a piece of cake to hit. I love the 4X setting outside of 25 yards. In close drills, it seemed awkward but no slower than a RDS. It seemed more accurate in failure drills as my rounds were stacked tight.
The glass seemed to live up to its reputation and was very bright and clear. The illumination worked well and it was very bright out today. About the only problem I had was using it from the left side on 1X. I definitely did not pick it up as quick from the left as I do a RDS. It seems like it will be a perfect optic for my patrol rifle. |
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Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
Here are come pics of the SN-4 on my rifle: I'll get better photos of the reticle tomorrow: http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/77/l_9dcddd93dd5f4e448c966c0342d4cb69.jpg http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/104/l_97b0773d3218422aa862384aada73b9b.jpg 1X no illumination http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/68/l_e769d876ff9548fab6aedfcadca0ffbe.jpg 1X with Illumination http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/112/l_71b7baf11c2342eda87378ca7fb21d9a.jpg 4x with illumination In these pics you can see some of the blocker ring I was talking about earlier in the edges of the FOV. |
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Thank you to the folks who have provided some more information on the Nikon and others. I will update the table as soon as I get the time. I will also be adding the GRSC scope to the table an correcting some spelling errors etc. It has also come to my attention that there exist two different models of S&B 1-4x scopes that have differing stats so I will be adding the newer model.
Also, I have on order an IOR pitbull scope. I simply couldn't resist. It's stats are unbelievable. Hoping its as impressive in person as on paper. I will be adding my review of that as soon as it arrives. |
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On the table on page one... I noticed 480 hours on the SN4 and US Optics told me under 12 hours on max... did they change their illumiation system? The Meopta has a 22mm objective not listed as it is blank. The Elcan Specter has a 32mm objective not listed and the battery lfe is 300-2000 hours. You should add a section for daytime bright illumination yes/no. As far as I know Elcan, Swaro, Meopta, Trijicon, and S&B are all yes and everything else is no.
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I'm bound and determined to find a 1-4x scope for a flat top AR yet. After looking through the forums, looking at the Weaver 1-3x, the Millet DMS1, etc. I think I've narrowed it down to these few:
Weaver 1-3x Leupold 1.5-4x20 Mark AR Riflescope Leupold VX-II 1-4x20mm Rifle Scope w/ Matte Black Finish, Duplex Reticle 56700 Nikon Series Monarch African Riflescope 1 - 4x 20 Matte German #4 Reticle, 8446 Millett 1-4 x 24 DMS, Multi Coat Red-Dot Rifle Scope BK81002 Konus Konuspro M30 1-4x24mm Zoom Riflescope D.30mm w/ Bubble Level 7284 anyone with experience with these that could give some feedback? I'm leaning towards the Leupold (either one), only because they are local for me. But the Nikon also looks good. Main purpose would be for close to midrange plinking/target/varmint shooting, maybe some 3-gun, QCB or home D. Not too worried about the latter 2, as there are more options. Any help would be appreciated. Slo |
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Updated my IOR Pitbull review to reflect the damn thing broke during mounting.
Updated the table on page 1 to include DeVL's edits. Removed battery life estimate from US optics SN-4S scope due to many conflicting reports. I have decided not to include daytime visible yes or no column in the table because it is just to subjective for some scopes it is obvious like the Pitbull being a no but for some like the Leupold CQ/T it is kind of a matter of opinion because the illumination is visible but perhaps not bright enough. |
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Who would have the better optics, Nikon 1x4 or Weaver 1x3 (both the 1 inch models)?
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i have the weaver and it has very good glass is small lightweight, and is true 1x, have a few nikon scopes as well glass is just as good but not knowing which model you are talking about hard to say, probably bigger heavier and longer.
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How is the Weaver in low light?
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Got a chance to run the Meopta in some drills at work yesterday. The first set were at 7 yards. I ran the Meopta with the front scope cover up and down, and there was not change in point of impact with it at 1X. The reticle was a little easier to see with the cover down as it was really bright and we were shooting a white target. Speed wise, I felt as fast as with a red dot and was easily on par or faster than the rest of the line. It just didn't seem as natural. My shots were real close together and closer than with a RDS. Some of this may be due to getting rid of the VFG as I dropped it as it didn't feel as good with the Meopta on the rifle. I may have been controlling the rifle better withouth the VFG, I don't know.
The next set of drills were multiple shoot and no shoot targets inter mixed from 20 to 50 yards, while moving from various cover. I ran these drills on 4X and the illuminated reticle seemed to "glow." I'd snap the gun on target and it seemed like the reticle was finding the target by itself. I tried head shots on all of the targets and they were all in there. Even from the left side, I could pcik up the reticle and target easily, just not as fast, as from the strong side. If only I could close my right eye. I ran some of the support side stations with it on 1X and it was real similar to a RDS. All in all, for the first day of running it hard, I was very pleased. It was much, much nicer on 4X than a RDS and magnifier for me. I liked being able to flip a lever to switch magnifications. Daylight illumination is a must IMHO. Even in my plate carrier, I did not have any trouble with the fixed eye relief of the Meopta versus a RDS. I thought the added thickness might be a problem, but at least from standing, kneeling, and prone it wasn't. |
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An excellent hands-on review of the Meopta. I just wish it was smaller, lighter and fiber optic to solve the battery life issue.
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Got to try the Meopta with a 2032 instead of the reccomended 2354 and noticed a drop of reticle intensity of 50%. 2032 IMO is a pure emergency battery.
A Meopta with the scope cover closed will produce similar reticle shift to using an ACOG. You may not notice it close range but it is there and it is impossible to NOT produce reticle shift in ANY optic doing this. |
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I plan to check the shift at greater distances as I like to know what my gear is doing. I doubt I will ever need to run it with the scope cover down, but I like to know under which circumstances I can if I forget to flip it up or it gets knocked down.
I've tried it before with magnified reticles and the shift was real noticeable so I was happy to see the unoticeable variation on 1X at 7 yards. I wish it was smaller (mostly for looks) and lighter is always better. According to the specs, it is about 1 ounce heavier than my RDS and magnifier but switching back and forth between the two setups, the Meopta felt heavier. The gun did not feel lively to me with the VFG and the Meopta hence getting rid of the VFG. It feels much better without it and more like my other scoped rifles. I guess that's why you have to check everything. I haven't tried it with a 2032 battery and hope to not have to. I do need to get a spare battery to put in the pistol grip. So far so good. I have another rifle instructor class coming up in October so I should have a real good idea how well I like the scope after that. |
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Got a chance to fire about 20 rounds at night with the Meopta. The glass quality was evident as picking up the black steel silhouette from the hill side was pretty easy. The scope seemed real fast on target at night, but it seemed like "smoke" from the muzzle was a bit of a problem. I never remembered this with a RDS and it was the same ammo.
I let another officer shoot it and he had no problem getting hits with it as well. So far so good. |
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I updated / rewrote my two reviews today to reflect the return of the IOR from the shop as well as my thoughts in general.
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COLD, could you please take a few pics of the Z6i illumination in bright light?
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Originally Posted By BigJimFish:
I updated / rewrote my two reviews today to reflect the return of the IOR from the shop as well as my thoughts in general. That's too bad, I was hoping the pitbull would be an economical alternative to the Elcan Spectre DR. Thanks for telling it like it is. Good review. What are you going to buy to replace it? |
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Great thread. I am trying to figure out which one to throw on my BCM middy. I REALLY want the TR24G but man is it hard to find. Trying to decide on getting a Burris and being done, or getting a less expensive Millet and waiting on the Trijicon. |
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Great thread. Thanks for sharing. If I can request something, is it ok to add the TR24 to the chart on the first page? Also, do you have an update on the battery life of some the optics? Thanks.
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Originally Posted By jmart:
Originally Posted By Ando:
Trijicon should be listed as TR24, not TR23. Midway is mistakenly listing it as the TR23. Nikon has a new Monarch African 1x-4x on the way that may fit in this catagory. Nikon Monarch African Nice option to consider. Actually, they have three versions of this scope on their website; 2 non-illuminated versions, either a 1" or 30mm tube, and a 30mm illuminated version. All use the German reticule, the illuminated version just adds a dot at the crosshair junction. I played with these at the SHOT show. The 30mm is a 1.1X and the 1" is a 1x. Very very nice optics. Bill |
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Originally Posted By slowryde45:
I'm bound and determined to find a 1-4x scope for a flat top AR yet. After looking through the forums, looking at the Weaver 1-3x, the Millet DMS1, etc. I think I've narrowed it down to these few: Weaver 1-3x Leupold 1.5-4x20 Mark AR Riflescope Leupold VX-II 1-4x20mm Rifle Scope w/ Matte Black Finish, Duplex Reticle 56700 Nikon Series Monarch African Riflescope 1 - 4x 20 Matte German #4 Reticle, 8446 Millett 1-4 x 24 DMS, Multi Coat Red-Dot Rifle Scope BK81002 Konus Konuspro M30 1-4x24mm Zoom Riflescope D.30mm w/ Bubble Level 7284 anyone with experience with these that could give some feedback? I'm leaning towards the Leupold (either one), only because they are local for me. But the Nikon also looks good. Main purpose would be for close to midrange plinking/target/varmint shooting, maybe some 3-gun, QCB or home D. Not too worried about the latter 2, as there are more options. Any help would be appreciated. Slo On the Leupolds, look at their web site for the "actual" magnification. They "round up" or "down" for their numbers. In other words their VX-2 1-4 is really a 1.6-4.2X and their VX-3 1.5-5X is really a 1.5-4.5X. Kinda of misleading to me. Bill |
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Originally Posted By 3gunbutch:
Ok, I have been lucky enough to field test this scope for the past 6 months or so. So I wanted to share my findings. First things first, this is from the perspective of a 3 gun shooter. It is not meant to provide TE for practical use, only competitive use. My objective was to determine if this scope could be a viable platform for 3 gun competition. My requirements were only that it have true 1x, have a lighted reticle for CQB, provide 4x magnification, and most importantly, prove the BDC is accurate. I mounted the scope with a Larue SPR-E to a newly built JP 18” upper. The rifle is super accurate and allowed me to critique the scope knowing the quality of the rifle. My homework started with developing a load that would accurately compare to the load used to develop the reticle. Several variables needed to be worked out. The reticle was calibrated for a 62 grain bullet coming out of a 14” barrel. Since I planned to shoot only one weight of bullet, a 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, I needed to match the trajectory of the calibrated bullet to my load. Not rocket science if you have the ballistic software to play with. After much trial and error, I developed a load that was really, really close, out to 400 yds. I settled on 25 grains of AA2230 which chronoed to 2,940 f.p.s. Using a 70 yard zero, I was able to verify the bullet paths from 50 out to 300 yds. The 200 and 300 yd aiming points was all I used in the tests. The reticle itself is not complex, but it is a bit “busy”. But let me first say that the illumination is unusable for daylight. Even at it’s brightest, it is not illuminated in sunlight. I even tried two CR2016’s to boost the voltage, but to no avail. It’s fine in a dark room, or low-light, but is unusable as a dot @ 1x in the daytime. That was a bummer. Truly nothing like Trijicon’s stuff. Anyway, at 1x, the reticle is small but still can be used on CQB targets-just takes a keen eye. Having said that, I was more interested in the BDC at longer ranges. And this is where the reticle shines. Using the main aiming point on anything out to 225 yds was spot on. After 225, I settled on using the 300 aiming point, given the zero. Knowing the hold over/unders at those distances is not necessary. I used the scope in some local 3 gun matches, and took it to the R&R racing multigun this summer. Had a long range rifle stage with 8” plates out to 325 yds. Had no problem hitting them. You just have to remember which aiming points to use given the target distance. Laser range finders are good. I’m happy to have the scope. A couple drawbacks that cannot be mitigated. One, it’s heavy…built like a tank. Two, the illumination is worthless in day light. However, the glass seems fine, has a good FOV. I dislike the adjustment knobs as there is not a distinct “click” when adjusting them. Having said that, once you get it zeroed, you never touch them anyway. It holds a zero in the rock-solid Larue mount just fine. Even with it’s drawbacks, I’ll be shooting this scope over a TR21 or TA11. I would like to see a couple things changed in the reticle itself. I realize the design allows for ranging a target. For my application, it’s not needed and actually causes problems. The 300 yd aiming point has a ranging circle around it. When sighting it on a plate at say 300 yds, the outline of the plate is obscured by the ranging circle. Other ranging circles just get in the way for me. I’d clean it up a bit for competition use. Finally, I’d like to thank Ed for bringing his idea to reality. This guy is great to talk to and I wish him luck in getting his reticle into a higher quality scope. If his 1x6 pans out, it will be something to have. I realize the price point will be high, but I’d kill for a light 1x6 with his reticle, as long as it has illumination. |
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Originally Posted By 3gunbutch:
Originally Posted By 3gunbutch: Ok, I have been lucky enough to field test this scope for the past 6 months or so. So I wanted to share my findings. First things first, this is from the perspective of a 3 gun shooter. It is not meant to provide TE for practical use, only competitive use. My objective was to determine if this scope could be a viable platform for 3 gun competition. My requirements were only that it have true 1x, have a lighted reticle for CQB, provide 4x magnification, and most importantly, prove the BDC is accurate. I mounted the scope with a Larue SPR-E to a newly built JP 18” upper. The rifle is super accurate and allowed me to critique the scope knowing the quality of the rifle. My homework started with developing a load that would accurately compare to the load used to develop the reticle. Several variables needed to be worked out. The reticle was calibrated for a 62 grain bullet coming out of a 14” barrel. Since I planned to shoot only one weight of bullet, a 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, I needed to match the trajectory of the calibrated bullet to my load. Not rocket science if you have the ballistic software to play with. After much trial and error, I developed a load that was really, really close, out to 400 yds. I settled on 25 grains of AA2230 which chronoed to 2,940 f.p.s. Using a 70 yard zero, I was able to verify the bullet paths from 50 out to 300 yds. The 200 and 300 yd aiming points was all I used in the tests. The reticle itself is not complex, but it is a bit “busy”. But let me first say that the illumination is unusable for daylight. Even at it’s brightest, it is not illuminated in sunlight. I even tried two CR2016’s to boost the voltage, but to no avail. It’s fine in a dark room, or low-light, but is unusable as a dot @ 1x in the daytime. That was a bummer. Truly nothing like Trijicon’s stuff. Anyway, at 1x, the reticle is small but still can be used on CQB targets-just takes a keen eye. Having said that, I was more interested in the BDC at longer ranges. And this is where the reticle shines. Using the main aiming point on anything out to 225 yds was spot on. After 225, I settled on using the 300 aiming point, given the zero. Knowing the hold over/unders at those distances is not necessary. I used the scope in some local 3 gun matches, and took it to the R&R racing multigun this summer. Had a long range rifle stage with 8” plates out to 325 yds. Had no problem hitting them. You just have to remember which aiming points to use given the target distance. Laser range finders are good. I’m happy to have the scope. A couple drawbacks that cannot be mitigated. One, it’s heavy…built like a tank. Two, the illumination is worthless in day light. However, the glass seems fine, has a good FOV. I dislike the adjustment knobs as there is not a distinct “click” when adjusting them. Having said that, once you get it zeroed, you never touch them anyway. It holds a zero in the rock-solid Larue mount just fine. Even with it’s drawbacks, I’ll be shooting this scope over a TR21 or TA11. I would like to see a couple things changed in the reticle itself. I realize the design allows for ranging a target. For my application, it’s not needed and actually causes problems. The 300 yd aiming point has a ranging circle around it. When sighting it on a plate at say 300 yds, the outline of the plate is obscured by the ranging circle. Other ranging circles just get in the way for me. I’d clean it up a bit for competition use. Finally, I’d like to thank Ed for bringing his idea to reality. This guy is great to talk to and I wish him luck in getting his reticle into a higher quality scope. If his 1x6 pans out, it will be something to have. I realize the price point will be high, but I’d kill for a light 1x6 with his reticle, as long as it has illumination. Nice review. What scope was it? |
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That was 3GB's review of the discontinued first gen GRSC CRS, based on the Millet DMS chassis.
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Originally Posted By UPSguy:
COLD, could you please take a few pics of the Z6i illumination in bright light? Totally forgot about this thread. I will give it a try this weekend. In the mean time, here is 3 guns all running Z6is... good times Swaro Z6i 1-6 Variables in use by the NST |
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