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10/23/2007 5:10:40 PM EDT
I am looking to remove the carry handle on both my Colt 6920 and Bushy M4 clone. I want to mount either an eotech or aimpoint on both. I've read a bunch of stuff saying to go with a good fixed A2 sytle rear sight that has the elevation and windage adjustments and two locking screws for the rail. Can you co-witness with this type of rear sight? I hear everyone likes the ARMS #40 but it has no rear elevation? Anyone tried or has opinions on the Wilson Combat flip up rear?
10/23/2007 5:15:22 PM EDT
[#1]
I've used the Matech for both my military M-4 and I bought one for my M4gery.  I liked it.  
10/23/2007 5:15:38 PM EDT
[#2]
I don't see elevation as being needed on a BUIS, it is a backup and works fine with no elevations, of course you want windage.  The arms is very popular but take a look at Troy as well.  No experience with the Wilson Combat
10/23/2007 5:20:19 PM EDT
[#3]
Troy, or for a few less $$$, MI.
10/23/2007 5:27:12 PM EDT
[#4]
I've used a bunch of folding ones and I'm digging the Larue these days.  It's simple, secure, stable, relatively cheap, and plain works.
10/23/2007 5:33:44 PM EDT
[#5]
I like Knights, ARMS and Troy.
10/23/2007 5:40:27 PM EDT
[#6]
I like the ARMS #40...snaps up smartly into place with the flick of your thumb (spring loaded).  Haven't had any problems with it.  Subjectively, I don't like having to flip the peep to get it to lay flat (won't lay flat with small peep "up").

I really liked my GG&G A2 (rock solid), but felt I should've gotten the MAD (lower profile).

I'm using a Matech at the moment, but don't have much time with it to comment much.

I'm using the Troy sight and it works well too.

No time with the Wilson sight, but IMO the elevation is unnecessary and it's quite expensive for a BUIS.

Hope this helps, good luck

10/23/2007 5:44:24 PM EDT
[#7]
I like the KAC 300m or 600m. If you're the type who believes you need to keep the BUIS in the up position at all times with non-magnified optics they take up the least amount of the sight picture.
10/23/2007 5:44:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Best flip-up with elevation?  KAC 600M

Best flip-up period?  Troy

Best Fixed?  LaRue

10/23/2007 5:51:05 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Best flip-up with elevation?  KAC 600M

Best flip-up period?  Troy
With GG&G's A2 being the first runner-up.

Best Fixed?  LaRue
With the LMT being the first runner-up
10/23/2007 6:01:53 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Best flip-up with elevation?  KAC 600M

Best flip-up period?  Troy

Best Fixed?  LaRue



I agree.
10/23/2007 6:05:22 PM EDT
[#11]
My personal favorite is the Matech, I have 3 of them...
10/23/2007 6:10:17 PM EDT
[#12]
GG and G is my personal favorite and what I will always buy. Troy and A.R.M.S are some other good ones.
10/23/2007 6:13:25 PM EDT
[#13]
LaRue for a fixed, use this on my Mk18 clone

Troy for a folding, use these on my AR10A4.

Have owned LMT fixed, KAC 300M folding, ARMS 40, GG&G Mad.

I like everything about the LMT except where they put the locking screw. If they put it on the opposite side, away from the charging handle, I think they would tie with LaRue.
10/23/2007 6:29:06 PM EDT
[#14]
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=206233

Troy, KAC, Matech, ARMS, and MI get my vote
10/23/2007 6:39:14 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Best flip-up with elevation?  KAC 600M

Best flip-up period?  Troy  KAC 600M

Best Fixed?  LaRue  LMT



10/23/2007 10:06:17 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
+ 1 for Troy  

+2 for Troy
10/23/2007 10:17:10 PM EDT
[#17]
I don't know why people have such a hard on for ARMS sights. I've got two, they're nice - but it ends there. Honestly, I like my YHM sights a lot better.

I guess I'm just not a huge fan of spring tension. I prefer a detent to lock the sight in place, like Troy, MI, YHM and all those other sights.


10/23/2007 11:43:31 PM EDT
[#18]
+1 for matech
10/24/2007 12:21:45 AM EDT
[#19]
+1 for ARMS 40L

ETA:  Page 2 ownage!
10/24/2007 12:24:43 AM EDT
[#20]
in my opinion...anything that doesn't have springs or detents.  I prefer a fixed style BUIS just for simplicity sake because no need to fiddle or hit something to deploy it since it is always up and there (though i understand that it isn't an option with magnified optics or dual optic setups, but I run neither of those).  If I did need a folding one the only thing that I'd require it to have is a dual aperture and as simple as possible.

My motto is always that the simple solution is generally the best solution (i.e. K.I.S.S. theory)
10/24/2007 2:31:48 AM EDT
[#21]
I have a ARMS 40 on my BACK UP LMT M4 / bushy

and on my go to Complete LMT Defender 2000 M4 I have ARMS 40 L same plane

wich I like alot better!

Both are WELL made and PROVEN in the Field

I also like the TROY with same plane APS

Some troys that I looked at had the aPS hole drilled backasswards? Im sure they have fixed this PROBLEM


BTW with my 7 yr old Aimpoint I dought I will ever need my buis

Now my 551 eotech  Im so glad yo have a BUIS
10/24/2007 2:36:01 AM EDT
[#22]
Larue fixed BUIS.
10/24/2007 5:01:53 AM EDT
[#23]
Through this board I meet a Spec Forces Capt with 4 combat tours to the sand box. He's been there, done that of course and is a super nice guy to boot.

One of the things he has done while taking and returning fire in a CQB environment is switch from his optic to BUIS "right damn now". He said there just wasn't time to fiddle around with buttons, switches, springs etc.

In combat he runs an LMT BUIS behind an Aimpoint and not because it has an elevation adjustment. I imagine something like a Larue would be just as good or better. I think the LMT looks mo betta cool but I'm not talking cool just function here.

I run ARMS #40 (and 40L), Troy BUIS and LMT. When I'm playing (all the time really)they all work great.

My SHTF home land defense weapon sports an Aimpoint with an LMT BUIS. My trunk gun has an LMT BUIS that I use as a stand alone sight. I can always throw on an Aimpoint or Eotech for a match no problem.

YMMV
10/24/2007 5:04:31 AM EDT
[#24]
A.R.M.S. 40L
10/24/2007 5:06:50 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Through this board I meet a Spec Forces Capt with 4 combat tours to the sand box. He's been there, done that of course and is a super nice guy to boot.

One of the things he has done while taking and returning fire in a CQB environment is switch from his optic to BUIS "right damn now". He said there just wasn't time to fiddle around with buttons, switches, springs etc.

In combat he runs an LMT BUIS behind an Aimpoint and not because it has an elevation adjustment. I imagine something like a Larue would be just as good or better. I think the LMT looks mo betta cool but I'm not talking cool just function here.

I run ARMS #40 (and 40L), Troy BUIS and LMT. When I'm playing (all the time really)they all work great.

My SHTF home land defense weapon sports an Aimpoint with an LMT BUIS. My trunk gun has an LMT BUIS that I use as a stand alone sight. I can always throw on an Aimpoint or Eotech for a match no problem.

YMMV



I have a Complete LMT DEFENDER M4 14.5 arms 40lsp  Larue canti/ML2 aimpoit

and a BACK UP Bushy/LMT M4 14.5 arms 40  EOTECH 551


I love LMT

BUT HATE HATE there so called BUIS
10/24/2007 7:44:19 AM EDT
[#26]
+1 for ARMS 40
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