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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - EO-Tech Versus Aimpoint M2 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/13/2005 5:45:46 AM EDT
| hug.gifI am a soldier about to deploy very soon back to the sand box. This will be my 3rd time. I have always been issued an Aimpoint with my M-4. I have been reading and seeing allot of people with EO-Tech HOLO sights on there M-4 style rifles, every one from SWAT to Civilian Contractors in Iraq. If the E)-Tech is a better Reflexive sight I will be sure to purchase one personally. I have not had the luxury to use both sights as of yet. I have used Aimpoints, ACOGS and even ELCAN's for the M-4 and 240G. My question over all is which is a better sight for CQC and fast target acquisition? EO-Tech or Aimpont? |
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Its up to the user as to which is a better optic. I'm prior service, and a city cop, and for close in work, I don't think there is anything that current beats the Eotech. All of our teams use them as well. I've got friends in 1st Group running Eotechs, and like they have commented, "Aimpoint was nice, but Aimpoint is old technology". The down side is that the Eotech goes through batteries, with the AA lithium life of roughly 1,000 hours. The Aimpoint wins the battery debate every time. |
| I have a EOtech and it is very easy to find the target quickly with. With that said I do not own a aimpoint I have a elcheapo reddot on my mini14 and I times I lose the dot.For Longer range shooting with the EOtechI turn down the brightness ,it really sqeezes the dot size down. |
| Stick with the Aimpoint. I just purchased my fisrt EOTech for my duty rifle and I amd not happy with it. After all of the hype that I heard about it, I think that they are overrated after getting one mounted on my rifle. I kick myself for not saving for a while longer and getting an Aimpoint. Just like everything else, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! |
So how much do you plan on selling it for? 
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Aside from that you didn't pay enough, what didn't you like about it? |
Thanks for asking  , but unfortunately, I am going to have to look through the thing for a while. With the holidays coming up, I won't be able to replace it just yet.
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What I do like about it is: The nice large clear window to quickly use rion sights through. I purchased the 511 to replace the Reflex NSN that I had and I do like the reticle on the EOTech BUT, when I got it mounted on my rifle, it tilts WAY to the left, enough so that it is bothersome to look through. I contacted Mr. Finnegan at EOTech concerning the matter and they said that the receivers not being true could have something to do with it. They sent me another sight and while waiting, I placed my sight on another rifle (Rock River) and it also sat leaning far to the left. When I got the replacement, it also sat leaning to the left. Another trooper just purchased a new Rock River M4gery and he also bought an EOTech 511 and it tilts to the right on his rifle. I just think that a sight should sit true on the rifle, I don't really think that is too much to ask for.  On a side note, Dennis Finnegan from EOTech was GREAT! He bent over backwards to help me and the customer service from EOTech was superb, I'm just not happy with the product.
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Interesting, I have seen that happen on an upper from my department, and the issue was the upper receiver being out of spec. The same unit fit fine on other rails and other make uppers. I understand your lack of happiness, but it this case, I'm not sure its directed correctly. Either way, its a duty weapon so make sure you get it up and running. Us city cops enjoy coming out to play with you guys, but we understand we can't always be there to save you..... Just giving you a hard time, I hope everything gets squared away for you, and you may want to have your training/ range section verify that you everything is in spec on your upper. The underneath of the rail could be milled a little "off" and be causing the problem. RRA has had a bad run of uppers in the past IIRC.Stay safe. |
My rifle is a Colt, I have a hard time believing that all three reveivers, from two different manufacters were all out of spec! |
Have Eo's on a RRA and a Colt...no tilt problem on either. Suspect your rifle..... . I could be wrong.VERY pleased with the EoTech. Have used Aimpoint and other red dot optics before. Find the reticle on the Eo quicker and, as stated above, MUCH more precise at distance when intesity is turned down. As for the lone positive of the Aimpoint (in my opinion anyway!), the battery life. I'm local PD, not USGI so I don't worry about the battery life very much. Further, the "N" batteries are readily available around me at Meijers, WalMart, etc.. I like the stubby compact size of the N batery EoTech. Further, I carry a spare set of N batteries in my MIAD grip and spare set of three CR123 3 volts for my weaponlight in my Vltor stock....so doubt battery life will ever be a problem. Cheers! |
If it was my rifle, then why would my carry handle not tilt that far to the left? If you would see how far it is tilted, then you would understand. I would have been able to tell with the carry handle. |
Hard to believe all three were out of spec (assuming they weren't all older RRA...)
Oops. Missed it was three....sounds not so good. Hmmm. Not to be a knob (no comments from the peanut gallery!) but three recievers and two EoTechs ALL out of whack? Could you be mounting it wrong? It is possible to not get it seated flat on the rails and still tighten it up so it "feels" like it is installed...... With the Eo's we're not talking about knock-off crap construction...I find it difficult to believe that two of them were built wrong....HEY! I could be wrong but....they're not junk. Anyway, good luck on fixing the problem or replacing the unit! |
Nope, I mounted mine numerous times on my rifle and the sight was mounted by the owner of the one Rock River on his and the owner of the other Rock River mounted his 511, unless were are all wrong, and one is a gunsmith! I'm not saying that they are junk, I'm just not happy with what I got. |
Any chance you can get a picture of it with a digital camera? |
Aimless, if you take an Eotech and put it on without pushing it all the way onto the rails on both sides, it looks like that. Its pretty evident when you see it that it isn't correct. If he tried it on three different model uppers, it kind of limits it to two other areas. I doubt all three were out of whack. |
I have an eotech actually, I managed to get mine mounted. Hard to believe that if it was possible to put it on cockeyed three times I got it on right the first time.   |
Well put...thats what I was trying to explain..in my broken english! |
| I've owned an Aimpoint M2 but then decide to try the Eotech. I prefer the Eotech now because for me I can acquire a target faster. If you like the Aimpoint then stick with it, try the Eotech out first to see if you really prefer it over the Aimpoint...Just my .02 Stay safe out there...D |
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rifletotinbadboy First off, Thank you for your service. Good luck, have fun and come back safe. You are use to the Aimpoint so that's a plus. I have an Aimpoint and like it. I haven't messed with Eotechs too much so can't comment on them. A lot of people like the Eotech and a lot like the Aimpoint. If you can, before you are deployed, try an Eotech and see if you like it. |
Actually, I have an EOTech mounted on my Sage chop-mod M-14 stock and it too cants ever-so-slightly to the left. However, it sat straight when I had it on my Colt M4 (I tend to play "Rotate the Optics" quite often!). Maybe it IS an out-of-spec rail. For $679 that Sage oughta have lips in addition to in-spec everything! |
| Thanks I plan to make it back in one piece again! he All in all he stated that the Aimpoint was better for our/my applications (19D30B4 Scout/Sniper) Thank you all for the input! I plan on giving Hagee hell!! |
| Ummmmm Read again, I said Delta uses BOTH! I was wondering which one is actually better. I have my answer afetr reading most of the post ups from other users. I plan on trying a EOTech out next week. Just because guys are "DELTA" does not mean that EOTECH is the answer. Example, theres TONS of tcatical gear out there on the market. Pouges always but it all. When I see or am attached to operators, the use the same old stuff guys used 10 years ago, minus ammo pouches. LOL, guys I think it all boils down to personal pref. Thanks allot! |
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I was'nt gonna jump in on this debate of the week thread, but I gotta tell ya. don't get wrapped in who's using what. Look at your mission and what each Optic brings to the table. Both are good. if you already have experience with your Issued Aimpoint, then I would stick with it. Battery life is a big plus. and you may not like the Fuzzy reticle that comes with an EOTech. it also may be to "Busy " for you . I thought it was cluttered. I like a simple round dot. PLace it on the spot you want you bullet to go and Press the trigger. Another thing you may not like is the 4 and 8 hour Auto shut off. it might not be a big deal, but it may shut off at the worst possible time. (you know how Murphy is) With an Aimpoint you can leave the sucker on for months without a problem. Just cause Delta uses something don't mean it's for you and your mission. My $.02. I like Aimpoint, always have. it's combat proven over a long period of time, Battery power is great, no Auto shut off feature and you can hit out to 300M if you do you part. plus you already get one issued, so if it goes Tit's up, you can get another one. Good luck |
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Thanks Harv, I appreciate the input. I think you done saved this under-payed SSG allot of money!have |
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I've seen numerous reliablity issues with the EO Techs (ie. going tit's up for no apparent reason).....Even seen a couple of them go tit's up on SWAT missions and it wasn't because of the battery. From what I've been told some of the older "electronical issues" have been fixed with the Rev F version. I have used both and prefer the Aimpoint. The choice is truely personal preference, I recommend them both. I have engaged targets in matches out to 300 yards with the ML2 without a problem. I don't like the controls on the EO Tech, especially with gloved hands, the reticle looks "pixelated" on the EO Tech, etc. But these are MY personal preferences. That being said if someone were to give me an EO Tech or I could pay for a Aimpoint (or visa versa), I would choose what was given free / issued every time. In reference to the "Look who's using the EO Tech" argument, as Harv already stated, just because "Delta" uses a piece of equipment doesn't mean that it's best suited for your mission requirement. I don't put a lot of faith in who is using what, especially in military circles. I'm NOT bashing anyone in anyway, shape, or form...Just reporting what I have experienced first hand: I've seen a lot of military guys and cops (guys that get issued gear) who choose their equipment based on "cool guy factor" or "the rest of the military / police department isn't issued this piece of gear, so it has to be better than what everyone else is issued" mentality. I had that same mentality when I was a grunt in the USMC, and over the last few years have gotten to talk to several guys in SOF units in different branches of the service, and to one extent or another have seen guys that are more concerned with "cool guy factor" than performance. Just because Unit X is using a piece of gear doesn't mean that it's the best thing out there or the best thing for your mission. Use what works for you based on your personal preference and mission statement. Take care and stay safe |
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I think sticking with what you have the most experience with would vastly outweigh any slight technological or optical advantage that any other platform might have. You've been to the sandbox twice and you're still alive -- don't mess with success. "Better" is the enemy of "good enough." |
+1 I really dig my EOtech, and if you were starting out from scracth not having owned either, I'd give it the nod in the CQT department (Aimpoint blows it away in the battery life department though). However, these sights are not so vastly different from each other in functionality that it's worth ditching the one you're accostomed to for the other (In my opinion). Whichever you take over there, I can say: Thanks and stay safe! |
| Thanks to all you gentlemen for helping me in my decision on purchasing a EOTech. I see now that most of you are right, I have always used a Aimpoint and have no complaints about it! I see now investing 400.00 in my own sight would be a waste of money! Thanks again gentlemen! 2 weeks to go and I am outta here!! Back to the sand box we go!! One more thing men, Thank you very much for the support you give us. Now that the news does not cover Iraq as much and I dont here people talk much about the troops in Iraq, we sometimes think people forget about us. Not me so much, but my joes sometimes. Well thats a whole nother topic. Again men, thanks for the help and support!hug.gif |
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It depends on the aimpoint. I would take an EO tech 554REV F over all but the M3 aimpoint. The Ml2 issued sight has battery life in the field of about 180hours actual. The EO is always going to win the accuracy and parralax debate as it is parralax free at zero range of 25meters as opposed to the aimpoint's 50yds or whatever. That means if your zero range is shorter than 50 you are not getting a perfect zero with an aimpoint. "Stick with the Aimpoint. I just purchased my fisrt EOTech for my duty rifle and I amd not happy with it. After all of the hype that I heard about it, I think that they are overrated after getting one mounted on my rifle. I kick myself for not saving for a while longer and getting an Aimpoint." HOW MUCH MORE? $10-$40 for the mount? That's a rediculous argument. My company had several aimpoints broken and half a dozen with badly scrathed lenses and ZERO EO techs with scaratched lenses or broken in 11 months in Iraq. The EO is superior hands down. |
Get a tacpoint  Eotech hands down. Why would you choose something that "the only thing it has going for it is the battery life..." Are AA batteries hard to come by? In SHTF if my eotech goes down there's a place for spare batts on my sling, and my vfg when I get my Tango down. I could even sacrifice my tv remote for eotech batts. Batteries are not even an arguement IMO, its not like the eotech shuts off during a firefight (even the hollywood bank robbery only lasted 44 minutes) 1000 hours seems like more then enough for me, especially having the ready availability of AAs. To me it's stupid to rely on optics or accessories that require batteries and if your depending on this rifle for the safety of your life or others, not bringing extra batteries with you. Also, always wear your BUIS! |
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Just a quick point on battery life. The EOTech Rev F 512/552 using Lithium AA's is rated at about 1100 hours on setting 12! That's up to 11,000 hours on setting one and who knows how many for the NVG settings. Basically, the 512/552 EOTech Rev F using Lithium AA"s have battery life that's pretty much on par with the Aimpoint ML2/M2. The Aimpoint M3 still kicks both their asses but as you can see battery life is not as much of an issue as it used to be. Also, the laser projection of the EOTech reticle will always use more power than the CET technology dot of the Aimpoint but I like the the EOTech reticle better and that is a fair trade for me. The best thing to do is to try both sights out and choose the one you can shoot better with! 
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| I have had both. Starting out with the Eotech 552 rev. F first. The first thing I noticed after mounting it on my KAC rail was that it was tilted to the left. Also the front sight was canted to the right. So sent my upper back to Bushmaster and then reinstalled the KAC rail and once again the 552 was still tilted to the left. Called Eotech and they were very kindly in sending another 552 for trade. The new one was still tilted to the left. I tried it on my other Bushmaster and it was still tilted to the left. Finally got a 3rd one and it still tilted to the left on both guns. So I gave up. Returned it for an Aimpoint M2 and havent had any problems with tilting since. My advice would be to try both and see how you like it. Eotech did say they had a bad batch go out with rails that were out of spec. I just got tired of trying to get one that fits flush on my rail. |
| I switched from eotech to aimpoint. The eotech seems too busy for me and I like the simple dot of the aimpoint for close combat. Mine is for LEO and I like to be able to see as much of the target as possible to identify if it's a "threat" and the single dot seems easier for me. If I was shooting at 100 yards or more the eotech did seem to work better simply because of the smaller dot. They are both excellent optics and well worth the money, it will all come down to your personal preferance. |
Exactly my situation. Except one thing, EOTech told me that they have yet to put out a bad product. Funny that they told you that they did?
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| HELL YEAH!!! That would bother me! LOL I am going to stick to my issue Comp2. We just recieved a new RFI issue of ACOGS and AIMPOINTS as well as a new M203 laser sight.. Well hopefully you will get a refund for that S%&$Y EOTech.hinking.gif |
I tried them both and prefer the aimpoint (but like them both). My biggest complaint about the EOtech (and maybe something can be adjusted to stop this) was that I had to adjust the brightness settings between bright and dark areas. If I set it up to look good in bright areas, it bloomed like crazy in dark ones, if I turned it down to work in dark areas, it was gone in bright ones. The aimpoint dot was visible in the dark and the light without fiddling with the brightness and without blooming. The blooming was bad enough it will totally occlude the field of fire and make finding the target difficult. Another weird thing for eyeglass wearers. My eyes are pretty good (20-30) without glasses but much better (20-10) with them. I tried the EOtech without glasses and the circle and dot were very fuzzy (at 6 inchs from my face??). The aimpoint didn't do this. I expected the target (50yds away) to be a little fuzzy, but not the reticle that was 6 inches in front of my face. bp |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - EO-Tech Versus Aimpoint M2 (Page 1 of 2)
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