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Posted: 5/11/2005 8:49:49 PM EDT
| I have been struggling with this question for a long time, and I always wuss out and keep the EOtech. For a defensive SHTF carbine, all purpose weapon, would I be better off with the ACOG or the EOtech?? What do you think. |
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The EoTech's are great I love them for CQB work. The ACOG are great all around scopes and were prices are for ACOGS right now is them item to buy one you can always get EoTech's at a good price but ACOGs will go up in price. I fell ACOGs are the best scope for AR15 I love them. www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board Mike at CS Gunworks is... |
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If you can get both get both but if you can't get the ACOG! You will love the ACOG. RKBAUseItorLoseIt what type of AR are you putting it on? www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board Mike at CS Gunworks is... |
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This is very much an apples to oranges comparison. They don't compete against each other at all. So it seems you are really asking: "Which would more impress everyone at the range, Eotech or ACOG?" If you have a need for both eyes open rapid target aquisition at close range, ACOG will not help you. If you have a need for intermediate to long range target aquisition, EoTech will not help you. They really are designed for 2 VERY different things. |
That was uncalled for... He asked what worked better for an "all purpose" optic, not "what looks cooler on an AR"
and you stole KevinB's sig line!  Personally, I just bought an ACOG (TA01) and although it's the bomb with the reticle and all, the eye relief is too short for me with the "rifle" stock and my SHORT neck. I think I'm going to try an EOTech next. OR Just get both |
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Might be uncalled for, but it's true. There is no "all purpose optic". You get magnification, which rules out open eyed quick target acquisition, or you get magnification for long range. It's impossible to get both. Actually the closest you can get is the Leupold CQT, but even that optic has 1.1x magnification at it's lowest level so if you attempt to use it for CQB with both eyes open, it gives you a headache. That's what I have on one rifle and I have tried both eyes open for CQB and it just hurts your eyes. So it might have sounded mean, but it's true. There is no all purpose optic. You want close up quick target acquisition or you want intermediate to long range. You can't have both. The 3x magnifier for the Aimpoint is an interesting attempt to have both, watching that to see what people think of it in actual use. |
I did, and I think it was worth it. |
Your wrong you can have both!!! I have been doing it better and faster for 3 months now with the 3x Mag behind my Aimpoints and EOtechs. I also have three Acogs and the 3X just does it better and gives you more options. Larger FOV, Larger exit pupil, long range and room distance ability in one nice trim package. So yes it has been done and your behind the times.  |
Sure you can. The ACOGs BAC works very, very well for a great many people. Myself among them. The Aimpoints and EoTechs are easier, but both eye open speed shooting is surely possible with BAC ACOGs. Eotech will add to your ability to shoot quickly and at targets at mid to close range. ACOG will agg to your ability to shoot at targets at most any range. |
NAG your just so cool. Man you can say it so smooth its awesome. Me, its like poking someone with a stick it hurts when I say it. Just smooth man, its like warm butter.
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| This is for what used to be a colt MT6731. It is a 16 inch HBar. Now it has a phantom attached (at least it will when the upper comes back from ADCO). Right now I am running an EOtech behind a GG&G MAD BUIS, but it is getting replaced with an LMT shortly (when it arrives). I use a Vltor stock and an M-6 streamlight mounted on standard car handgaurds. A few other minor modifications as well. |
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I think Zak-Smith captured the essence of the ACOG/Red Dot trade off very well; and I will do my my best to quote him here (with advance apologies for mutilating his exact wording): The ACOG excells at mid-distance work and (at the least the TA11/31 series) does pretty darned good at CQB distances. The red dots excell at CQB distances and can do pretty darned well at mid-distances. In my opinion (and I have a few of both types), the advantage the ACOG holds over the red-dots at mid-distance is significantly greater than the advantage the red-dots hold over the ACOG at near distances. This is particularly true when target identification becomes an issue. Yes, I know. Some guys can shoot terrific scores with unmagnified (to include iron) sights at 500 yards. however, the practice of putting a hole in the center of a starkly defined square target at 500 yeards has little if anything to do with putting a hole in an ill-defined lump, 80% of which is obscured by a bush, at 300 yards. If I knew for a fact in advance that I was going to be facing a house-clearing problem, I would certainly go with an Aimpoint or an EOgizmo. However, the term "general purpose" would seem to imply that YOU DON'T KNOW what kind of a situation you are going to face. That having been said, if I were going into an unknown problem, I'd definitely take a TA-11 or TA-31; with an aimpoint or EOgizmo in my pocket in case I were forced to go inside a building. (LaRue QD mounts are a wonderful thing and proof positive that God favors Americans.) The magnifiers recently made available for the red-dots may significantly alter the very nature of the trade-offs involved. I currently remain however, unconvinced of the field-durability of these units. Mis dos centavos. SD |
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Neither. Save your money and get a new bedspread first! Seriously, I just picked up a TA31A from ADCO and couldn't be happier with it. Worth every penny in my opinion. I have shot TA11F's and I have a TA47-2 on my M4 at work so I was a little leary of the shorter eye relief of the TA31 series, but I like the wider FOV the TA31's offer. Your best bet is to actually shoot at CQB distances and the max range you will be using your rifle at with both red dot sights and a magnified optic. If your vision sucks like mine does, the ACOG is a godsend. |
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It all depends what you envision yor primary purpose. I have a TA31 and a few Aimpoints and EO's. In close <25m my times go up with the TA31 (I should propably point shoot). I have an EO on my 10.5 - for my 16 middy I have the TA31. I fully agree with NAG in that the BAC ACOG's do shooting very well - however you have to practice A LOT with anything to recognise the advantages given. If your shooting a few hundred rounds a week or more you will start to get the advantages from these systems - if your not, your not going to see the full benifits of either RDS or ACOG. I dont really think a 'lone actor' SHTF scenario as viable in the long run - and if your just run n' gunning to meet up with your 'collective' the RDS might be a better setup - a true mix of systems in required for the full spectrum. |
Kevin is absoultely correct. I fully agree with the point of practice practice and practice. buy ammo, take classes find out about your gun, you will amazed at what you can do with a red dot. I regularly hit steel torso targets out to 300 with my M4 using EOs. find out all you can in regards to your gun's performance and you will be way ahead of the curve. I for one if had only one choice, I take the ACOG TA31. I have some problem with my EO hooked up to the Aimpoint magnifier, it is not as accurate as i want out to 300. but Boom has a great point, the magnifier is probably my ultimate choice once the accuracy is improved. |
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