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Posted: 1/6/2007 9:50:23 PM EDT
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I received my copy of SHOT Business today, and there is a big two page ad from Trijicon with their new product releases for 2007. Of note: 1.) The TA33, 3x30 Compact ACOG. Shows a chevron reticle with bullet drop to 600m. First time ever in a compact ACOG. No other stats given, nor an MSRP 2.) Trijicon RedDot. This is a mini-red dot, and it looks identical to a Jpoint. All the usual features for this type of sight. Listed at 8MOA (too big) and also with "reliable, durable and parallax free clear polymer optics." I can't quite tell from the picture, but it looks like a polymer hood too. So, plastic lens, hood and 8MOA combine to make this one less than ideal. I also don't see a switch on it, so I imagine it requires the hood to shut it down. I think the new Burris Fast Fire is the better choice (alloy construction, glass lens and on/off switch.) 3.) ACOG (ECOS). 4x32 ACOG with fiber optic illumination, Docter MRD and Dark Earth Brown color! The reticle looks hot too. It is a similar reticle to the TA31DOC, with the center portion illuminated but BDC lines out to 1,000 and much thinner posts on the outer ends. I find it telling that this combat rated optic has a Docter on it, and not the Trijicon branded MRD... Should be interesting to get hands-on in a few days at SHOT. My scanner is acting up, otherwise I'd scan the ad and post it.... |
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IMHO every company that charges even close to a premium price for their products should also stand behind their products with a strong warranty. This one year limited lifetime bullshit that most companies run off the assembly line is just a way of saying "expect our cheap ass trash to break and not get anything back for the money you plunked down". However, the companies that have awesome warranties are usually the ones that don't need it. I'm fairly certain Leupolds and Trijicons ever have any major problems that require it to be sent back to the manufacturer. So when you pay the premium price for products like those are you really paying for their warranty? |
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was looking forward to the chevron, but htey made it a mini acog and not a compact acog. big mistake. should've taken the existing 3x, new ereticle and done with it. the jpoint is genius, I don't know much about it, but SOCOM wants a militarized MRD, and whoever maeks it first will make alot ofmoney. |
The ARMS mount pictured is the 19LD, it's lower and shorter than the 19S, and with two throw levers. I love mine    I don't quite agree with the dreamy "When LaRue is the option, LaRue is the answer" statement, I simply don't believe it's that black and white, because very few things are. The 19LD is an excellent mount. It seems to me anything made by ARMS is immediately dismissed out of hand, no need to go into what I think may be some of the reasons for this phenomenon. ARMS levers are not adjustable, other than that, can anyone say anything bad about the 19LD? ETA: we wuv you Altav!
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Duff, The statement I made of "Why they chose to use an ARMS mount is beyond me... " is MY opinion which is based on MY experiences. As for why I like LaRue mounts better than ARMS, here are my reasons: 1) I hate the ARMS throw levers. From MY experience, they are either too loose or so hard that you need pliers to open - which for me has led to two things happening: a) The levers are so loose that the mount will move back and forth. b) The levers can be so stiff that you can break one. 2) While I only know one side of the stories, I don't like what I’ve heard about their business practices. 3) Mark LaRue is a hell of a guy and has gone out of his way to help me out. It's pretty nice when the owner of a company will take the time out to shoot the sh*t with a customer on more than one occasion. I don't know how many times I've e-mailed ARMS with no response... But other than that, when are you getting a URX? 
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Altav, I can honestly say I cannot disagree with anything you pointed out, I've experienced the problems you mention with ARMS levers, heard stories about what Dick had done, and benefited from Mark's generosity. I haven't had to contact ARMS for anything yet (I chose to live with my 19S mounts that move back and forth), I don't doubt your experience with contacting ARMS isn't unique. RE: the URX, now I'm waiting to see what happens with KAC now that DD won the contract, as always, it's the installation that remains the road block  |
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There are probably a whole host of reasons they have selected the ARMS over LaRue. We won't know, unless Trijicon themselves tell us. It could be that ARMS was willing to do the mount in FDE and LaRue wasn't (or couldn't.) I don't have any problems with my ARMS stuff, but I can say that almost all of my throw levers are LaRue products. I will say that I like the tab on the ARMS throw levers better, and I wish LaRue's had that. Having steel cam and slide directly against aluminum isn't ideal in my opinion. Also, I don't think the Trijicon MRD will qualify as a military ruggedized version. From the picture and description of components, it is just a rebranded JPoint. I wouldn't be surpised to find out it is sourced from the same outfit that does the JPoints. |
How about "E-mailed arms MULTIPLE times with no reply", and how about because they make cheap shitty products with holes that strip wayyyy to fricken easily. I know if I ever stripped a LaRue that they'd trip over themselves to get a new one out to me. Booo Arms mounts, Yay LaRue! The statements are 'dreamy' because Larue makes his products with a special ingredient...love. |
Correct. the ECOS has a Docter-marked MRD on it. The Trijicon RedDot looks totally different than the Docter, and looks identical to the JPoint. Maybe if I can get the damn scanner working today.... ETA: Ok, got the scanner working....   
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Can anyody post a picture of the ECOS reticle? Thanks Found it www.trijicon-inc.com/pdfs/acog.pdf |
What do you mean they made the TA33 a mini and not a compact. i don;t understand. I also heard this ACOG has great eye relief |
Nathan ETA: NVM, it looks like they just changed the look of the caps compared to the TA01NSN. |
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