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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:10:28 PM EDT
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The best mount on the market for a scope is the LaRue Tactical SPR. C4 www.GRTactical.com 
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:12:53 PM EDT
[#2]
That looks nice but I am realy looking for one that mounts with screws instead of throw levers, just my personal prefferance realy.
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Posted: 2/25/2006 9:33:45 PM EDT
[#3]
Nightforce makes a nice mount but I prefer the Larue SPR mount. The levers are more convenient and I think they are more secure with the new lock.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 4:50:00 AM EDT
[#4]
Hmmm I have never actually heard anyone say that. Can you tell me what benefits this would give you (would like to learn)? I can think of many negatives as to why screws are bad (back out, no repeat zero, require a tool to remove, etc, etc). C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 5:26:53 AM EDT
[#5]
My ACOG on my rifle in Iraq had thumb screws, it never backed out and it always returned to zero if I removed it, however the VITAL IR laser I had was equiped with ARMS levers and it would slide forward and backwards on the rail of my M4. Even my friends M4 that has a lever mount Comp M2 does the same thing, it makes me not trust them.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 6:28:20 AM EDT
[#6]
Larues throw lever design is much better than ARMS for a few reasons, but the main advantage of the Larue design is that you can adjust the amount of tension it takes to secure the levers. This helps for those out of spec rails or rails that are just worn a little. I do prefer the Larue mount because I think the throw lever is superior but if you prefer the thru bolts find a mount you like and try it, if it's from a reputable company, it will be fine.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 6:33:37 AM EDT
[#7]
Thanks, I might try the LaRue levers out then. I still feel iffy about having something with throw levers on it. I will never be needing to quickly detach the scope so to me I feel the screws would be fine for me and give me a better piece of mind too.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 7:04:20 AM EDT
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Armalite is great if returning to zero is not an issue...otherwise I would say Larue is the best. I've never had an issus with throw levers on mine. |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:04:33 AM EDT
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If you paint witness marks on knobs, you can get pretty close (within 1MOA). I think if you were using a precision weapon and shooting good ammo, you would have found that your ACOG didn't actually return to zero (was close though). The ARMS mount becoming loose on the rail is a normal thing. The great thing about the LT levers is that they are adjustable so this cannot happen. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:05:50 AM EDT
[#10]
I like to remove my optics from the weapon when I am doing maintenance and or just cleaning them (as I tend to drop things).  C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:34:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Mk 262 mod 1 was the ammo and I was working on a sniper team, witness marks were painted on the knobs and it did return to zero every time, the entire year there, and I removed the optics every few days during cleaning after returning in from the field, didnt have a problem removing them with the knobs either. I dont intend to get in a pissing match with you over this, I am just asking a damn question.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:38:46 AM EDT
[#12]
No pissing match, but it is nearly impossible to get EXACT repeat zero out of knobs (unless you are using a torque wrench set to an exact weight). If you did it then great, but your about the only person I have known to do this repeatedly. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:40:48 AM EDT
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Everyone I worked with that used the ACOG (almost all of them) had the same results on their zeroes. I did not, nor did anyone I work with that I can ever recal, have to re zero the whole time there, just confirm was all.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:43:33 AM EDT
[#14]
Also, my laser, which was held on by an ARMS mount, never stayed zeroed, but that was probably just because it was a crappy laser.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:53:08 AM EDT
[#15]
Could have been the laser (does happen), but could have also been the mount (as they are known to come loose). C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 10:55:19 AM EDT
[#16]
Oh the mount was crappy, all the ARMS levers I have seen wore down quick in real world use. I can understand that if someone has it on a rifle they take to the range and use it might last a long time but in real world, hard, every day use they suck. Thats why you can not convince me a throw lever mount will be any good.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:00:34 AM EDT
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As I said before, if you were shooting out of chrome lined A4's (for instance) the accuracy ability of these weapons is not good enough for anyone to have noticed that their optics were .5-1MOA off. Below is a pic of three, 5 shot groups I fired off of a bench using a 24X scope, a Noveske barrel and and a thumb screw mount. I shot a group, removed the optic, remounted the optic and shot another group. As you can see the the groups walked on me as I couldn't get the optic back to the exact zero I had before. C4 
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:03:33 AM EDT
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To compare an ARMS lever to a LT lever is like comparing a Ford LTD to a Lexus LS 430. I would suggest that you do a little more research (especiall on the 10-8 forums) about the LT levers before you snub your nose at their repeat zero capability. As an FYI, most of the top tier SF guys are running LT mounts. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:03:42 AM EDT
[#19]
I can see where it could lose .5 MOA off the zero but I can still not be convinced to use a throw lever for the reasons posted above. I remember when the ARMS was the mount to have, and if you said it would not hold a true zero you were crucified for it but I have seen this happen with them so many times.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:06:01 AM EDT
[#20]
You know what, I am just going to go with rings and a torque wrench.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:15:18 AM EDT
[#21]
This a good choice. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:16:33 AM EDT
[#22]
1" high 30 mm rings you think? Supporting a Super Sniper scope?
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:24:12 AM EDT
[#23]
Seems to me you and I had this very same argument about the ARMS levers 2 years ago didnt we?
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:35:00 AM EDT
[#24]
Doubt it. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:36:09 AM EDT
[#25]
1" high is a little low to me. Somewhere between 1.3-1.5 is my preference. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:38:09 AM EDT
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I am almost posative we did, IIRC you told me how much the SF guys loved that mount and that the thumb screws were inferrior to them, I think it was over flashlight mounts instead tho.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:38:47 AM EDT
[#27]
From base to base or center to base? |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:47:55 AM EDT
[#28]
Flashlight is kind of a diff. thing than optics. I like levers on flashlight (no matter whose lever) as I can quickly remove the light (don't have to find a tool to remove it). C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:48:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Center to base. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:51:21 AM EDT
[#30]
The reason I brought it up is that I thought you were useing as an example the use of the ARMS as an optics mount. I am almost posative of it.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:52:46 AM EDT
[#31]
Thanks for the info on the rings. I am thinking about useing the Burris Xtreme tactical rings, I know they are not the uber cool mounts everyone else likes but they are very good from what I hear.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:56:52 AM EDT
[#32]
I have used the ARMS #22 rings on a couple of my AR's. This was the only choice that was available if you wanted a QD mount. It wasn't/isn't the perfect solution, but it is all we had at the time (the best of what's around). We now how LT lever's which are nothing like the ARMS lever (adjustable, solid billet heat treated SS, etc). I am willing to bet if you tried the LT SPR, you would NEVER go back to any mounts with knobs.  C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 12:09:14 PM EDT
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Grant, if you want to donate one to me to test I would be happy to
Most of my rifles see hard use, I dont baby any of them except my BDL. I dont usualy remove my scopes from my rifles so QD realy is not very important to me.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 12:21:25 PM EDT
[#34]
hey man
Just adding my $.02 here. I have worked extensively with all mounts discussed here, Nothing and I mean Nothing repeats Zero Like LaRue Mounts period. I understand your hesitation, especially after using ARMS mounts, But this is a completely different animal. I have never been that successful with the TA51 (ACOG) mount and I and Many, many , many others in uniform will tell you the same thing, If you have to take off the site regularly, for cleaning, maintenance, etc. as we always do, nothing beats a LaRue. Grant was not trying to piss you off he is just trying to save you some money and head aches, You can get any mount you want, then after a few weeks, months, etc when you start learning more about the newest technology in Mounting equipment, You'll be back to buy one, believe me, we've all been there. We're all here just to give friendly advise just like you asked for, thats all. Good luck and do a search on LaRue, read some of the feed back from the field, You'll see, I promise you'll never use a Screw mount again. good shoot'n chuck |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 12:39:39 PM EDT
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I am just going to go with regular rings. I appreciate the help and all but I am just not going to mess with it. I am in uniform (11B20) and I do use the TA51 mount but have not had problems with it ever but I do believe you that you are having great success with LaRue and I might get one someday but I am just not ready for them yet. I dont plan to take this scope off the rifle at all, as I dont do this with any of my precision rifles so having to have it return to zero makes no real difference to me, this is the part I think you are not understanding.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:18:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Call up LT, they may very well hook you up. C4 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:28:57 PM EDT
[#37]
Nahh, I was just joking about that. I am not too good not to pay for my toys.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:36:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Your Correct,
I thought you were looking for something that could be quick on and off . For precision Rifle rings many like badger as well but they are pricey. chuck |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:45:26 PM EDT
[#39]
Grant,
What do you think about a LT SPR atop an ARMS SIR? Too high? I'm looking for a mount for my 42mm objective lense Super Sniper. |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:48:48 PM EDT
[#40]
To high IMHO. C4 |
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