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Posted: 12/4/2004 3:27:33 PM EDT
anyone know if there is a kill flash type device for the eotech thanks
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i have read alot of threads about muzzle signature of the eothingy or seeing the reticle through the muzzle side. try searching about it maybe you can still find them. my aimpoint has a killflash but i dont think it needs it cause i have never seen any dots through the muzzle side  |
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1. There is no downrange reticle signature with the EoTech 2. Anti-Reflection Devices (ARD's) like the KillFlash are designed to eliminate reflections from the front lens element of the sighting system, or the front of the EoTech. 3. I know of no ARD for the EoTech, but you could simply put some Sniper Veil material on the front of the EoTech to eliminate reflections. Just my 2 yen |
It's apparent you don't like the "EOThingy", so why are you posting here other than to start trouble? |
i have read many threads about the matter and am just relating them. i have nothing against the eothing. and at times considered buying one even recommended a friend to get one  no flames or trouble meant 
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| At all normal settings you will not find any front sight signature. At the highest settings, which are almost never used, you may find stray light coming from the edges only during absolute darkness. For what range the EOtechs and Aimpoints are used at, the kill flash is un-needed. |
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I'm not so much concerned about the reticle being visible from the business end. There's a big old piece of shiny glass up front that can reflect light that I'm worried about. That reflection is my concern. Something like this but to fit an eotech is what I would like to see manufactured. 
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you can only see a muzzle side signature if you have the brightness up too high... they don't make a killflash for the eotech... it's supposed to be non reflective that being said it does reflect a bit.... the sniper veil idea sounds good.... some sniper veil and 100mph tape would work out well.... mabye i'll try that and post a pic or two.... i'll let you guys know how much it cuts down visibility....but i like the idea... -Roth |
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You know what'd work real good as an improvised but serviceable ARD for your EO-Tech or Aimpoint? Just get a pair of panty hose that your wife, girlfriend, or fuck-buddy (or whoever in your life wears them) has given up on and is about to toss in the trash. Cut a piece out of them and stretch it over the objective end of your optic. You'll need to stretch it enough to be able to see through it fairly well. Use some tape to hold it place. You could also use a black magic marker to color the nylon to cut down glare just a bit more. Or leave it "as is" for that "coyote brown" color...  Kinda cheap and low-rent, but it'll work in a pinch... 
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Then you haven't looked alot. Turn it up high in a dim/dark room. Then look at it muzzle side - you CAN see the reticule (but you have to be directly in the crosshairs so to speak). There is also the red backsplash that covers your face... If you turn the sight down too much (to avoid these issues) then you have the possiblity of washing out the reticule with your Surefire. |
Damn straight you are. The Surefire only comes on when you need to ID the target. I sure as shit don't want to give myself away with a red glow BEFORE I've even found a potential target. Geez some of you need to get off the computers and out into class.. |
Does being active duty US Army count as a "class" for these purposes?  Or do I have to take time off from a pogue civilian job and pay someone to teach me something for it to count?  Seriously, the muzzle side signature from the EOTech is so weak, that is pretty much has to be pitch black with no ambient light at very close distance to notice. I've turned out the lights and looked for it and had problems seeing anything. I recognize the use of ARDs on sniper platforms, and having the absolute need for stealth and low visibility against counter-sniper activities/observation. I also have found that the main benefit of using an ARD on an Aimpoint is to slightly darken the view through the optics to increase contrast between the dot and target on bright Hawaiian days in the field. Aimpoints and EOTechs are usually employed on weapons that are attached to people where absolute stealth is not their main objective, in other words, people will notice the 200-300lbs of soldier and associated gear before they notice the slight muzzle side signature or light projected onto a face. Edit for badd speeling...
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| Unless you have SureFire's opaque blackout cover installed and flipped shut, I think you have more to worry about (crystal-smooth flashlight lens with mirrored reflector behind it) than whether or not ambient light is reflecting off of your non-reflective EoTech window. |
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Actually no it doesn't unless you're Special Forces. The Army is really weak on training with lights and such - probably why they send their guys to the 'civilian' schools to get the 'latest and greatest'.
Try doing it with your eyes adjusted to the dark - then it's a whole different ballgame. Then after looking at the sight - have a buddy point the rifle around the room with you as the 'potential tango'. Watch the red glow wash over his face. First time I found out about it was when my training partner commented on it during a night/low light class. Even Abdul could see that comming down the block in Bahgdad. |
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There is definitely forward-side signature on the EOTech, even at reasonably low reticle brightness settings. It's more apparent when it's totally dark, but the frosted upper part of the window glows diffusely, and laser "glint" can be seen at angles of 45 degrees and above. With a low ready hold, this is perfectly plausible occurrence.. At higher settings, the entire lens lights up. I think there ought to be a Honeycomb device for the EOTech, but not for anti-reflection purposes. The EOTech coatings are very very good, and don't really need the reflection-killing aspect. A forward-signature killer needs to be offered by someone.. |
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